Bengals meltdown in last minute
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You're right, but the refs missed an earlier personal foul call when the Bengals receiver was knocked out by the Pitt DB clearly leading with the crown of his helmet while making the tackle. Not to excuse the Bengals' utter meltdown at the the of the game (though I'm not crazy about the final penalty on Pacman and think there's more to the story), but it was the earlier non-call that I think elevated the players' chippiness to an uncontrollable level..
Everyone knows that Burfict, Pac Man, and the others would not be in the NFL only because they still have the talent to play. (sarcasm). But yet Ray Rice can't even get a tryout anymore, smh.
*Yes, Burfict should be suspended for three games for that hit, along with the history he had in the padt, esp with Pittsburgh. Throwing the elbow like he did didn't help.
*No matter what you think of that Shazier hit on Bernard that caused the fumble, I thought spearing is illegal in the NFL. I'm not using the defenseless player crap as an excuse. But the crown of the helmet was used on the hit but no call.
*Yes Joey Porter is allowed to be on the field to check on an injured player but Antonio Brown was no where near that Bengals huddle and should've been escorted away by the officials but never did.
*What was Steelers Coach Mike Munchak thinking when he pulled the Bengals player's hair on the sidelines? He got flagged and maybe getting a fine as well.
*Marvin Lewis had his chances to improve his playoff record but 0-7 is 0-7. And with the way his players acted the last few years, he should be fired unless they're afraid of a Stephen A Smith rant. Of course maybe a Lovie Smith type can take over that team and give them the discipline they need. But who knows.
*Can you imagine the sh** storm Philly or at Rutgers would be going through in the media this morning if fans were throwing bottles on the field like Cincy fans did last night?
Dam shame that the game ended like that because AJ McCarron and AJ Green deserved that win after they brought their team back in the fourth quarter. But hey... WHO DEY, lol?
*Yes, Burfict should be suspended for three games for that hit, along with the history he had in the padt, esp with Pittsburgh. Throwing the elbow like he did didn't help.
*No matter what you think of that Shazier hit on Bernard that caused the fumble, I thought spearing is illegal in the NFL. I'm not using the defenseless player crap as an excuse. But the crown of the helmet was used on the hit but no call.
*Yes Joey Porter is allowed to be on the field to check on an injured player but Antonio Brown was no where near that Bengals huddle and should've been escorted away by the officials but never did.
*What was Steelers Coach Mike Munchak thinking when he pulled the Bengals player's hair on the sidelines? He got flagged and maybe getting a fine as well.
*Marvin Lewis had his chances to improve his playoff record but 0-7 is 0-7. And with the way his players acted the last few years, he should be fired unless they're afraid of a Stephen A Smith rant. Of course maybe a Lovie Smith type can take over that team and give them the discipline they need. But who knows.
*Can you imagine the sh** storm Philly or at Rutgers would be going through in the media this morning if fans were throwing bottles on the field like Cincy fans did last night?
Dam shame that the game ended like that because AJ McCarron and AJ Green deserved that win after they brought their team back in the fourth quarter. But hey... WHO DEY, lol?
That wasn't a penalty.... Bernard turned into a runner when he caught the ball took two steps up field. Shazier if you watch the play again went for the chest and Bernard lowered his body and as a result a helmet to helmet hit occurred. That is not a penalty because 1 Bernard had the ball and was not defenseless and he made a football move up field. And 2 Bernard lowered his center of gravity when shazier already committed to making the tackle. But as a steelers fan I may be biased but man the refs let that game get waaayyyyyy out of hand.
As a Giants fan, I think you're letting your bias get in the way here. Leading with the crown of your helmet and hitting s defenseless wide receiver are both penalties no matter what the intent or circumstances in the name of player safety; therefore, both should have been called.
First penalty was a good call. 2nd was touchy especially as the Pitt coach should not have been on the field and was baiting opposing players. The Pitt coach should be suspended for the next game. If I were the Bengals owner I would get rid of the coach and both players.
lewis has one of the best rosters in the NFL, they do well every year but he can't close when it matters- playoffs, if reese could draft and add players like that, Coughlin would have a few more rings, another reason to fire reese
Bernard wasn't a defenseless receiver though. He turned up field and made a football move. Ref's are being taught to flag targeting helmet to helmets which this was not. Bernard ducked to try and
Absorb some of the hit which caused the helmet to helmet contact and as a result that's not a penalty. the steelers and bengals should be ashamed with how that game played out last night. Yes the two teams and fan bases hate each other but that gives them no excuse to run around the football field like a jail yard acting like complete morons. Joey porter should be suspended for the next game for him going on the field.
