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Big 10 coaching futures and is Thad Matta's seat getting warm?

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Grumblings have come and gone this year on social media and in newspapers. This is the 2nd straight year they have missed the dance. Expectations are high at this program. Matta has taken this program to two final 4s and won 4 Big 10 titles but at programs like this, it is what have you done for me lately

2004-05 Ohio State 20-12 8-8/6th
2005-06 Ohio State 26-6 12-4/1st Big Ten Title Game NCAA 2nd Round
2006-07 Ohio State 35-4 15-1/1st Big Ten Champions NCAA Title Game
2007-08 Ohio State 24-13 10-8/5th NIT Champions
2008-09 Ohio State 22-11 10-8/4th-T Big Ten Title Game NCAA 1st Round
2009-10 Ohio State 29-8 14-4/1st-T Big Ten Champions NCAA Sweet 16
2010-11 Ohio State 34-3 16-2/1st Big Ten Champions NCAA Sweet 16
2011-12 Ohio State 31-8 13-5/1st-T Big Ten Title Game NCAA Final Four
2012-13 Ohio State 29-8 13-5/2nd-T Big Ten Champions NCAA Elite Eight
2013-14 Ohio State 25-10 10-8/5th NCAA 2nd Round
2014-15 Ohio State 24-11 11-7/6th NCAA 3rd Round
2015-16 Ohio State 21-14 11-7/7th NIT 2nd Round
2016-17 Ohio State 17-14 7-11/T10th

an amazing resume yet you can see a decline beginning albeit this is their first sub 500 seasons. Thinking that Matt is going to need to turn things around next year and make the dance or next season will be his last.

also was announced that Pat Chambers will be returning for Penn State next year. He is going to have to take that next step....6-12 next year will not do it for him

Miles is also going to be under fire at Nebby so lets see if he gets another year

Crean is likely to be gone at Indiana barring a miracle run in the Big 10 tourney

Groce at Illinois is definitely in trouble if his team cannot make a run in the Big 10 tourney and get an at large bid for his team.
 
Doesn't Groce have a good class coming in?

Change title to B1G or Big 10. I was expecting to see Bill Self fired.
 
Greene Rice FIG said:
Doesn't Groce have a good class coming in?

Change title to B1G or Big 10. I was expecting to see Bill Self fired.
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haha lots of info today messing with my keyboard

Groce has the top Big 10 class coming in, ranked 11th, I think they are losing alot of players though, if they want to make a break they need to do it now if he does not take them to the NCAA, some want him gone even if he does which is stupid. I think he is in his 5th year and went the first year with Bruce Weber leftovers. I do not this is a marquee job anymore...heard that they would want to get Greg Marshall but he can do better.
 
The guy wins the Big Ten and a year later they want to fire him.

That will give the really high end guys second thoughts on going after the job IMO.
 
If Indiana fires Crean I am thinking that they may want to go after Scott Drew. I think the Big 12 is going to come down hard on Baylor for all of the wrong doing in the football program including docking some of the school's money disbursements. I don't think Drew wants to be near that.
 
Cuonzo Martin would be interested in either Mizzou or Illinois....he's at Cal and both make sense for him, moreso than Tennessee did and certainly Cal.

I know Crean is not redhot right now, but I don't Indiana is getting a better available coach right now, unless they really think they can pull Archie Miller out of Dayton (not saying it's unlikely, but he already turned down his alma mater NC State)...

Illinois is a job that wants to look and feel like the big boys, but convincing Chicagoland kids to hike 2 hours south to the Farmland of Champaign is very tough.....the years when Illinois had elite talent in the late 80's or early 90's and then again with Bill Self, they eventually ran into recruiting problems....
 
Kinda see Matta as in a similar situation to Jay Wright a few years ago. Namely the 11/12 and 12/13 seasons. Hit a bit of a dry spell, missed on a couple of recruiting classes -> then got his groove back and went on another extended run of success.

Matta's still a very good coach, he'll get things turned around.
 
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CatsnRoses said:
Kinda see Matta as in a similar situation to Jay Wright a few years ago. Namely the 11/12 and 12/13 seasons. Hit a bit of a dry spell, missed on a couple of recruiting classes -> then got his groove back and went on another extended run of success.

Matta's still a very good coach, he'll get things turned around.
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maybe but patience is running thin. Jay Wright has less competition in the Big East to sustain that program compared to the Big 10. It is obvious that football runs the show at OSU. If he cannot produce next year there really is no reason to keep him, you cannot go 3 years missing the tournament at OSU.
 
NewJerseyHawk said:
Cuonzo Martin would be interested in either Mizzou or Illinois....he's at Cal and both make sense for him, moreso than Tennessee did and certainly Cal.

I know Crean is not redhot right now, but I don't Indiana is getting a better available coach right now, unless they really think they can pull Archie Miller out of Dayton (not saying it's unlikely, but he already turned down his alma mater NC State)...

