http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf...pansion-could-happen-in-summer-130736987.html
At some point alignment stories will cease, but not anytime soon.
At some point alignment stories will cease, but not anytime soon.
Big 12 expansion vote in summer?
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Good for Cincy on possibly getting the look. Always liked them as a conference foe.
Good luck brothers.
Good luck brothers.
...They will do something for self preservation....UC,BYU and UConn possibly in the mix....don't count them out.
Funny, when we were back in the BE, I followed every expansion/realignment story or rumor out there with full gusto. Now, I just have a passing interest in hearing what's being thrown around>
Because were ''at peace'' now..no worries about being left behind..I remember.
The Big 12 should take a serious look at them if they are going to expand. One of the problems with the conference was that most of the talent came from Texas and all the Texas schools played in the South division which helped keep the North schools weak. Ohio has good high school football and can help teams in the North (if they do another North-South split) remain competitive.
If Big 12 expands again, they need to get better teams, or it will be on life support as a conference and be referred to as BIG East part II. Wasn't too long ago when 2-3 teams were contemplating jumping ship to BE. Cincinnati doesn't make them stronger, especially if someone leaves again.
Big 12 needs to expand first into Florida. UCF gives them the largest University in the country, big alumni base, destination city in Orlando, and large TV market. Makes a lot of sense.
I think its going to be contraction not expansion. Let me think, what conference is going to be renegotiating its TV deal after the summer?
The B12 needs to seriously figure out how to balance the power for long term sucsess (The B1G needs to, too but without expanding).
WVU is on an island and it will hurt them if they don't get eastern help. Opening up Ohio with Cincy is a start.
The B12 really scr*wed up not taking the Ville. The B12 with Cincy, Pitt the Ville, and WU would have been a GREAT B12 North.
reading some B12 stories,a media study the B12 had commisioned listed Uconn with a NY viewing share,and ahead of BYU on expansion list based on media share(alledgedly)..little do they know what a dump Uconn football facilities are.
Heres another article that came out today 2/17/16, saying B12 has same problem, as before,schools they could add really wont make them more money,and Texas longhorn network deal with ESPN(allready losing money) is huge hurdle.. this article paints picture it will not happen.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...st-interest-for-big-12-football-not-to-expand
Heres another article that came out today 2/17/16, saying B12 has same problem, as before,schools they could add really wont make them more money,and Texas longhorn network deal with ESPN(allready losing money) is huge hurdle.. this article paints picture it will not happen.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...st-interest-for-big-12-football-not-to-expand
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If UCONN got into the B12, what would REALLY sting.
We have a strangle hold of NY right now. BBall needs to pull their head's out of their.... But we can dominate NYC. But not with UCONN in the B12. We don't need the ACC and B12 rotating their conference BBall Touney's every 4yrs in MSG.
We have a strangle hold of NY right now. BBall needs to pull their head's out of their.... But we can dominate NYC. But not with UCONN in the B12. We don't need the ACC and B12 rotating their conference BBall Touney's every 4yrs in MSG.
I find it hard to believe. BYU is on of the few teams with a true national fanbase.
what IF the B10 added Uconn...UGH! ..Article asks should B10 add Uconn first?
http://www.landgrantholyland.com/2016/1/20/10790646/big-ten-expansion-ohio-state-uconn-big-12
http://www.landgrantholyland.com/2016/1/20/10790646/big-ten-expansion-ohio-state-uconn-big-12
Old story, we went through 5 pages on this, not happening. Neither is BYU to the Big XII. They could have gone to the PAC and didn't so I highly doubt they leave for this conference.
Imagine getting to Storrs from Lubbock. While the Big 12 has powerhouses like Texas and Oklahoma and a basketball giant in Kansas the conference has an AAC feel to it. Schools like UConn and UCF would add to that image. They were really hurt when Missouri and Texas AM left - neither of whom seems a good fit in the SEC.
mostly likely nothing will happen with expansion for a few years. Now that the B12 can have a championship game with 10 members they don't need 2 extra teams. When the GOR for the ACC / B12 runs out in 10 or so years you may see some movement between those conferences.
Let's be real. WBB is not a national story except for 1 weekend in the Spring. No one outside of UConn and Baylor will care. Expansion was, is, and will always be about 1 thing....Football viewership.
I would do this.
If 2 to go to 12, then Cincy and BYU.
If 4 to to to 14, then Cincy, BYU, Houston, and UCF. I know another Texas school.
If 2 to go to 12, then Cincy and BYU.
If 4 to to to 14, then Cincy, BYU, Houston, and UCF. I know another Texas school.
4 conferences, 16 teams. No reason to split the pie even more. And for all those who think GOR stops teams from moving think again. If Oklahoma and lets say Kansas move to B1G, other schools would seek refuge in other conferences and there would be no one left to pay.
I don't think Oklahoma goes anywhere without Oklahoma State, likewise I don't think Kansas goes anywhere without Kansas State, I believe there are political considerations there that would not allow that to play out. Also, lets be real, even though U of Texas hasn't been very good in football the past couple of years, they are still the "lead brand" in the Big 12 and I would think if they didn't like the options being considered for expansion and threatened to look elsewhere for a new home, the rest of the conference presidents would re-consider adding schools like Cinncy, UCF or UConn. If the Big 12 can hold a conference championship game with only 10 teams in the conference, I do not see a reason for the expansion unless there is significantly more money to be made by adding someone. I do not see Cinncy, USF, Houston or UConn (maybe UCF and perhaps BYU) adding significantly more revenue to the pot to be further split up. I think its more likely Texas and BYU go to the PAC than further Big 12 expansion.
