Because this is Rutgers, here is what will happen

[Caliknight]

Flood has been publically humiliated and left out to dry. A 3 game suspension for contacting a professor is apparently worse than having your school make up fake classes- I am impressed with you, UNC!

Now that he has been neutered and the program officially on the ropes, they won't relieve him of his duties. They will keep him right where he is. You have to be a special kind of moron to make these moves.

This is the Rutgers way. This guarantees Flood as HC in 16.

 

[zappaa]

He should have gone unpunished?
He took those actions to help a kid he should have known was being investigated for assault?

 

[Caliknight]

He should have gone unpunished?

Slap on the wrist, don't do it again or you will be in trouble. Is this a pattern with him?

No real school interested in winning would react like this. It is why the win and we don't.

A real coach from an accomplished school coming here? Lol..

 

[zappaa]

Cali-
You are doing more damage than good now.
Circle the wagons and support the decision, the suspension and root for Wilson.
If you're mad about Flood, be happy he wasnt fired,, after all that's gone on the past month he should be ecstatic he still has a job

 

[Alamo Al]

Zap. This is just more fodder for opposing coaches to grab more of our targeted recruits. We'll see what happens with the ones we have. This could set the program back even further.

 

[Knightmoves]

Slap on the wrist, don't do it again or you will be in trouble. Is this a pattern with him?

No real school interested in winning would react like this. It is why the win and we don't.

A real coach from an accomplished school coming here? Lol..

A formal reprimand and a fine would have served the purpose better than the 3 game suspension in the long run. The last 3 game suspension for Mike Rice ended up in his termination after the season. this one is likely to have the same result.

 

[zappaa]

Zap. This is just more fodder for opposing coaches to grab more of our targeted recruits. We'll see what happens with the ones we have. This could set the program back even further.

The school took appropriate actions after the findings. Hiding it, covering it up, or a slap on the wrist sends the wrong message and ultimately would be worse for the program.

 

[BrunswickBob]

Shocking to me, in aggregate, what a hypocritical fan base we have. When others err, and largely ignore the infractions, we puff our chest out about our moral superiority. When we err, they hold up these other schools as the model we should emulate. Weak.

 

[RU#1fan]

Zap. This is just more fodder for opposing coaches to grab more of our targeted recruits. We'll see what happens with the ones we have. This could set the program back even further.

Flood wasn't getting any of the talented NJ recruits anyway .....his track record is horrific.
He should be gone by the end of the season at the latest.

 

[zappaa]

Flood wasn't getting any of the talented NJ recruits anyway .....his track record is horrific.
He should be gone by the end of the season at the latest.

I'm not going to make this judgement yet, I'm going to let the season play out first and see where we are.

 

[Alamo Al]

The school took appropriate actions after the findings. Hiding it, covering it up, or a slap on the wrist sends the wrong message and ultimately would be worse for the program.

I guess I didn't make myself clear. After learning of the real circumstance of the email situation AND in connection with the rest of the problems, including more arrests, it's time to clean house. Opposing programs will make really good use of this. Problem is, who would want to come to RU that is an established successful coach.

 

[Caliknight]

Cali-
You are doing more damage than good now.
Circle the wagons and support the decision, the suspension and root for Wilson.
If you're mad about Flood, be happy he wasnt fired,, after all that's gone on the past month he should be ecstatic he still has a job

Lol, let's see Rutgers circle the wagons first. Then the fans. The oopsite is happening here.


Question- who was the last coach to get a three game suspension and why?

 

[megadrone]

I'm not going to make this judgement yet, I'm going to let the season play out first and see where we are.

This is speculation on my part, but if Flood does come back from the suspension, and goes 6-6 or 7-5, does he stay then?

We'd have a winning coach with a policy violation and disciplinary problems. We've had few winning coaches since Burns. What do you do then?

 

[ru8081]

Until the Rutgers Administration and the NJ Legislature and Governor own up the fact of What It Takes to run a Power 5 football program, nothing will change. It is beyond comprehension why this State's so called business leaders cannot understand that you do not put unqualified people in positions that require higher paid employees. Would they hire people with middle manager experience to sit on their Boards? Hell no! This is the root cause of this problem, the solution of paying for qualified people should be drilled into the heads of the RU administration and the NJ government!

 

[seels2662]

Zappa is right, best case scenario for us is that this blows over and we continue with 6 win seasons for the next 3-5 years. Any other scenario, including cleaning house, sets us back for a long time.

 

[retired711]

Coach Flood says he didn't know of the no-contact rule. But he himself says he used his personal e-mail account to contact the professor because he didn't want a record, and that he met with the professor far off campus and without wearing any Rutgers gear. That suggests that he knew that what he was doing was shady. So he's lucky Barchi didn't fire him on the spot.

 

[c_husk]

Coach Flood says he didn't know of the no-contact rule. But he himself says he used his personal e-mail account to contact the professor because he didn't want a record, and that he met with the professor far off campus and without wearing any Rutgers gear. That suggests that he knew that what he was doing was shady. So he's lucky Barchi didn't fire him on the spot.

