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Big Ten Schools ranked academically by US News for 2022-23

Why hilarious? UF is #4 state U behind only UC, UM and UVA.
The gator arrogance extends far beyond academics
They are a powerhouse academically, but continually snub their nose at FSU on that level

Athletically, it's more comedy
Great athletic dept top to bottom, but again, having this faux arrogance towards the Noles
 
If you're a NJ resident and don't want to mortgage your life away with student loans you're uninformed or a dope
If you don’t consider RU. Kids choose schools for different reasons and I understand that but paying 70 thousand /year or much more to leave the state and then to be stuck with loans that tie you down for years from a school that doesn't even rate with RU is nuts in my opinion.
 
If you're a NJ resident and don't want to mortgage your life away with student loans you're uninformed or a dope
If you don’t consider RU. Kids choose schools for different reasons and I understand that but paying 70 thousand /year or much more to leave the state and then to be stuck with loans that tie you down for years from a school that doesn't even rate with RU is nuts in my opinion.
I interview for Rutgers in New England and have placed 20 plus kids at Rutgers who were intent on Maryland or Delaware. Rutgers is far superior academically to both and from my extensive research has its best academic peer in Wisconsin. When I tell kids and parents about the Rutgers Philosophy and History Departments and the burgeoning Business School they are stunned. Really. The Honors College has the 5th highest SAT average in the country! Sorry Penn,Brown and Cornell. It still has weak name recognition and many incredibly mistakes the R for Radford! But,it improves perception wise yearly.
 
That RU/PSU breakout sounds like the breakout of a school like Shawnee/Cherokee/Lenape but 300 kids I’ll go with Moorestown hs.
I think I read somewhere that Rutgers-NB, PSU, and Rowan had the most graduating HS students from Lenape last year. I think they sent a bunch of students to TCNJ, UConn, and Delaware as well.
 
I interview for Rutgers in New England and have placed 20 plus kids at Rutgers who were intent on Maryland or Delaware. Rutgers is far superior academically to both and from my extensive research has its best academic peer in Wisconsin. When I tell kids and parents about the Rutgers Philosophy and History Departments and the burgeoning Business School they are stunned. Really. The Honors College has the 5th highest SAT average in the country! Sorry Penn,Brown and Cornell. It still has weak name recognition and many incredibly mistakes the R for Radford! But,it improves perception wise yearly.
RU Comm School and Mason Gross are also highly regarded and both benefit greatly from the close proximity to NYC/Philly and even DC and Boston. I'd put our Comm School up against anyone, even the overrated Newhouse school.
 
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I love RU (2 degrees), but it appears a few posters are a little bit uninformed on the academic pedigree of certain other schools.
 
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If you're a NJ resident and don't want to mortgage your life away with student loans you're uninformed or a dope
If you don’t consider RU. Kids choose schools for different reasons and I understand that but paying 70 thousand /year or much more to leave the state and then to be stuck with loans that tie you down for years from a school that doesn't even rate with RU is nuts in my opinion.
MY Rutgers College degree cost me under $10k. I was tuition free as my mom was a long time employee of the University and had they let me apply my state scholarship to room and board (vs. turning it back in) it would have been well under $6k. What a racket it has become.

BTW,,nice picture used for Rutgers but they should have shoveled the steps lol.
 
Have to love the photo they used for Maryland. A student walking thru the woods towards a highway.

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When I lived in Los Angeles 15 years ago, USC was considered crap and not to be compared to Cal-Berkley, UCLA and Stanford. I laugh every time I see rankings like this and they are in the Top 25. My assumption is they are paying off the ranking services (and that FSU does the same).



The two most likely Big Ten expansion targets are Stanford and Cal-Berkley (after Notre Dame, and then followed by Virginia and North Carolina). If the Big Ten had any interest in Oregon or Washington, they'd already be in the conference.
You have no idea who the next targets are for BIG expansion nor does anyone on these message boards.
 
Out of curiosity, I looked up the rankings for Oregon and Washington as they are the 2 most likely next B1G targets for expansion, and UW is #55, tied with RU and UMD, and Oregon is #105 and would be 2nd to last ahead of only Nebraska.
UW used to be considered one of the 2nd tier publics after like UCLA, UVA, Michigan, UNC, etc. Now its down in 3rd tier with us.
 
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UW used to be considered one of the 2nd tier publics after like UCLA, UVA, Michigan, UNC, etc. Now its down in 3rd tier with us.
Yeah. You figure Tier 1 for public universities are: Michigan, UCLA, UC-Berkeley, UVA, and UNC. Tier 2 would be Wisconsin, Texas, Florida, Illinois, maybe Georgia Tech. Tier 3 is Rutgers, Maryland, Pitt, Purdue, Minnesota, Washington, OSU, Texas A&M, some of the other UC schools like Irvine or Davis, etc.
 