Illinois is a job that wants to look and feel like the big boys, but convincing Chicagoland kids to hike 2 hours south to the Farmland of Champaign is very tough.....the years when Illinois had elite talent in the late 80's or early 90's and then again with Bill Self, they eventually ran into recruiting problems....
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Miller will leave at some point, he almost has to. Dayton can only do so much in that league which is way down this year.

If I were Missouri or Illinois not sure Martin is at the top of my list given the way Cal has played their way out of the tournament down the stretch. Would not be surprised to see Gottfried wind up with a another major coaching job. He would be an upgrade from Groce at Illinois.
 
Sideline20 said:
If Indiana fires Crean I am thinking that they may want to go after Scott Drew. I think the Big 12 is going to come down hard on Baylor for all of the wrong doing in the football program including docking some of the school's money disbursements. I don't think Drew wants to be near that.
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good point, time is right for Drew to get out dodge there, although I always hear chatter he isnt squeaky clean. The issue with Indiana is always about realistic expectations, if you do not win at a high level virtually every year, they want to rush you out the door. The pressure is great and that can scare away some promising coaches
 
bac2therac said:
http://thebiglead.com/2017/02/12/indiana-must-fire-tom-crean-pursue-billy-donovan/


maybe he misses the college game, obviously it would take a huge offer to pull him away but I will always think of him as a college coach. He will be at Kentucky when Cal leaves
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Well, damn where's the article that Nebraska must pursue Tyron Lue? He's an alumn & has coached a team that won a NBA Championship.

I just don't recall any NBA Coach leaving of a winning franchise suddenly leaving and returning to college coaching.

I would be shocked if BD left OKC for Indiana. Don't see Brad Stevens leaving Boston with the season they're having either.

Not impossible that BD could end up at UK one day but he's declined UK's overtures before.
 
Agreed-----and Gottfried while an excellent recruiter is not a great coach.

Why leave Cal for or Illinois or Mizzou ?

Cuonzo Martin has a better job than those 2 spots.
 
bac2therac said:
Grumblings have come and gone this year on social media and in newspapers. This is the 2nd straight year they have missed the dance. Expectations are high at this program. Matta has taken this program to two final 4s and won 4 Big 10 titles but at programs like this, it is what have you done for me lately

2004-05 Ohio State 20-12 8-8/6th
2005-06 Ohio State 26-6 12-4/1st Big Ten Title Game NCAA 2nd Round
2006-07 Ohio State 35-4 15-1/1st Big Ten Champions NCAA Title Game
2007-08 Ohio State 24-13 10-8/5th NIT Champions
2008-09 Ohio State 22-11 10-8/4th-T Big Ten Title Game NCAA 1st Round
2009-10 Ohio State 29-8 14-4/1st-T Big Ten Champions NCAA Sweet 16
2010-11 Ohio State 34-3 16-2/1st Big Ten Champions NCAA Sweet 16
2011-12 Ohio State 31-8 13-5/1st-T Big Ten Title Game NCAA Final Four
2012-13 Ohio State 29-8 13-5/2nd-T Big Ten Champions NCAA Elite Eight
2013-14 Ohio State 25-10 10-8/5th NCAA 2nd Round
2014-15 Ohio State 24-11 11-7/6th NCAA 3rd Round
2015-16 Ohio State 21-14 11-7/7th NIT 2nd Round
2016-17 Ohio State 17-14 7-11/T10th

an amazing resume yet you can see a decline beginning albeit this is their first sub 500 seasons. Thinking that Matt is going to need to turn things around next year and make the dance or next season will be his last.

also was announced that Pat Chambers will be returning for Penn State next year. He is going to have to take that next step....6-12 next year will not do it for him

Miles is also going to be under fire at Nebby so lets see if he gets another year

Crean is likely to be gone at Indiana barring a miracle run in the Big 10 tourney

Groce at Illinois is definitely in trouble if his team cannot make a run in the Big 10 tourney and get an at large bid for his team.
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Matta's record if at Rutgers would warrant a statue in front of the RAC.Power conference teams,however, have high expectations which includes making the NCAA Tournament on a regular basis and winning league championships.Failure to do so negates previous achievements.
 
TDIrish27 said:
Agreed-----and Gottfried while an excellent recruiter is not a great coach.

Why leave Cal for or Illinois or Mizzou ?

Cuonzo Martin has a better job than those 2 spots.
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Better jobs because more exposure in better conferences...its not a huge difference but I rate the Illinois job as slightly better than Cal. Mizzou has potential but has fallen off but they had a great history..might be a cut below Cal now.
 
TDIrish27 said:
Agreed-----and Gottfried while an excellent recruiter is not a great coach.

Why leave Cal for or Illinois or Mizzou ?

Cuonzo Martin has a better job than those 2 spots.
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Cuonzo is from the St. Louis area I believe. He also coached at Missouri State. I think he would KILL it at Mizzou. He'd get the St. Louis and the Kansas City kids who are going elsewhere to come to Mizzou.

