Barchi strikes again

[IL Lusciato]

Maybe it has nothing to do with negotiating or barchi or RU and Hurley just doesn't want to be here. Like last time.

Either way, unless we get a decent guy, this whole firing of Eddie was a bad move. Still like Hobbs but he underestimated how bad RU hoops really is based on perception.

 

[OldManRiver]

I would milk it too if I were him. RU is in a position of weakness, so much so they are going to hire jay williams. Hurley is leaving a team on the cusp of a NCAA bid, many national media guys think he would be crazy to go to this job.

Then I don't want him...we already had a crazy coach in Rice...and w know how that turned out.

But, on a serious note....I think we will be making a serious mistake if hire Hurley without looking at ANY of the coaches that STILL coaching their teams in the Tourney...which is ironic, we are looking at guys that aren't playing in the dance....which we aspire to participate in.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

But, on a serious note....I think we will be making a serious mistake if hire Hurley without looking at ANY of the coaches that STILL coaching their teams in the Tourney...which is ironic, we are looking at guys that aren't playing in the dance....which we aspire to participate in.

Right? If we will pay Hurley $2M.. lets see how far $2M gets us with guys in the big dance. Any coaches there of "lesser" programs (and clearly not the FDU guy who just got trounced in the 1st 4).. any of them with Jersey ties? And lets consider BAC's thinking and look to see who we could get if we found another $1M a year somewhere.. present all the options...

here's a story ranking the 68 tourney coaches as players.. maybe the names will ring a bell for some here and could tell who has jersey connections and might be interested

linky

The Hawaii coach is from Philly.. leave Hawaii for Jersey?

55. Eran Ganot, Hawaii Rainbow Warriors -- Ganot was a four-year letterman at Division III Swarthmore in suburban Philadelphia from 1999 to 2003. He was twice named team captain and played all five positions for the Garnet, averaging 2.5 points and 3.8 rebounds per game in his senior season of 2002-03.

 

[Mr Magoo]

Maybe it has nothing to do with negotiating or barchi or RU and Hurley just doesn't want to be here. Like last time.

Either way, unless we get a decent guy, this whole firing of Eddie was a bad move. Still like Hobbs but he underestimated how bad RU hoops really is based on perception.

In no way was it a mistake firing Jordan. He was the worst college coach I have seen and we were going backwards with him...if that is even possible.

 

[OldManRiver]

Right? If we will pay Hurley $2M.. lets see how far $2M gets us with guys in the big dance. Any coaches there of "lesser" programs (and clearly not the FDU guy who just got trounced in the 1st 4).. any of them with Jersey ties? And lets consider BAC's thinking and look to see who we could get if we found another $1M a year somewhere.. present all the options...

here's a story ranking the 68 tourney coaches as players.. maybe the names will ring a bell for some here and could tell who has jersey connections and might be interested

That's exactly why I don't believe this $2M/yr offered.
We can get SO MUCH better for that amount from the 64 staff's that are still coaching.
If Hobbs doesn't explore that pool of coaches....I think Hobbs should be fired.

 

[seels2662]

I have made it very clear that I want no part of Hurley. But if you want him quibbiling over $500K a year when we are in the state we are in with this program is almost comical. We are lucky that we are getting away with only $2M a year with him. We are going to overpay for whatever coach we get.

 

[17Q66]

Just read the APP piece.

Calling these problems "Barchi's problems" -- as opposed to Rutgers's endemic problems -- shows a fundamental lack of familiarity with Rutgers's history, both recent and long-term.

 

[bac2therac]

That's exactly why I don't believe this $2M/yr offered.
We can get SO MUCH better for that amount from the 64 staff's that are still coaching.
If Hobbs doesn't explore that pool of coaches....I think Hobbs should be fired.

Give names...and Miller and Mack are not coming here

 

[PaKnight]

That's exactly why I don't believe this $2M/yr offered.
We can get SO MUCH better for that amount from the 64 staff's that are still coaching.
If Hobbs doesn't explore that pool of coaches....I think Hobbs should be fired.

Who says he hasn't explored other coaches?

 

[MADHAT1]

I don't buy Carino's story. There's nothing in it that is new or wasn't known when Eddie Jordan was fired and Hurley and others expressed interest in the job. And Hobbs is not Herman.