If we are being honest our peer group from that list is tOSU Purdue, Maryland and PSU. No way NW, Mich, UCLA or USC
Schools slightly better than us Ill and Wisc.

We are better than IU, Michigan St Minny and the rest

Putting aside whether we agree number 55 is appropriate or not
I agree that our academic peers within the B1G are Maryland, PSU, OSU, and Purdue. If you include all Northeast public universities, Pitt is an academic peer of ours as well.
 
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If I remember correctly, Nebraska suffers from not having a medical school associated with the school anymore by rankings. It's part of why they're not AAU. It's considered more "Separate" than at other B1G schools. They also have a high acceptance rate (81%) and a low graduation rate (64%) with a relatively small undergraduate enrollment (20k). They are the only school in the big ten with a graduation rate below 70%, and there are only two others below 80%.

Oregon also does very, very little research compared to its peers. For comparison, Rutgers does more research than the rest of the schools in the state of New Jersey, and we're 3rd from the bottom in the B1G.






It says a lot that you didn't even mention Rutgers Camden or Newark before Stockton. Rowan has excellent engineering, and TCNJ is actually a really nice school; my cousin went there and I think it alternately gets a lot of hate and love.

I used to work in admissions, and you would be amazed at how many students were surprised when they didn't get into RU-NB. "But it was my safety school" isn't going to help you get in.
Nebraska does have a medical school. Indiana shares one with Purdue in Indianapolis (with IU being the lead) and Illinois’ is in Chicago. Maryland’s is in Baltimore. Penn St’s is in Hershey. Separate campuses but combined for AAU, same as RU.

You’re completely wrong about Big10 med schools and AAU.

Grade: F
 
It is Moorestown. Another commitment to Indiana last night. My son says there are at least 4 other kids that he knows of who will go to RU.
I feel like South Jersey kids at public high schools in upper middle class suburbs are more receptive to attending RU-NB (Lenape/Shawnee/Cherokee, Cherry Hill East, Eastern, Haddonfield, Moorestown, etc) compared to North Jersey.
 
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We need to raise the admission standard for our international students since the ranking has been up for years.
All these schools have a massive push to accept first generation and international students.
 
Nebraska does have a medical school. Indiana shares one with Purdue in Indianapolis (with IU being the lead) and Illinois’ is in Chicago. Maryland’s is in Baltimore. Penn St’s is in Hershey. Separate campuses but combined for AAU, same as RU.

You’re completely wrong about Big10 med schools and AAU.

Grade: F

I think the more in-depth answer is simply that without their medical school, Nebraska doesn't pull that same level of federal research dollars.

"He said the AAU's four criteria were unfair disadvantages for UNL because the NU system is organized with separate flagship (UNL) and medical campuses (the University of Nebraska Medical Center). Most AAU institutions have medical schools, which tend to get large amounts of research dollars, Perlman said.
"With UNMC's research included, we would have had research expenditures above many other AAU institutions," he said."

"The AAU dumped Nebraska essentially for two reasons.
First, the University of Nebraska’s medical school is at its Omaha campus, not the flagship campus in Lincoln. So, any federal research dollar, premier faculty member and publication in a prestigious journal from the medical school couldn’t be counted toward Nebraska’s AAU status.
Second, the university focuses heavily on agriculture research, a priority for a land grant institution. But in the eyes of the AAU, most agricultural research is not peer-reviewed, competitive research, so it is “not considered as highly,” AAU spokesman Barry Toiv said, compared with medical and economic research."

So not sure why you're tone is all dismissive. Wouldn't grade myself an F, maybe a B for solid information.

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I feel like South Jersey kids at public high schools in upper middle class suburbs are more receptive to attending RU-NB (Lenape/Shawnee/Cherokee, Cherry Hill East, Eastern, Haddonfield, Moorestown, etc) compared to North Jersey.
Depends on your scope. Kids from Marlboro, Manalapan, Colts Neck, Freehold, Howell, Old Bridge, and East Brunswick probably collectively make up 5-7% of the total enrollment every year. My class alone in Marlboro had upwards of 100-150 kids at Rutgers.
 
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I mean there are only a handful of possibilities and you've gotta thing that UW is one of them.
Agree, but none of us know. I was responding to the one poster that said Cal and Stanford were up next and UW would already be in if the BIG wanted them.
 
That RU/PSU breakout sounds like the breakout of a school like Shawnee/Cherokee/Lenape but 300 kids I’ll go with Moorestown hs.

Upper middle class towns avoid RU like the plague. They’ll go to other mediocre state schools over RU.
 
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I think the more in-depth answer is simply that without their medical school, Nebraska doesn't pull that same level of federal research dollars.

