Best League in the Country?
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You're right, it isn't rocket science. It matters who they played and when. The B10 played each other for most of the season, does that make Michigan better than UCLA? Your statistics are basically BS. If a boxer says he's the best in the world, but he gets knocked out in the championship, does that make him the champion, even though he may have had a better record than his opponent? Of course not. He lost, so he's not the champion. Same for the B10. They were the "best" until it counted.
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I will grant you that conference games are useless for ranking conferences so the proportion of relevant games from the tournament is higher. But it's still way less than 50% and that is even more true in a normal season.
The "best" and the "champion" are not the same thing, especially in this case because there is no championship for conferences.
National Champs in 2015 and 2017. And they might've had a Threepeat if Omari Spellman hadn't had to sit. When was the last time the time the Big-10 had a Title? I'll save you the trouble. Tom Izzo in 2000. And before that? Michigan in 1989...and that was on a questionable call.
One team doesn’t make a conference. By any metric the Big Ten stronger last season and sure looks to be this year.
And with your OP, you picked 3 games selectively and stretched them into a ridiculous conclusion
Pike also says the league has hall of fame coaches. Besides Izzo, I am not sure who else is a hall of fame coach. He seems clueless in that regard
But cmon you’re making it seem like that rest of the tournament doesn’t matter . Getting to the final and the final 4 counts too
OK. Does 5 Help ya?
Creighton 77 Nebraska 69 ('Huskers minus 3-3 1/2)
Seton Hall 67 Michigan 65 (Michigan Minus 8 1/2)
But "we play in the toughest league in the country"
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As of today,
1)Pac 12 28-8 0.778, 5 top 8 wins, 4 top8 losses
Cal, L UNLV(MWC), UCSD(BW), OSU. L ISU(B12), Tulsa(AAC), Wash L N.Ill
Stanford L Santa Clara(WCC), Oregon, BYU(WCC), Ariz St. UCRivers(BW)
2)SEC 30-4 0.882, 1 top 8 win, 2 top8 losses
Missouri L Kansas City, South Carolina L Princeton
Kentucky L Duke(ACC), Georgia L Cincinnati(AAC)
3)Big East 26-2 0.929 4 top8 wins(all B1G), 1 top 8 loss
Georgetown L Dartmouth, Villanova L UCLA(P12)
4)Big 12 21-2 0.913, 3 top8 wins, 1 top8 loss
Texas L Gonzaga(WCC), Oklahoma St L Oakland
5)WCC 27-7 0.774, 3 top8 wins, 2 top8 losses
Pepperdine L UVU, Rice, Pacific L N.Colorado, Hawaii(MWC)
LMU L Chattanooga, San Diego L Cal(P12), Portland L Ariz St.(P12)
6)B1G 10 32-7 0.821, 0 top8 wins, 5 top8 losses
Nebraska L W.Illini, Creighton(BE), PSU L UMass, MSU L Kansas(B12)
Wisc. L Providence (BE), Michigan L Seton(BE), Illinois L Marquette(BE)
7)ACC 34-8 0.810, 1 top8 win, 4 top8 losses
Virginia, L Navy, Houston(AAC), Pitt L TheCitadel, WVU(B12)
FSU L Fla(SEC), Miami L UCF(AAC), Louisville L Furman, GT L Miami(OH)
8)AAC 26-5 0.839, 2 top8 wins, 2 top8 losses
Tulane L Southern, Temple L USC(P12), Tulsa L Air Force(MWC)
SMU L Oregon (P12), USF L GA Southern
9)MWC 19-8 0.704
10)Big West 16-12 0.571
11)A10 24-13 0.649
12)CAA 15-14 0.517
Pac 12 is tops right now big wins and losses, SEC is 2nd with only 1 big win but scheduled 2nd toughest OOC schedule, probably more mid major wins. Big East has beaten up the B1G for 3rd, the rest of the conference rankings 4-8 make sense based on overall record and record against other top conferences but it is way early only 2-4 games in.
