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Big Ten, Fox close to huge TV deal

Not sure how I feel about this. I am able to watch Penn State every single week on some sort of ESPN/ABC/BTN broadcast so hopefully that won't change. Is that how it is for you all currently? Where you can see every RU game?
 
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KJB,
That is how it is for football,but we don't get on very often for basketball (which lately has been a good thing LOL).
 
kjb32812 said:
Not sure how I feel about this. I am able to watch Penn State every single week on some sort of ESPN/ABC/BTN broadcast so hopefully that won't change. Is that how it is for you all currently? Where you can see every RU game?
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I live in California so the B1G network does it for me. If on occasion, which is rare the game is not shown out here, I can always go to a sports bar and watch it.
 
One thing I have to admit--the SEC Network,overall,does a much better job than BTN.
 
So much for the nobody is gonna pay for sports anymore theory.

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HeavenUniv. said:
KJB,
That is how it is for football,but we don't get on very often for basketball (which lately has been a good thing LOL).
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All of our conference MBB games were on BTN or one of the ESPN networks. Almost all of our home OOC games were on BTN or one of the ESPN networks (I think there were 3 home OOC games which were on internet BTN Plus).
 
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HeavenUniv. said:
KJB,
That is how it is for football,but we don't get on very often for basketball (which lately has been a good thing LOL).
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We aren't on for BB much either but obviously I can see why. That being said, I would like a lot more wrestling coverage over some of the other sports but I am definitely biased.
 
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Do we have enough information to get a sense of how much of an increase this is looking like?
 
Id have to guess that the posters who have been claiming our new TV deal was going to be "much lower than expected" are gonna be oh-so-wrong.
 
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On FIOS in Philly I get FS1 and FS2, so speaking purely for myself, this should make even more B1G games viewable, since this deal is for only half the rights.
 
Local Shill said:
Keep in mind this Fox deal is only a portion of the TV package out to bid. ESPN is still in the mix and of course BTN will also air plenty of games.
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Yes. This is for 1/2 of the Tier One rights. It works out to about $18 MM per school. So assuming that the other half of the Tier One rights is the same price, that's $36 MM per school. Then BTN revenue is on top of that.
 
Local Shill said:
Keep in mind this Fox deal is only a portion of the TV package out to bid. ESPN is still in the mix and of course BTN will also air plenty of games.
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For reference, the current Big Ten deal (which started in 2006 before the "bubble"), averages $100 million per year from ESPN and $12 million per year from CBS. The BTN portion of the deal runs past 2030, so that will not change.
 
Local Shill said:
Not really true. All games are now available. It just changes what channel some will be on.
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I believe it's potentially true. Let's say the ESPN family of networks purchases the rights to the other half of the games. In that case, FOX would essentially be replacing CBS as a B1G television partner. FOX/FS1/FS2 > CBS/CBS Sports, unless I'm missing a CBS channel that would be an option to show B1G games? This, of course, applies much more to basketball, and its larger inventory of games, than football.
 
Cheesesteak Vegas said:
I believe it's potentially true. Let's say the ESPN family of networks purchases the rights to the other half of the games. In that case, FOX would essentially be replacing CBS as a B1G television partner. FOX/FS1/FS2 > CBS/CBS Sports, unless I'm missing a CBS channel that would be an option to show B1G games?
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CBS only shows a handful of hoops games under the current deal. No football.
CBS Sports Network is not involved at all for either sport.
 
Fox and BTN are partners allready..before this pending deal..
The Big Ten Network (BTN) is an Americanregional sports network that is owned as a joint venture between the Big Ten Conference (which owns 49% of the network) and the Fox Entertainment Group subsidiary of 21st Century Fox (which owns a controlling 51% interest), and is operated by Fox Sports. It is the first internationally distributed network dedicated to covering a single collegiate athletic conference. Dedicated to sports and other programming from the Big Ten, the network's lineup includes telecasts of Big Ten events, archived events involving schools in the conference, studio shows, coach's shows, documentaries and other programming related to the conference.
 
Upstream said:
Yes. This is for 1/2 of the Tier One rights. It works out to about $18 MM per school. So assuming that the other half of the Tier One rights is the same price, that's $36 MM per school. Then BTN revenue is on top of that.
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For some reason the number $8MM sticks in my head for the Most recent BTN payout which if all suppositions are true, that puts the TV money at about 44MM per team. Not us yet of course. That would align with many predictions around expansion time. That's B1G money and really makes it the SEC and B1G and then everyone else a distant also ran.
 