I think the idea would be that there will be four P4 conferences, each with 16 teams, so ND would need to become a full member of one of those four, which will either shake down to the B1G, SEC, Pac16, and B12 or the B1G, SEC, Pac16, and ACC.
The B12 could be pro-active and start this process along by raiding the ACC and taking FSU, Clemson, and possibly Miami and GT. The B12 needs markets. Florida is a big enough market to support 2 B12 teams along with the SEC team there. If the B12 isn't pro-active, it could be the one that gets picked apart.
I must have been away when a decision was made allowing a ten-member conference to have a championship game. How did that happen? Who would have voted for it, aside from the B12 members themselves? It seems self-defeating for members of any other conference to vote in favor of that.
Nobody from the ACC would go to the Big12 for multiple reasons. The Big12 is the shakiest conference BY FAR. That said, I don't see this 4 conferences of 16 happening for quite some time (more than a decade) , although it does make sense.
Uconn will not be in a major conference for football again. They've got a long, long, long way to go and should have never been in the BCS Big East. They did not build the infrastructure, fan base, or resources needed to compete at this level when they jumped from FCS not long ago. There are a lot more dues to pay until they get a real look from a real conference.
The problem is the Big 12's TV contract. Their contract does not get renegotiated if they expand, like everyone else's does. Their TV contract only increases enough to keep the payouts at the same level. That kills a lot of incentive to expand. The only really lucrative reason to expand would be a conference network, which faces several problems, notably they LHN.
No they couldn't. The Pac 12 blackballed BYU, specifically Cal.
The magical 4 conference/16 schools is not a goal. Fans just think it is because it looks neat on paper. There is no incentive for conferences to get to 16. There is nothing magical or special about that number. Being at 16 is no more advantageous that being at 14 or 18.
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You could not be more WRONG...trust me A&M fits quite nicely in the SEC...more money...fans love it, better competition and a complete cultural fit...like a glove in fact. The big 12 was the wrong fit for A&M as that was clearly a kluge between the big 8 and SWC...A&M would have left for the SEC when Arky did, except politics of the time did not allow for it.
Mizzou I don't know nor care...A&M could not be happier where it landed...oh and TONS OF $$$$$
In all seriousness,I never felt beating UCONN in football was a given. To say they have a long way to go is silly, in fact they are much closer to getting there in football, than our basketball program is.
Couldn't disagree more. UConn football is in a weak recruiting base and lacks any type of necessary financial and fan support. RU is in a fertile recruiting ground for basketball and money is on the way to improve facilities and that will go a long way towards bringing in better talent. If you sincerely think this I would seriously question your being an RU sports fan...come on, this is sarcasm right?
If it wasn't for the GOR, this would happen.
VTech and NC State to the SEC as well.
The ACC commish and the tiny private schools in the ACC weren't stupid in forcing the $45,000,000 GOR.
When the GOR is up I foresee the big state schools in the ACC leaving the rest behind. UNC/VIR to the B1G
Do you really think UNC is going to leave Duke and the biggest college basketball rivalry in the country? The state and fan bases won't allow that
No - FSU and Clemson flirted with the Big 12 a few years back - this was after Syracuse and Pitt were added. It did not go forward. After that the ACC signed a GOR - remember it clearly - I thought it might be a way for us to get into the ACC (this was before Delaney saved us)
This can be interesting in 10 or so years. If the ACC / B12 form 2 conferences with 1 public and 1 public / private while 4 schools go to the SEC / B10
Publics of ACC:
- UNC - move to B10
- UVA - move to B10
- NC St - move to SEC
- Va Tech - Move to SEC
- FSU - B12
- Clemson - B12
- Pitt - ACC
- Louisville - B12
- Ga Tech - B12
Privates of ACC:
- ND - ACC (not football - similar agreement as today)
- Duke - ACC
- Wake - ACC
- BC - ACC
- Syracuse - ACC
- Miami - ACC
Publics of B12:
- Texas - B12
- Oklahoma - B12
- Tx Tech- B12
- Okl St- B12
- Kansas - B12
- KS St- B12
- Iowa St - ACC
- West Virginia- B12
Privates of B12:
- Baylor - ACC
- TCU - ACC
Outside of current B12 / ACC that could be added:
- Cincy - ACC
- UConn - ACC
- Memphis - ACC
- UCF - ACC
- USF - ACC
That doesn't answer his question.
B1G - 14
SEC - 14
ACC - 14
Pac 12 - 12
Big 12 - 10
Notre Dame
That's 65 programs. if you have 4 conferences with 16 teams each, that totals 64 programs so someone has to be left out.
The 4 x 16 is a fan dream anyway. Try and make it work realistically. From your starting point of the Big 12 taking FSU, Clemson, Miami and GT (not a very realistic start, but lets roll with it) from there...? Let's say the B1G takes UNC and UVa, and the SEC VT and NC State. Who's going to the Pac-12? Duke? Pitt? Syracuse?
There's a huge problem with the 4 x 16 because, outside of the conferences they're in now, no one is taking Iowa State, no one is taking Kansas State, no one is taking Wake Forest. And if Texas and Oklahoma don't go west, the Pac-12 is boxed in.
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