It seems like someone if feeding the press stories to make RU panic and give in to all his demands , instead of negotiating the best deal they can and still get Danny to accept.
Bringing in firing Eddie after 3 years makes me think that a fear of bad PR by not giving Hurley what he wants to become the next RU HC push is being used to get Danny what he wants .
Jordan's firing is just a smokescreen to make RU look bad for doing it and be used to make the RU HCing job look like no decent HC would take it and give Danny more leverage.

Also, is there a minority rule that you must interview minority candidates when searching for HC's ?
If so, Williams' interview might fit that category

 

[OldManRiver]

Who says he hasn't explored other coaches?

I don't know.
I'm just looking at what is being played out in the media (via agents)...They make it sound like RU is on the clock to make Hurley the next coach....or we won't get anyone else to come here.

 

[SAE96]

Some of you guys remind me of the Die Hard character who thought he was an expert at negotiating, until he got his head blown off.

This is a negotiation. This may go on for days. Everything we're reading is speculation that people are running with as fact. We're crucifying Barchi for being cheap, Hobbs for not reading the market, and alums for not donating. Slow down, we have no idea if these stories or Twitter posts are true.

This is a prestigious position, a D1 P5 basketball coach. Both sides want the best deal possible. These agreements don't happen overnight. Give it some time to play out.

We've been terrible for so long, that the one thing that I've thought this fan base would have learned by now is patience.

If you trust Hobbs, then let the man do his job. Judge the hiring after its completed, before you throw everyone, who has the university's best interests, under the bus.

 

[bac2therac]

I dont recall anyone other than Fred Hill being considered when Waters was canned

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

6yrs at 2mm per? For Danny Hurley???

Just hire Jay Williams for 250k and give Ash an extra 1mm per year to use as bag money.

It's ridiculous to pay a basketball coach more than your football coach...this is not Duke, UNC ôr Kentucky.

 

[jtung230]

It's ridiculous to pay a basketball coach more than your football coach...this is not Duke, UNC ôr Kentucky.

Have a little faith in the guy. Hobbs is not that stupid.

 

[MoobyCow]

It's ridiculous to pay a basketball coach more than your football coach...this is not Duke, UNC ôr Kentucky.

We're either overpaying for a mediocre coach or paying a lower amount for a guy who is vastly under-qualified to be a HC at this level. When you run a program into the ground you aren't exactly spoiled for options on market rate coaches.

 

[Rusty_Screw_88]

I just do not see much mention of guys like Will Brown being considered...... It is curious to me that coaches in the region who have had success are not being pushed harder...

 

[srru86]

This is a negotiation. This may go on for days. These agreements don't happen overnight. Give it some time to play out.

We've been terrible for so long, that the one thing that I've thought this fan base would have learned by now is patience.

If you trust Hobbs, then let the man do his job. Judge the hiring after its completed, before you throw everyone, who has the university's best interests, under the bus.

All good points

Everything we're reading is speculation that people are running with as fact. ...alums for not donating.

Minor quibble but this is not speculation.

We're way behind our competitors on alumni support, particularly for hoops. Nearly everyone has already built a team/practice center at least as nice, and in many cases better, than what we we only have a plan for. Most did it solely with donor support.

The cheapskate's lament of "If they won I'd donate" is tired. When the same guys who decry the lack of investment in the program talk about how they can avoid paying for parking, sneak food and drink into the facility to avoid paying for concessions, and bemoan ticket prices, well, it doesn't help the cause.

Plenty of programs with mediocre success have built very nice facilities with fan support.

And if you think facilities is not the problem, but the right coach can fix everything, well somebody has to pay for that also.

 

[wheezer]

I dont recall anyone other than Fred Hill being considered when Waters was canned

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Agreed..... RU was deathly afraid that SHU would beat us for Fred, so we moved quickly.....

That said, it is interesting how many times RU and the Hall were looking for a new head coach at the same time....

Not this year.

 

[chrisru99]

i'll ask again has EVERYONE given to the build fund???

Cheap fan base both fans and alums. This is a fact as a whole we suck but we are really good at complaining and saying who should or not coach our teams. This is not opinion it's info that's out that shows what I said to be true. I'd bet a healthy amount that most on both boards have not donated. Some have but not the majority.

 

[chrisru99]

All good points


Minor quibble but this is not speculation.

We're way behind our competitors on alumni support, particularly for hoops. Nearly everyone has already built a team/practice center at least as nice, and in many cases better, than what we we only have a plan for. Most did it solely with donor support.