1)Pac 12 28-8 0.778, 5 top 8 wins, 4 top8 losses
Cal, L UNLV(MWC), UCSD(BW), OSU. L ISU(B12), Tulsa(AAC), Wash L N.Ill
Stanford L Santa Clara(WCC), Oregon, BYU(WCC), Ariz St. UCRivers(BW)
2)SEC 30-4 0.882, 1 top 8 win, 2 top8 losses
Missouri L Kansas City, South Carolina L Princeton
Kentucky L Duke(ACC), Georgia L Cincinnati(AAC)
3)Big East 26-2 0.929 4 top8 wins(all B1G), 1 top 8 loss
Georgetown L Dartmouth, Villanova L UCLA(P12)
4)Big 12 21-2 0.913, 3 top8 wins, 1 top8 loss
Texas L Gonzaga(WCC), Oklahoma St L Oakland
5)WCC 27-7 0.774, 3 top8 wins, 2 top8 losses
Pepperdine L UVU, Rice, Pacific L N.Colorado, Hawaii(MWC)
LMU L Chattanooga, San Diego L Cal(P12), Portland L Ariz St.(P12)
6)B1G 10 32-7 0.821, 0 top8 wins, 5 top8 losses
Nebraska L W.Illini, Creighton(BE), PSU L UMass, MSU L Kansas(B12)
Wisc. L Providence (BE), Michigan L Seton(BE), Illinois L Marquette(BE)
7)ACC 34-8 0.810, 1 top8 win, 4 top8 losses
Virginia, L Navy, Houston(AAC), Pitt L TheCitadel, WVU(B12)
FSU L Fla(SEC), Miami L UCF(AAC), Louisville L Furman, GT L Miami(OH)
8)AAC 26-5 0.839, 2 top8 wins, 2 top8 losses
Tulane L Southern, Temple L USC(P12), Tulsa L Air Force(MWC)
SMU L Oregon (P12), USF L GA Southern
9)MWC 19-8 0.704
10)Big West 16-12 0.571
11)A10 24-13 0.649
12)CAA 15-14 0.517
Pac 12 is tops right now big wins and losses, SEC is 2nd with only 1 big win but scheduled 2nd toughest OOC schedule, probably more mid major wins. Big East has beaten up the B1G for 3rd, the rest of the conference rankings 4-8 make sense based on overall record and record against other top conferences but it is way early only 2-4 games in.
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I'd love for that to be true, and maybe it is (and I've been yelling for the past few years that the metrics that favored the Big Ten did not depict reality), but I don't think I'm comfortable saying this yet, either. I think we see how those eight teams are in relation to each other, but that might be it.
As much as I enjoy crowing about it so far, there is just not enough data yet about any of this to say for sure.
I guess we must be good these days - a Nova a-hole is trolling us. Dude seems way too obsessed with what Pike says.
Results don't lie. At this point yes, but it's a long season, even someone as simple as HoopCat knows that.
agreed.. go bark at Penn State fans or some other Big Ten board. Why are we blessed with this 'bag.
I am so glad Creighton won at Purdue and Providence won at Ohio State....oh wait, never mind......
The Gavitt Games aren't a full assessment of each conference based on matchups, Nova, UConn, Purdue, Maryland, Iowa aren't a part. Some teams lost more than others, some gained more than others, some are still trying to figure it out from last year's team.
Experts from each conference is 21-22 finish,
Providence(8th BE NET, 21-22 8th) vs Wisc(5th B1G NET, 21-22 9th)
Providence scrimmaged Purdue, Wisconsin lost a lot
Illinois(2nd NET, 21-22 4th) vs Marquette(9th NET, 21-22 9th)
Illinois, no Kofi(Susp.) or Ayo(NBA), lost by 1
*Seton Hall(5th NET, 21-22 6th) vs Michigan(1st NET, 21-22 2nd)
The Hall is better than advertised
Creighton(2nd NET, 21-22 7th) vs Nebraska(14th NET, 21-22 12th)
This was a gimme for the BE, BE 4-0 right now
MSU(11th NET, 21-22 6th) @ Butler(10th NET, 21-22 5th)
St John's(6th NET, 21-22 4th) @ Indiana(10th NET, 21-22 7th)
Rutgers(8th NET, 21-22 8th) @ Depaul(11th NET,21-22 11th)
Ohio St(4th NET, 21-22 3rd) @ Xavier(5th NET, 21-22 2nd)
We will see how the other 4 play out.