Professional football? Where? Nothing professional about that last night whatsoever.... The NFL, both teams, coaches, players should be flat out embarrassed to even call themselves "Professionals!!!!!". For the first time I actually found myself rooting for both teams to lose!! Doubt the NFL does anything more than level some hefty fines, so that they can look good when that money goes to charities....
No, I was referring to the correctly called penalty for Burfict hitting a defenseless wide receiver. I agree that Bernard wasn't 'defenseless' in the earlier hit, but hitting another player with the crown of your helmet (regardless of intent or circumstances) is an automatic penalty in the NFL and thus should have been flagged.
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The second penalty should have been on steelers not bengals. Porter violated the rules by coming onto the field. he doesn;t do that then #24 never bumps him.
If I were the commissioner I would get the owners and union in a room. Every player coming into the draft signs an ironclad disclaimer that basically states the following. Football is a very physical game which may result in serious injury. If your interested in playing for the NFL and earning 10's of millions throughout your career you forfeit your right to sue. If not, we wish you the best of luck. This way we could stop hearing about lawsuits and concussions. It's part of the risk of playing football.
A word of caution to the NFL. The 1960's, 70's and 80's was the height of boxings popularity. After the Mancini fight against Kim Duc Koo a dozen Senators threatened to outlaw boxing in several states. Boxing commissions immediately shortened the fights to 12 rounds. Once a fighter was marginally staggered they stopped fights. Today boxing is all but dead, enter UFC which is so popular that Time Sqaure was advertising four or fight fights continuously. Keep pussufying football and some other well funded organization will start a league and put them out of business.
A word of caution to the NFL. The 1960's, 70's and 80's was the height of boxings popularity. After the Mancini fight against Kim Duc Koo a dozen Senators threatened to outlaw boxing in several states. Boxing commissions immediately shortened the fights to 12 rounds. Once a fighter was marginally staggered they stopped fights. Today boxing is all but dead, enter UFC which is so popular that Time Sqaure was advertising four or fight fights continuously. Keep pussufying football and some other well funded organization will start a league and put them out of business.
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I have paid very little attention to the NFL in 5-6 years so my opinion should be taken with a huge grain of salt but man times have changed when a coach with the success at Cincy like Lewis is actually talked about being fired. I think you'd probably have to go back to Sam Wyche to find a coach at Cincy with any reasonable success. Mike Brown was always thought of as one of those cheap bumbling owners so to have someone like Lewis to me seems like a godsend to him.
No doubt Lewis has that poor man's Marty Schottenheimer feel to him because of the poor playoff performance but still with an owner like Brown I'd be worried giving him the reins for a new pick. He was the owner/GM before is he still now?
No doubt Lewis has that poor man's Marty Schottenheimer feel to him because of the poor playoff performance but still with an owner like Brown I'd be worried giving him the reins for a new pick. He was the owner/GM before is he still now?
Correct, led with the crown of his helmet, it's a penalty regardless if the reciever took no steps or 50.
Just goes to show why I very rarely watch NFL. I hold it in the same regard as the WWE its all pre-determined.
Only the bungles could have pulled that off last night. After the int at about the 26 they should have taken a knee three times forcing the Bengals to use all their to's. Then kick a fg and make them go the length of the field in the remaining seconds with no time outs. Lewis is now 0 - 7 in the playoffs.
it is called "spearing" and that IS what he did.
and #55 for Cincy clearly had time to avoid the hit on the WR but instead purposely plants his shoulder into the guys head. He tried to hurt him. No doubt in my mind. The Jones penalty was the one that should have stayed in the refs pocket. But by then they (the refs) had had far too much of that crap on the field yesterday.
I respectfully disagree. Number 55 came across and grazed the WR with his pads. There was no helmet to helmet collision. If you penalize hits like this you may as well put flags on a WR. You could barely touch a QB. NFL=Boring=Formation of a new football organization.
Grazed huh?? explain how you give someone a concussion by "grazing" browns head?? I would love to know...
Burfict had about 8 yards to avoid contact. Hell, the incomplete pass landed @ @ 10 yards past the receiver before he made contact. That hit was intentional in my opinion.
Lewis is Marty Schott part 2 ( Marty was a better coach), Bengals roster is loaded with talent and has been for years.
- Hit on Giovanni was spearing without question, I still have no idea how that wasn't called.
- Joey Porter should have been flagged , no business being on the field.
- Hit on Giovanni was spearing without question, I still have no idea how that wasn't called.
- Joey Porter should have been flagged , no business being on the field.