This will help put the number into perspective. The Big Ten may top the SEC's total TV take significantly even before BTN is factored in. From an article in Forbes last summer:

"But the real game-changer was television. We estimate that the SEC generated a staggering $347 million in TV money last year. Nearly $300 million of that total came from ESPN between rights fees and the conference’s share of SEC Network profits. The conference-specific network wasn’t projected to generate a profit until its third year, but it well exceeded expectations in its first nine months, kicking off around $112 million for the SEC."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissm...le-conference-in-college-sports/#66efd275349e
 
not a big fan of FOX and their hoops ratings havent been so hot for the Big East games...obviously the Big 10 is more of an attraction but the channel is not the go to default that most people switch on
 
Local Shill said:
CBS only shows a handful of hoops games under the current deal. No football.
CBS Sports Network is not involved at all for either sport.
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This is my point for basketball. If there's a night with 10 games, it stands to reason more would be available under the framework of the future deal than the current one, simply because ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, FOX, FS1, FS2, BTN combine to make up more potential landing spots than ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, CBS, BTN.

Granted, this is still very early in the process so it remains to be seen exactly how everything plays out, but my reasoning for thinking more games could be televised is simply because FOX has more dedicated sports channels than does CBS.
 
So we are potentially looking at a difference in payout between ACC and B1G schools, to be about $200MM a decade?!?

How long does that GOR run through?
 
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not a big fan of FOX and their hoops ratings havent been so hot for the Big East games...obviously the Big 10 is more of an attraction but the channel is not the go to default that most people switch on
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I think you're severely underestimating the B1G product versus the Big East. Lots of very large alumni and fan bases that will find their games on the dial. Comparing Georgetown, Providence, DePaul and Marquette to Nebraska, Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan is like comparing the bodega on the corner to Wegmans and Whole Foods.
 
bac2therac said:
not a big fan of FOX and their hoops ratings havent been so hot for the Big East games...obviously the Big 10 is more of an attraction but the channel is not the go to default that most people switch on
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Obviously Fox thinks they can make money while paying a quarter billion per year, so I guess they are going to try to change the narrative about ESPN being a "default."

The Big Ten championship football game has done very well despite being on a different network than all other regular season big ten games. College sports fans are more channel-savvy than even a decade ago.
 
Wolv RU said:
Another interesting benchmark:

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Compare: FOX pays B1G $250M for 25 FB, 50 MBK. Pac-12 in '19 will get $250M total from FOX & ESPN for 45 FB & 68 MBK
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Damn.... That is drastic....

That said, how do we know we will get $250M for the other half.... I assume if it is up for bid that it might be more or less...? And was ESPN not involved in the first bid? Maybe their bid was $175M and that is what they will want to pay for the other half...?

Just curious, not trying to start anything.... It makes sense that it would be similar though. And maybe purposely done by the BIG10 that way.
 
mosito said:
Damn.... That is drastic....

That said, how do we know we will get $250M for the other half.... I assume if it is up for bid that it might be more or less...? And was ESPN not involved in the first bid? Maybe their bid was $175M and that is what they will want to pay for the other half...?

Just curious, not trying to start anything.... It makes sense that it would be similar though. And maybe purposely done by the BIG10 that way.
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I am guessing a big chuck of this difference is just due to the massive size of Chicago, New York and DC metro markets, all of whom have a sizable Big Ten Alumni network. Minneapolis/St Paul, Milwaukee, Indianapolis provide nice back up metro markets. In contrast, for the Pac-12, while LA is comparable, the backups end up being great cities like San Francisco, Phoenix, Seattle, Portland, Salt Lake and Denver, but even they don't make it to the scale of the three major Big 10 markets in terms of size / reach when you consider metro areas.
 
mosito said:
Damn.... That is drastic....

That said, how do we know we will get $250M for the other half.... I assume if it is up for bid that it might be more or less...? And was ESPN not involved in the first bid? Maybe their bid was $175M and that is what they will want to pay for the other half...?

Just curious, not trying to start anything.... It makes sense that it would be similar though. And maybe purposely done by the BIG10 that way.
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The price is now set. Networks are dying for content. Whether it's NBC, Disney, NFL network, CBS, or a shared partnership, someone will pay.
 
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