Experts from each conference is 21-22 finish,
Providence(8th BE NET, 21-22 8th) vs Wisc(5th B1G NET, 21-22 9th)
Providence scrimmaged Purdue, Wisconsin lost a lot
Illinois(2nd NET, 21-22 4th) vs Marquette(9th NET, 21-22 9th)
Illinois, no Kofi(Susp.) or Ayo(NBA), lost by 1
*Seton Hall(5th NET, 21-22 6th) vs Michigan(1st NET, 21-22 2nd)
The Hall is better than advertised
Creighton(2nd NET, 21-22 7th) vs Nebraska(14th NET, 21-22 12th)
This was a gimme for the BE, BE 4-0 right now
MSU(11th NET, 21-22 6th) @ Butler(10th NET, 21-22 5th)
St John's(6th NET, 21-22 4th) @ Indiana(10th NET, 21-22 7th)
Rutgers(8th NET, 21-22 8th) @ Depaul(11th NET,21-22 11th)
Ohio St(4th NET, 21-22 3rd) @ Xavier(5th NET, 21-22 2nd)
We will see how the other 4 play out.
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True, but by the same token, I also can't wait to see what Villanova and UConn do in this series ... er, no, wait...
Obviously, it’s early in the season and the really good teams will be playing much better in another two months. But you can’t argue with the results so far.
What the BE is doing now in this series is going to get them more teams in the dance. That’s just how this stuff works. But you don’t have to look any further than last season to see that RU knocked off a highly regarded Illinois team early in the season that pretty much had out number by March. But that win over Illinois was still at the top of our resume’. It matters.
Michigan is going to be good this year. So congrats on an early season resume’ building win.
League toughness should be graded by how well another team would do in that conference full time, not by 1 game. Villanova would be about 13-7 at best in the B1G, more likely 10-10 so yes the B1G is a “tougher conference” than the Big East
Are you trying to say that another mid major league is better? I really thing the big East is the best of those leagues this year.
If it weren’t for George Mason, the Big Ten would have such aspirations, too.
A10's George Mason is crazy hot to start the season. Beat Stony Brook by 22, a Penn by 21, Morgan St By 37. Fg 53.4% 3pt 40.5%.
Won @ Md, 71-66 FG 44.8%, 3pt 50% 12-24
3 of their top 5 players are transfers from 5th year Colorado,.5th year Morehead St, 3rd year from Tenn, watch out for them this year.
Won @ Md, 71-66 FG 44.8%, 3pt 50% 12-24
3 of their top 5 players are transfers from 5th year Colorado,.5th year Morehead St, 3rd year from Tenn, watch out for them this year.
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I caught the second part of the second half. They looked really good; really took it to Maryland and they have legit athleticism and shot making
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Imo, big ten and big east are overrated. Big east moreso tho. Conference gets hyped every year, gets more teams than they deserve in then they get waxed
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Dude, he wasn't the only person saying this - the whole god damn college basketball world was saying it.
The Big East went 4-4 in the tourney and the Big Ten went 8-9... so why is Hoopcat.. well, being the way he is?
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I think UConn drew Maryland in the NCAAS last year so while "last year" was discussed as why the B1G supposedly isn't the best league, I'm still not seeing who fans are placing in that #1 spot.......
I am not backwards on the topic but UConn was considered a Top 2 or 3 Big East school.....it's an odd discussion that happens based on random matchups in November that really doesn't make too much sense ( to me). The Big East argument should be that perhaps underrated Seton Hall defeated potentially overrated Michigan....you can't have it both ways and say SHU beat Michigan and plant the flag on a couple of games vs the same conference that is supposedly not the best......the last or only line of defense is who wins national championships and Nova and UConn have both had historically great NBA caliber players, who brought titles home.....the B1G has not historically recruited that type of player, the 1 and dones like UNC, Duke, Kentucky and Kansas and Nova won by being a little more seasoned and veteran driven.