Nobody else in the state would recognize him without the Rutgers Gear on. Makes sense.

 

[ru8081]

Let me just state I like Coach Flood. But look at his experience before being named HC. Not one appointment to HC ANYWHERE! Why didn't UDEL hire him as HC? You have to question Why would Rutgers, at the time in a BCS conference, hire someone with NO Head Coaching experience anywhere??

1993–1994 St. Francis (NY) Prep (OL/DL)
1995–1996 C. W. Post (OL)
1997–2001 Hofstra (OL)
2002–2004 Delaware (AHC/OL)
2005–2006 Rutgers (OL)
2007 Rutgers (RGC/OL)
2008 Rutgers (AHC/OL)
2009-2010 Rutgers (AHC/Co-OC/OL)
2011 Rutgers (AHC/OL)
2012–present Rutgers

 

[KnightsofChrome]

This is speculation on my part, but if Flood does come back from the suspension, and goes 6-6 or 7-5, does he stay then?

We'd have a winning coach with a policy violation and disciplinary problems. We've had few winning coaches since Burns. What do you do then?

Polini was fired from Wisconsin last year, with a better record, and no real controversy in his program. Flood should stay, because he is of high character......opps, nevermind.
Mega, this is not about the record, it's about Rutgers University!

 

[KnightsofChrome]

Nobody else in the state would recognize him without the Rutgers Gear on. Makes sense.

To him, apparently. And, yet another reason to question his decision making abilities!

 

[ClassOf02]

Until the Rutgers Administration and the NJ Legislature and Governor own up the fact of What It Takes to run a Power 5 football program, nothing will change. It is beyond comprehension why this State's so called business leaders cannot understand that you do not put unqualified people in positions that require higher paid employees. Would they hire people with middle manager experience to sit on their Boards? Hell no! This is the root cause of this problem, the solution of paying for qualified people should be drilled into the heads of the RU administration and the NJ government!

Exactly this. Just think how much negative publicity Rutgers has suffered over the last few years that potentially could have been avoided with different hires and a larger checkbook. Not saying it definitely would have been the case, but someone somewhere needs to be doing that analysis.

 

[dicemen99]

It boggles my mind that there are people on here who still want Flood around. Seriously, there really isn't an argument about:

1) The guy showed, at best, an incredible level of incompetence in the emailgate incident. At best. At worst it is valid to impugn his integrity. Throw in the fact that this was done in support of a player he knew was being investigated in another matter, wow.

2) Call them anomalies all you want, but the fact of the matter is there have been serious transgressions committed by multiple people associated over a short period of time. Serious, serious transgressions. Throw it on the players all you want, but it speaks to a lack of control or oversight. The players may love him, but they certainly don't fear and respect him.

3) Sloppy play on the field can certainly be explained away in a vacuum, but in the context of everything else it just points to another example of lack of discipline.

4) Any way you slice it, when you look at the picture as a whole - there are a bunch of inconsistencies in his statements and actions. Some may explain it away as good intentioned mistakes made by an inexperienced coach. There is certainly another way of looking at this - especially in light of everything going on. To me it smacks of desperation.

The guy is feeling his way and has been for a long time - even his supporters have acknowledged that he needs growth. The consequences of this are clearly seen now.

Some of you dismiss what I say because I am a PSU fan. Well, I'm a RU grad and proud of my university also. I'd like to see RU do well on the field (some of you can't grasp that concept, but I'll leave that for another day), but I'm always skeptical this is going to happen given my experiences with RU sports. If I didn't want RU football to get better, I would root for Flood to stay on as long as possible. Yes, there are other barriers to athletic success at RU, but he IS one of them. Keeping a guy on as HEAD COACH of the MOST VISIBLE PROGRAM at the university, because he seems like a good guy is not good practice.

 

[Caliknight]

Then fire him. But they don't have the balls for that either.

 

[dicemen99]

Then fire him. But they don't have the balls for that either.

Yes, he should be fired. Hopefully, this will happen sometime over the next couple weeks like it would at a university that knows how to handle situations like this, but I'm starting to question whether that will happen.

 

[chrisru99]

I think it is the lack of money to spend keeps him here.

 

[Caliknight]

It won't happen. It's Rutgers. If there is a poor way to handle a situation, that's what they will do.

 

[dicemen99]

It won't happen. It's Rutgers. If there is a poor way to handle a situation, that's what they will do.

Yeah, I tend to agree. That's why yesterday, I posted this as an informational for the RU administration:

 

[Caliknight]

Yeah, I tend to agree. That's why yesterday, I posted this as an informational for the RU administration:

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Good advice. Barchi can't work a computer though, so unlikely he will see it.

 

[KnightsofChrome]

Public opinion will go a long way with the final disposition of Mr. Flood. The sentiment here alone on this RU board, has gone from supportive to, surprise he has not been fired. Rutgers will measure the plus and minus to the final decision, then act. This is not over, not by a long shot. And my guess, Flood is gone.

A win on Saturday will go a long way to righting the ship. But Flood. I'm afraid his future is set.

 

[WJLeggett]

Let's put aside for a minute what you consider the severity of the actions Flood took. Do we really want someone this dumb running our football program?