"He said the AAU's four criteria were unfair disadvantages for UNL because the NU system is organized with separate flagship (UNL) and medical campuses (the University of Nebraska Medical Center). Most AAU institutions have medical schools, which tend to get large amounts of research dollars, Perlman said.
"With UNMC's research included, we would have had research expenditures above many other AAU institutions," he said."

"The AAU dumped Nebraska essentially for two reasons.
First, the University of Nebraska’s medical school is at its Omaha campus, not the flagship campus in Lincoln. So, any federal research dollar, premier faculty member and publication in a prestigious journal from the medical school couldn’t be counted toward Nebraska’s AAU status.
Second, the university focuses heavily on agriculture research, a priority for a land grant institution. But in the eyes of the AAU, most agricultural research is not peer-reviewed, competitive research, so it is “not considered as highly,” AAU spokesman Barry Toiv said, compared with medical and economic research."

So not sure why you're tone is all dismissive. Wouldn't grade myself an F, maybe a B for solid information.

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Explain then why the med schools on separate campuses is ok for the other schools I noted ? Med schools in Baltimore, Chicago, Indianapolis and Hershey.
 
I feel like South Jersey kids at public high schools in upper middle class suburbs are more receptive to attending RU-NB (Lenape/Shawnee/Cherokee, Cherry Hill East, Eastern, Haddonfield, Moorestown, etc) compared to North Jersey.

The amount of PSU gear I see in those South Jersey school districts is sickening though.

I’ve definitely seen an uptick in kids/adults wearing PSU gear and downtick in Rutgers gear over the past 5 + years and bet the difference in football play is a contributing factor along with an number of other factors (lots of PA transplants/alums, bandwagon fans, Philly media and the upper middle class white kid/family thinking they belong more at a place like Happy Valley vs. New Brunswick).
 
in 2008 (15 years ago) the University of Southern California was ranked No. 27 among national universities by USNWR, just a spot or two behind UCLA. They have pretty consistently remained in the 20s every year since then, usually relatively close to UCLA. To look at a different ranking using different methodologies, Forbes magazine had USC at No. 21 in the nation last year. While not Stanford or Berkeley (not many colleges are), it is a fine private university. I was today old when I first heard USC referred to as a "crap" school.
I was always under the impression they were, academically, very good.
 
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I interview for Rutgers in New England and have placed 20 plus kids at Rutgers who were intent on Maryland or Delaware. Rutgers is far superior academically to both and from my extensive research has its best academic peer in Wisconsin. When I tell kids and parents about the Rutgers Philosophy and History Departments and the burgeoning Business School they are stunned. Really. The Honors College has the 5th highest SAT average in the country! Sorry Penn,Brown and Cornell. It still has weak name recognition and many incredibly mistakes the R for Radford! But,it improves perception wise yearly.
72 - Do you volunteer as an interviewer or do you work for admissions? I used to do college fairs as a volunteer for RU in NY, but that stopped when Covid began.

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I love RU (2 degrees), but it appears a few posters are a little bit uninformed on the academic pedigree of certain other schools.
Nothing wrong with a little school spirit, right?

Seriously though, most of us know from life experience that it will matter very little where one when to college (with certain exceptions in certain fields). Most of the time we have no idea where 95% of the people we work with graduated from. There is a very short list of schools that have a "Wow!" factor, and most of them are Ivy, mostly because of perception. (All I can think of when I hear a Boston song is "That dude went to MIT!")

There are plenty of smart, savvy kids who graduated from Frostburg State and plenty of oafs who graduated from University of Maryland, College Park. Once they get out into the world they find their level, regardless of the name of the school on their diploma.

In the real world, it matters mostly for sports; the morning after Louisville (#250 or something) wins the basketball title, its graduates are the center of attention in the office, not the Harvard (#1 or something) grads...
 
Nothing wrong with a little school spirit, right?

Seriously though, most of us know from life experience that it will matter very little where one when to college (with certain exceptions in certain fields). Most of the time we have no idea where 95% of the people we work with graduated from. There is a very short list of schools that have a "Wow!" factor, and most of them are Ivy, mostly because of perception. (All I can think of when I hear a Boston song is "That dude went to MIT!")

There are plenty of smart, savvy kids who graduated from Frostburg State and plenty of oafs who graduated from University of Maryland, College Park. Once they get out into the world they find their level, regardless of the name of the school on their diploma.

In the real world, it matters mostly for sports; the morning after Louisville (#250 or something) wins the basketball title, its graduates are the center of attention in the office, not the Harvard (#1 or something) grads...
My firm had a preference for hiring RU grads even though our home office is in NYC--and I will tell you those guys and gals are doing quite well. They are senior vps and one on the board. Our MIT guys do quite well also. Our experience with ex fb players from the Ivies sucked --they were clueless. The Princeton baseball player I hired however did tremendously.My belief is that RU generally creates smart ,hard workers that work well with others. And if you can ,as a RU alumni , please give them a preference .
 
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