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Bullock-elevator pitch to the uninformed (me) why this is good for RU?

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Sell me. Why is this such a good deal/move for RU and the new coach?

Have no clue other than that he has played for a winner, he looks solid size-wise in the pics but the offer list (and I hate when others do this - lol) does not wow.

To be honest I was hoping/thinking he was taller, like 6'8".

G or small F in the B1G?
 
Well I think you have answered your own question. He doesn't really have a position. If he were 6'8" he'd have his pick of name schools and be off the board. Not a can't miss prospect, but has high upside. And many who know his game really like that upside.
 
He's also a guy who will be a hard worker and by all accounts a high character kid open too good coaching.

Not to mention we're getting him now when the options are limited.
 
Doctor Worm said:
Well I think you have answered your own question. He doesn't really have a position. If he were 6'8" he'd have his pick of name schools and be off the board. Not a can't miss prospect, but has high upside. And many who know his game really like that upside.
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I would think the opposite, that being physically developed and undersized that the concern with him is a limited upside. But I still feel it is excellent pickup.
 
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This is what I read...

I am guessing that his weakness is his outside shot because in all the scouting reports they never talk about it...it may be ok but its never talked about as a strength....but that isn't anything new to this team. But supposedly he has a really good first step and lateral quickness good enough to play guard and he creates mismatches at that position because he is a bulky 6'4" and he's physical and can post up almost any guard and many small forwards....basically he's a guard thats almost like having another forward out there...Not saying that he'll be first team Big Ten but any player that can create mismatches can be a weapon with a good enough coach....
 
seels2662 said:
This is what I read...

I am guessing that his weakness is his outside shot because in all the scouting reports they never talk about it...it may be ok but its never talked about as a strength....but that isn't anything new to this team. But supposedly he has a really good first step and lateral quickness good enough to play guard and he creates mismatches at that position because he is a bulky 6'4" and he's physical and can post up almost any guard and many small forwards....basically he's a guard thats almost like having another forward out there...Not saying that he'll be first team Big Ten but any player that can create mismatches can be a weapon with a good enough coach....
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From what I've heard, he is a good outside shooter with extended range from beyond the 3 point line.
 
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In the hands of a non-insightful, uncreative coach ... he is just a weird sized shooting guard

In the hands of an insightful & creative coach, he is a unique talent who will create headaches for opponents - figuratively & literally.
 
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Phil Sellers was 6' 5" and Charles Barkley was 6' 4 3/4". Both of those guys knew how to play around the basket and neither had a good shot. Charles didn't start on his HS team until his senior year. Additionally, he played the PF position in the NBA for many years and played against teams that had PGs taller than him.

I would love to build a team around either of those guys.

http://www.celebheights.com/s/Charles-Barkley-2722.html
 
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ScarletLongIsland said:
ITs funny to read all of the "star system" advocates now are ok with good character kids with zero stars
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Well I think people are realistic about our options at this point. If he can play good D, hustle, give us 5 or 6 points then he's worth picking up. I don't think many here expect to be the next big thing but could be a piece of the puzzle...
 
Still remember when Hill went after lance Thomas and there was another Jersey kid who wanted to come to RU. DaSean Butler went to West Virginia and had a hell of a career there. happy to get this kid and hope he has a solid career here.
 
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shields said:
Still remember when Hill went after lance Thomas and there was another Jersey kid who wanted to come to RU. DaSean Butler went to West Virginia and had a hell of a career there. happy to get this kid and hope he has a solid career here.
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We didn't offer Lance's uncle enough money.
 
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Its good to know that he can shoot. Like I said all the reports that I read never talk about it
 
shields said:
he is the type of kid who goes to Butler and is a star.
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So he should've gone to Butler? Wait, Butler didn't offer. All joking aside, if he plays hard and is fundamentally sound, he will see a lot of playing time. It's more important to know how to use your size than having size.
 
Bullock can help RU....we need more players that can guard, take charges and pass the ball in the front court. As much as "star-gazers" look at things, Bullock is a player we don't have on the roster today....I don't see anyone with his strength/size and willingness to do the dirty work at a HS level, that's needed for college.