Plus he'd get a lot of recruiting help help from Nike, just like they're helping him at Cal. Plus, I wouldn't want to live in Bezerkeley, CA any longer than I had to...if at all.
 
Sideline20 said:
If Indiana fires Crean I am thinking that they may want to go after Scott Drew. I think the Big 12 is going to come down hard on Baylor for all of the wrong doing in the football program including docking some of the school's money disbursements. I don't think Drew wants to be near that.
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There is absolutely no way IU goes after Drew. None. Among their top candidates would be Donovan, A Miller, Gregg Marshall and maybe Chris Mack. Some are saying they may want Alford but I do not see them going that direction.
 
Brad Stevens is the second best basketball coach in the world behind Pops.

He's not going to IU. Some NBA team would dump millions on him if they thought he was entertaining thoughts of leaving the Celtics.
 
St_Henry_Buckeye said:
There is absolutely no way IU goes after Drew. None. Among their top candidates would be Donovan, A Miller, Gregg Marshall and maybe Chris Mack. Some are saying they may want Alford but I do not see them going that direction.
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so as a Buckeye fan what is the general consensus on Matta?
 
Bac

The Big Ten is a better conference than the Pac 12 ?

Watch when they have 3 in the Sweet Sixteen.

Russ

I would much rather live in Berkeley than Columbia Mo or Champaign Urbana.

That's an easy one.
 
TDIrish27 said:
Bac

The Big Ten is a better conference than the Pac 12 ?

Watch when they have 3 in the Sweet Sixteen.

Russ

I would much rather live in Berkeley than Columbia Mo or Champaign Urbana.

That's an easy one.
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Pac 12 has 3 great teams, three okay teams only one of which will make the tournament and then 6 less than mediocre to poor teams..the bottom of the conference is filled with dregs...Wash/Wash St/Oreg St are worse than anything other than what you find at BC in the ACC...pac 12 has three of those teams...yes on a regular basis the Big 10 is a better conference...and we will not even get into the money and exposure arguments
 
bac2therac said:
so as a Buckeye fan what is the general consensus on Matta?
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There are certainly a lot of folks who have given up on Matta and want a change. I think moat rational people want him to stay. He deserves to not be fired and in my opinion he will leave on his own accord.
Too many Buckeye basketball fans are spoiled.
 
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TDIrish27 said:
Bac

The Big Ten is a better conference than the Pac 12 ?

Watch when they have 3 in the Sweet Sixteen.

Russ

I would much rather live in Berkeley than Columbia Mo or Champaign Urbana.

That's an easy one.
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Thought the argument that Illinois and Missouri are better jobs than Cal is just silly east coast bias.
 
TDIrish27 said:
Bac

Who are the great teams in the Big 10 ?
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um just because a conference has one year where it is outstanding at the top does not mean it has surpassed the other conferences...you just want to look at one year and say look the Pac 10 is better ooh the Big 10 has been surpassed
 
look at how much success since 1980 the Big 10 has had compared to the Pac 12 in terms of final 4s and national championships..probably doubles the Pac 12 numbers. How about since 2000, Big 10 triples Pac 12 appearances....Pac 12 has not had a final 4 participant in 10 YEARS....WOW
 
Russ Wood said:
Cuonzo is from the St. Louis area I believe. He also coached at Missouri State. I think he would KILL it at Mizzou. He'd get the St. Louis and the Kansas City kids who are going elsewhere to come to Mizzou.

Plus he'd get a lot of recruiting help help from Nike, just like they're helping him at Cal. Plus, I wouldn't want to live in Bezerkeley, CA any longer than I had to...if at all.
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Have you actually been around the areas where folks like Martin live when at Berkeley? Its pretty damn nice and isn't some hick town in Missouri.
 
TDIrish27 said:
Bac

Who are the great teams in the Big 10 ?
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Not Bac, but I can truly say there are no great teams in the Big 10 nor the entire country. However, this is the deepest the Big 10 has ever been because the middle of the conference teams, like Nortwestern, Minnesota and Iowa have elevated to near the top teams, and the bottom of the conference , Nebraska, Penn State , and Rutgers have become closer to the middle. Every night is a dogfight with no nights off, compared to Rutgers , Penn State and Nebraska being a night off in the past. It just so happens that Wisconsin , Michigan State, Michigan , Ohio State, and Indiana , are not as strong or elite as they have been in the past. Michigan, Iowa, Northwestern and Minnesota along with Purdue are playing at a real high level now making it possible each could win the conference tourney and if Iowa goes on a run and gets into the NCAA , the Big 10 might have as many Sweet sixteen teams as any other conference . Better question is what truly elite teams are out there this year?
 
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TDIrish27 said:
No I was just referring to this year--------it isn't close.
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yet behind those top 3 they are awful really....anything less than 2 of those 3 in the elite 8 would be failures and they most certainly need a final 4 appearance this year and all 3 should be sweet 16 locks, if not then I will consider the Pac 12 to be a fraud like it usually is
 
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