BS Refs get in between guys all the time who are pushing and shoving. There were a host of refs there and only one got huffy about it. A better question is why the coach was there at all and not penalised. Too late in the game to let the fact that a ref was upset determine the outcome of a game.
Wrong again, WhiteBus. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I had Cincy +2.5. Squeaked in happily. But, Burfict's penalty you call; Jones you let go. You could see half a dozen cases worse than that in this game that didn't get called. Ref lost his cool. Would have been much better to see if the rookie could have hit it from 50.
And while we are on penalties, the one called against the Pittsburgh coach early in the game was ridiculous as well.
And finally, of course, the miracle catch in the end zone wasn't a catch. Sideline cam clearly shows him juggling the ball before he gets it planted against his leg.
Just calling 'em as I sees 'em, WhiteBus.
Huge +1.... Anyone who was at Metlife in 2010 knows all too well what can happen when you initiate contact with the crown of the helmet!! I watched that whole thing on Rugby Tackling that Pete Carroll did..Really need to mainstream keeping the helmet away as a point of contact...
That's certainly debatable when you look at the rules, and we'll likely see him get fined for his nonsense. Porter was clearly out there to instigate. Pacman is an idiot of epic proportions but they should have let it go or called offsetting personal fouls.
It's just a damn shame that our boys Sanu & Kroft and even AJ McCarron (with his gutsy performance) have to watch a W go up in smoke because of the selfish, braindead antics of others.
And the Steelers aren't a much classier bunch than the Bengals either. Shazier is a scumbag who should have been penalized and then went on to taunt the crowd and obnoxiously celebrate while Bernard was lying there unconscious. Munchak should be ashamed of himself, too...although it's not that far off base when you think back to Tomlin trying to trip a kick returner.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...ine-for-saturday-nights-bengals-steelers-game
"La Canfora reports that, according to league sources, assistant coaches are not allowed on the field during an injury timeout. Medical staff, trainers, attendants and the head coach can come out to see to the welfare of the player. "
As I saw it you can't blame the refs on any of this. Two players out of control. Period. And from all accounts from the pregame shows no one else agrees with you.
You can say whatever you want about whether penalties should have been been called or not - at best they were borderline calls, and at worst was what happened where it ended up losing Cincy the game. Either way mental breakdowns. Horrible culture in Cincy - need to press the reset button - goodbye Burfict, goodbye Pacman, and as tough as it is because I hear he's a good guy goodbye Lewis. I also get rid of the GM - these kind of things seem to ALWAYS happen to a team like the Bengals, but very rarely happen to a team like the Steelers - bottom line just time to change the culture!
I agree, its time for Lewis to go. Not a Bengals fan, but if I am the owner, I don't see how you can keep him after losing again in the playoffs. They need a change. I think it would be a good spot for Coughlin.
Then it should be offsetting personal fouls. Steelers kick the field goal and game over.
The refs are actually overreacting to the Odell Beckman meltdown. They no doubt got the riot act read to them over that and are overcalling. "Out of control" is meaningless. You either do things that get flags or not. Burfict hit a guy hard who was defenceless. Gets a flag for that. Jones was involved in jawing and shoving. Nobody would have been upset if he hadn't been flagged. And so, the game becomes about the refs, and that's always a bad look. Burfict, yes. Jones, no. Steelers coach, no.
And, the guy who hit the running back with the crown of his helmet, probably no, but very close. Turns out there are two rules in play on this one. Was he a defenceless receiver when hit. In slow motion, it looks like no. But at regular speed, he really had no time to get himself ready to take a hit. From that perspective, it could have easily been called. The other rule says that you aren't allowed to lower your helmet and hit a runner with the crown. BUT, the rule says that this is only applied outside the tackle box, AND three yards downfield from the line of scrimmage. The receiver was only half a yard downfield, so you wouldn't invoke that rule.
And the TD catch. What catch? Sideline cam clearly shows him juggling the ball before he gets it secure against his leg.
But it was secure aga
So what he juggled it first. He secured it against his leg with both feet in bounds before he does his flip. Ball didn't move an inch through the stupid process the NFL rule demands now. Catch, no doubt. Weird catch like Tyre but still a catch.
And it's totally irrelevant to the outcome of the game. Cincy had the lead. Should have won and would have won if not for two stupid selfish players on that team. They totally gave it away.
Sorry you have to keep defending those clowns but if they aren't on the field Bengals win.
The same stuff went on in the '60s and 70s. People loved it then. Now everybody's outraged.
The Rutgers players are clearly under utilized.The Bengals record in playoffs is a total joke .