If and when the 2nd verbal happens, we will have similar doubts because kids that aren't rated by the system, can't be very good....until you run the tape and watch the kids skill-sets and ask, "do we have a player on the roster that can do that"?? If the answer is "no", then you find a role for the player.

I had a coach tell me years ago, if you have a player that is capable of playing defense or rebound, you have a chance to start and play. There are programs that are built first on defense and rebounding, not a rating system that is designed to project someone's draft capability in the future.

I really like the changes to adding a toughness and more defensive minded players in recruiting. Not everyone needs to be a 25PPG offensive star to improve RU...we need defensive-minded players and let the offense get generated elsewhere on the roster.
 
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NewJerseyHawk said:
Bullock can help RU....we need more players that can guard, take charges and pass the ball in the front court. As much as "star-gazers" look at things, Bullock is a player we don't have on the roster today....I don't see anyone with his strength/size and willingness to do the dirty work at a HS level, that's needed for college.

If and when the 2nd verbal happens, we will have similar doubts because kids that aren't rated by the system, can't be very good....until you run the tape and watch the kids skill-sets and ask, "do we have a player on the roster that can do that"?? If the answer is "no", then you find a role for the player.

I had a coach tell me years ago, if you have a player that is capable of playing defense or rebound, you have a chance to start and play. There are programs that are built first on defense and rebounding, not a rating system that is designed to project someone's draft capability in the future.

I really like the changes to adding a toughness and more defensive minded players in recruiting. Not everyone needs to be a 25PPG offensive star to improve RU...we need defensive-minded players and let the offense get generated elsewhere on the roster.
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How tall was Rashod Kent ? He was a tweener as well, and was a productive player for RU.
 
shields said:
he is the type of kid who goes to Butler and is a star.
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One thing about Butler is they always seem to have tall guards, like Bullock. On their current roster no one under 6'4 gets more than 20 minutes of playing time. Obvioulsy Gordan Hayward's don't grow on trees, but he basically played SG for them at 6'9 while Shelvin Mack ran the show at PG at 6'3 for four years. Both are doing very well in the NBA at the moment.

I like that Bullock is tall and shouldn't have much of a problem getting his shot off (if he really is 6'4). That's the one thing with Sanders. He's listed at 6'2 but really is probably just 6'. If he had another 3-4 inches he might've been one and done. Same problem with all our guards - Goode and Williams are both around 6', even Nigel Johnson for next year is pretty small.

Obviously there are plenty of great players who are 6' and shorter (Sanders certainly has the potential to be great), but you really have to be exceptionally good. It's way easier for 6'4 and taller guys to succeed at the college level.
 
I was talking about Roosevelt jones, real good player for them.
 
RAA-1 said:
Phil Sellers was 6' 5" and Charles Barkley was 6' 4 3/4". Both of those guys knew how to play around the basket and neither had a good shot. Charles didn't start on his HS team until his senior year. Additionally, he played the PF position in the NBA for many years and played against teams that had PGs taller than him.

I would love to build a team around either of those guys.

http://www.celebheights.com/s/Charles-Barkley-2722.html
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Barkley was 6'-6"
 
In seeing Bullock quite a few times I firmly believe he is stronger than any guy on our team right now except for maybe Doorson who missed this past season because of being injured. He also does have range into three point land.
 
RU23 said:
One thing about Butler is they always seem to have tall guards, like Bullock. On their current roster no one under 6'4 gets more than 20 minutes of playing time. Obvioulsy Gordan Hayward's don't grow on trees, but he basically played SG for them at 6'9 while Shelvin Mack ran the show at PG at 6'3 for four years. Both are doing very well in the NBA at the moment.

I like that Bullock is tall and shouldn't have much of a problem getting his shot off (if he really is 6'4). That's the one thing with Sanders. He's listed at 6'2 but really is probably just 6'. If he had another 3-4 inches he might've been one and done. Same problem with all our guards - Goode and Williams are both around 6', even Nigel Johnson for next year is pretty small.