The cheapskate's lament of "If they won I'd donate" is tired. When the same guys who decry the lack of investment in the program talk about how they can avoid paying for parking, sneak food and drink into the facility to avoid paying for concessions, and bemoan ticket prices, well, it doesn't help the cause.

Plenty of programs with mediocre success have built very nice facilities with fan support.

And if you think facilities is not the problem, but the right coach can fix everything, well somebody has to pay for that also.

Preach brother

 

[SAE96]

All good points


Minor quibble but this is not speculation.

We're way behind our competitors on alumni support, particularly for hoops. Nearly everyone has already built a team/practice center at least as nice, and in many cases better, than what we we only have a plan for. Most did it solely with donor support.

The cheapskate's lament of "If they won I'd donate" is tired. When the same guys who decry the lack of investment in the program talk about how they can avoid paying for parking, sneak food and drink into the facility to avoid paying for concessions, and bemoan ticket prices, well, it doesn't help the cause.

Plenty of programs with mediocre success have built very nice facilities with fan support.

And if you think facilities is not the problem, but the right coach can fix everything, well somebody has to pay for that also.

I think you'll find large donor support to be there regarding this new hiring and the practice facility. I agree it's not the level of our B1G piers, but the school hasn't been in this position before. Everyone is learning what it takes to compete in a top tier conference, that includes alumni.

A large donor based needs to be cultivated something RU was both inept and ignorant of in the past. This has changed as well. However, we won't see all the fruits of their current labor for several years. Just like building the basketball program will take time, so will developing a large donor base.

 

[Scarlet Pride]

We're either overpaying for a mediocre coach or paying a lower amount for a guy who is vastly under-qualified to be a HC at this level. When you run a program into the ground you aren't exactly spoiled for options on market rate coaches.

No reason to overpay for a mediocre coach. If Hurley isn't going to be worth the 2 million at some point don't hire him. I'm not saying he is or isn't going to be worth it - my point is that you could hire someone like Pickiel or Masiello for less than 2 million. I'm sure they would be at least mediocre. So the only reason you pay Hurley (or any coach) 2 million is because you think you are going to get that much value out of him or at least be getting an above average coach.

 

[MoobyCow]

No reason to overpay for a mediocre coach. If Hurley isn't going to be worth the 2 million at some point don't hire him. I'm not saying he is or isn't going to be worth it - my point is that you could hire someone like Pickiel or Masiello for less than 2 million. I'm sure they would be at least mediocre. So the only reason you pay Hurley (or any coach) 2 million is because you think you are going to get that much value out of him or at least be getting an above average coach.

I don't think they come here for the same salary they would to another school for either. So, we either overpay them or we overpay Hurley (maybe by not as much, who knows).

At the end of the day RU will make much more money paying $2m for a coach who is average (and gets average results) than they will for paying $1m for another coach who flames out, so the calculation is which of those guys you think is most likely to be at least OK. Then you pay that guy what you need to pay him in order to get him to take the job.

 

[Rhuarc]

How in the heck don't we have enough $ to build the practice facility with the $25M tax credit? Isn't $35M or so enough to at least break ground on it?[/QUOTE]


Rutgers does things ass backwards. However, if we do it the right way and borrow against future earnings, the media and its followers will slam us mercilessly.

Essentially, we can't win no matter what we do.[/QUOTE]

A true leader who was 100% supportive of the benefits of B1G sports, would realize that borrowing the money would be the smart move right now. With interest rates low and Rutgers having good credit and debt ratio, we'd most likely get a good deal. Then we wouldn't have to overpay coaches by 2-3 million over the course of a 6 year contract. Heck, that money could be used to pay down the debt quicker.

A big one time investment is all we need to get competitive. Then we can rely on donations going forward. Besides, the media shats all over us right now anyway, who cares if they do it over borrowing to save money in the long run?

Anyway, I feel that a true supporter would be able to spin a logical reason why this investment is necessary. Lesniak did and Barchi could do it to if he wanted to.

 

[Scarlet Pride]

Yes I think we are going to overpay but my point is you don't need to overpay for mediocrity.

 

[MoobyCow]

Yes I think we are going to overpay but my point is you don't need to overpay for mediocrity.

I guess I don't see the distinction. They are all mediocre candidates, and we'll have to overpay to get any one of them.