 

[mdh2003]

It won't happen. It's Rutgers. If there is a poor way to handle a situation, that's what they will do.

Cali - don't always agree with your posts, but every single point in this thread is spot on. If I could have liked the above twice I would have.

 

[Caliknight]

Let's put aside for a minute what you consider the severity of the actions Flood took. Do we really want someone this dumb running our football program?

Then fire him. But Barchi Co. doesn't have the balls.

This suspension is the worst decision they could make. Hurts the program and does no good, but hey, it covers their asses.

Mission accomplished.

 

[RU31trap]

What Coach Flood did at Rutgers would not have been news at most other schools like LSU, Alabama, USC or OSU. It would have been handled behind closed doors with no suspension or fines.

 

[Caliknight]

What call you'll flood did at Rutgers would not have been news at LSU, Alabama, USC or OSU. It would have been handled behind closed doors with no suspension or fines.

Most any school not named Rutgers would have handled this much, much differently.

We lead the nation in self investigations and suspensions of coaches.

This is sure to attract the best and brightest!

 

[needmorecowbell]

Most any school not named Rutgers would have handled this much, much differently.

We lead the nation in self investigations and suspensions of coaches.

This is sure to attract the best and brightest!

You are 100% accurate Cali. Other schools understand that they need to what best for the school first. At rutgers the admins are too busy covering their asses to realize how they are hurting the perception of the university.

 

[derleider]

Flood has been publically humiliated and left out to dry. A 3 game suspension for contacting a professor is apparently worse than having your school make up fake classes- I am impressed with you, UNC!

Now that he has been neutered and the program officially on the ropes, they won't relieve him of his duties. They will keep him right where he is. You have to be a special kind of moron to make these moves.

This is the Rutgers way. This guarantees Flood as HC in 16.

So your take is basiscally, RU should either have fired him or basically covered the whole thing up? NO in between? Regardless of the seriousness of the infraction?

Also - people STILL think that athletics scandals have ANY impact on academics. PSU ROSE In US News after they had about the worst imaginably scandal. UNC isnt dropping at all, despite theres actually INVOLVING academics. So take heart - RU's relativity poor academic standings is not related to athletics, merely to RUs complete lack of money.

I mean if athletics did impact the school, wouldnt the fact that the school takes it serious enough to suspend a coach over the mere appearance of impropriety be a much better way to attract students then covering up and sweeping stuff under the rug?

Those schools arent doing what best for the school. They are doing whats best for their atheltic programs, recognizing that my first paragraph is ttrue - ahtletics main help for the school is that it can make money - scandals or not.

 

[Kbee3]

Most any school not named Rutgers would have handled this much, much differently.

We lead the nation in self investigations and suspensions of coaches.

This is sure to attract the best and brightest!

Does anyone here really think that Nick Saban or Urban Meyer would be contacting a teacher about a player's grade or sending that stupid E-mail or meeting them off campus for a chat about extra credit ? Or correcting the grammar on a player's paper ? Incredibly small-time stuff by Flood. I think he needs to move on.

 

[Caliknight]

So your take is basiscally, RU should either have fired him or basically covered the whole thing up? NO in between? Regardless of the seriousness of the infraction?

Also - people STILL think that athletics scandals have ANY impact on academics. PSU ROSE In US News after they had about the worst imaginably scandal. UNC isnt dropping at all, despite theres actually INVOLVING academics. So take heart - RU's relativity poor academic standings is not related to athletics, merely to RUs complete lack of money.

I mean if athletics did impact the school, wouldnt the fact that the school takes it serious enough to suspend a coach over the mere appearance of impropriety be a much better way to attract students then covering up and sweeping stuff under the rug?

Those schools arent doing what best for the school. They are doing whats best for their atheltic programs, recognizing that my first paragraph is ttrue - ahtletics main help for the school is that it can make money - scandals or not.

I never said cover it up. Those are your words. A healthy fine and warning would be more than sufficient in getting the point across.

But Rutgers doesn't do things that are actually good for the school. They do things that are politically expedient while saving their asses. The press owns them, full stop.

Good luck winning with that culture.

Does anyone here really think that Nick Saban or Urban Meyer would be contacting a teacher about a player's grade or sending that stupid E-mail or meeting them off campus for a chat about extra credit ? Or correcting the grammar on a player's paper ? Incredibly small-time stuff by Flood. I think he needs to move on.

No. Professors at those schools know the deal. Sagan couldn't care less about a kids academics, because he doesn't have to. It's why he is at a school like Alabama.

 

[retired711]

Unlike Caliknight, I lack the discernment to figure out why a fine and reprimand would be OK and a suspension and fine is not. Frankly I think Barchi should have fired Flood. If the price of athletic success is that coaches will intervene with faculty about athletes' grades, then, so far as I'm concerned, that price is too high. I think athletics is a great activity, but really there have to be some limits in how much athletics will run what is supposed to be an educational institution.

 

[Caliknight]

It sends a bad message to further coaches and brings more negative attention on the school to suspend him.

If most here think he should be fired, then you are all agreeing with me. The administration has no balls.