Obviously there are plenty of great players who are 6' and shorter (Sanders certainly has the potential to be great), but you really have to be exceptionally good. It's way easier for 6'4 and taller guys to succeed at the college level.
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It's not just Butler. Most "midwest" schools have very tall guards just ook around the B1G. Last year I broke it down and, IIRC, other than RU there was only 1 school that didn't have 2 starting guards 6'3" or taller with quite a few being 6'4/5" 'ish.
 
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AreYouNUTS said:
It's not just Butler. Most "midwest" schools have very tall guards just ook around the B1G. Last year I broke it down and, IIRC, other than RU there was only 1 school that didn't have 2 starting guards 6'3" or taller with quite a few being 6'4/5" 'ish.
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Yeah I just looked at Butler because they were brought up and they're someone like us that generally doesn't recruit that well star-wise. Don't want to be looking at our guards vs. Syracuse or Kentucky's - that's just a silly comparison to make. Pretty much every good team, though, has taller guards than us.
 
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NewJerseyHawk said:
Bullock can help RU....we need more players that can guard, take charges and pass the ball in the front court. As much as "star-gazers" look at things, Bullock is a player we don't have on the roster today....I don't see anyone with his strength/size and willingness to do the dirty work at a HS level, that's needed for college.

If and when the 2nd verbal happens, we will have similar doubts because kids that aren't rated by the system, can't be very good....until you run the tape and watch the kids skill-sets and ask, "do we have a player on the roster that can do that"?? If the answer is "no", then you find a role for the player.

I had a coach tell me years ago, if you have a player that is capable of playing defense or rebound, you have a chance to start and play. There are programs that are built first on defense and rebounding, not a rating system that is designed to project someone's draft capability in the future.

I really like the changes to adding a toughness and more defensive minded players in recruiting. Not everyone needs to be a 25PPG offensive star to improve RU...we need defensive-minded players and let the offense get generated elsewhere on the roster.
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Hawk, is this second silent commit a big man or another back court player? We really need another body in the paint.
 
Why is this such a good deal/move for RU and the new coach?

Well, It is March 26, 2016 ...
and nationally, a HUGE amount of the class of 2016 prospects are locked up ...
and at the same time, most will agree that Rutgers needs additional talent ASAP -
.... and getting a high-motor, hustling, durable, run-through-walls player with talent would be great .... and if at the same time, it opens the process of attracting recruits from a notable NJ high-caliber prospect producing school ... that would be would be fantastic

Bullock potentially delivers on all of this.
 
AreYouNUTS said:
It's not just Butler. Most "midwest" schools have very tall guards just ook around the B1G. Last year I broke it down and, IIRC, other than RU there was only 1 school that didn't have 2 starting guards 6'3" or taller with quite a few being 6'4/5" 'ish.
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Even EJ knew we needed bigger guards. He said it early on. He just couldn't get any to commit here...
 
RU at the shore said:
Even EJ knew we needed bigger guards. He said it early on. He just couldn't get any to commit here...
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Problem is, it doesn't sound like he has guard skills, certainly not Big Ten level. Where in the world is he going to play? Don't tell me about his teammates. Offer them then if they are the ones that are Big Ten players.
 
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ColonelRutgers said:
Problem is, it doesn't sound like he has guard skills, certainly not Big Ten level. Where in the world is he going to play? Don't tell me about his teammates. Offer them then if they are the ones that are Big Ten players.
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I saw Roselle play St, Anthony for the Parochial B championship and there wasn't any player on their team that had a impressive performance because the defense of Hurley's team was stifling.
 
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Definitely my type of player. I think is difficult to predict what he translates to B1G play. He could be an under the radar player that makes a big impact or a guy who tops out as the 9th/10th player in the rotation.

When you look at a B1G roster these players are really needed. For every 2 of these type of players you need 1 that can individually put the ball in the basket when the shot clock says 4.

I will be curious to see if the bigs he recruits and what skill sets they have. Will he look to have all 5 on the court a threat to knock down a 3? Last year at Stony Brook he had only 3 or 4 players at a time than can shoot it.
 
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