C Hack least qualfied
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I honestly believe Hackenburg CAN be a good QB, but I think Franklin DESTROYED his progress. He'd be much more desired if O'Brien had stayed. Regressed doesn't begin to cover it.
I don't know how many noticed but during his announcement he never once mentioned Franklin. He did mention O'brien but nothing to say about his coach. To me that speaks volumes about their relationship. I am not at all impressed with Franklin as a coach.
I think Hackenburg is the most overrated QB in college football. And I'm not just saying that because I hate TTFP.
Yes, he has a canon for an arm. But he has serious accuracy issues. He'll throw a couple of nice passes followed by throwing one that misses his receiver by 5 yards.
And he has the mobility of a rock. I'll be really annoyed if the Jets or Giants draft him.
Yes, he has a canon for an arm. But he has serious accuracy issues. He'll throw a couple of nice passes followed by throwing one that misses his receiver by 5 yards.
And he has the mobility of a rock. I'll be really annoyed if the Jets or Giants draft him.
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here is the statement..... funny how he goes as far as thanking what appears to be the real little people....and yet, not his coach
click on pic.twitter link
I think he's suffering from PTSD from being sacked 83 times in the past two years. Question is will he recover, and if he does, whether his accuracy and reads were impacted by the PTSD, or are they really that bad?
As far as I'm concerned, nobody deserves the abuse he withstood behind an incompetent PSU oline more than Hack did. He was the star recruit who essentially said he didn't give a rat's ass about the horrendous abuse of boys that occurred at PSU, he would sign up anyway. Karma is a bitch, Hack!
Kind of funny that he thanked Bill O'Brien, who told him the outrageous lie that he would be at PSU for the entirety of Hack's career. It says a lot that he thanked BoB but not James Franklin.
As far as I'm concerned, nobody deserves the abuse he withstood behind an incompetent PSU oline more than Hack did. He was the star recruit who essentially said he didn't give a rat's ass about the horrendous abuse of boys that occurred at PSU, he would sign up anyway. Karma is a bitch, Hack!
Kind of funny that he thanked Bill O'Brien, who told him the outrageous lie that he would be at PSU for the entirety of Hack's career. It says a lot that he thanked BoB but not James Franklin.
Hack sending a lifeline hoping Houston ultimately takes him....he'll have to convince the Houston GM that he's the best player on the board and a lot of teams could make the Texans panic and trade up next spring.
Hack also needs to understand that he really hurt his stock and credibility by roasting Franklin publically. I posted this earlier, but he essentially comes off as entitled, pompous by not taking the high road and at least faking it just a little bit.
NFL GM's are going to grill him non-stop during his interview sessions about not acknowledging Franklin....even if Franklin is a potential turd and terrible coach, if PSU does better next year without the glamour king QB and Hackenburg doesn't turn into Derek Carr, Franklin will come out of this looking even better than he should have.
Hackenberg will have a lengthy opportunity because NFL GM's tend to look at HS and college rankings when evaluations and you don't want to be the GM that passes on Hackenberg to take another QB that is unproven or without the "recruiting ranking-pedigree".....
Hack also needs to understand that he really hurt his stock and credibility by roasting Franklin publically. I posted this earlier, but he essentially comes off as entitled, pompous by not taking the high road and at least faking it just a little bit.
NFL GM's are going to grill him non-stop during his interview sessions about not acknowledging Franklin....even if Franklin is a potential turd and terrible coach, if PSU does better next year without the glamour king QB and Hackenburg doesn't turn into Derek Carr, Franklin will come out of this looking even better than he should have.
Hackenberg will have a lengthy opportunity because NFL GM's tend to look at HS and college rankings when evaluations and you don't want to be the GM that passes on Hackenberg to take another QB that is unproven or without the "recruiting ranking-pedigree".....
He probably realizes that most coaches lie about that sort of thing. I'm not sure kids get nearly as stuck on statements like that as people around here think they do.
He never had time to read a defense....too busy running for his life. However, you are right about the misses.
Running scared at the snap because your line can't protect can affect a QB's whole psyche. Look what happened to Tom Savage when he had no protection.... Happy Feet!
He reminds me of Blaine Gabbert. Same size and looks the part without a pass rush. Stands tall, rocket arm, etc. But gets severe happy feet with a rush - inaccurate and bad decisions.
He is not mentally capable of being a Pro QB. As for his physical abilities, they are effected by his mental handicap. 40 plus sacks per year are as much his fault as it is the lack of line blocking. When he is rushed he responds very poorly to pressure, via bad throws or sacks (holding too long). His only chance of making it in the pros is the fortuitous fact that he is the ~5th best QB in the draft. This means he will not go early with a really poor team but may make it onto a better team with good line blocking, his only chance of making it onto a pro team
(sorry to see him go I was looking forward to having a shot at him with ASH's "NEW" D
(sorry to see him go I was looking forward to having a shot at him with ASH's "NEW" D
Can't say if it's all on Prnn St's OL for Hack seemingly underachieving after his freshman year or the type of offense Franklin ran compared to the O'Brien offense Hack seemed to thrive in as a freshman starter. But the kid has the physical talent to thrive in the NFL, the question is if he's mentally strong enough to be a good NFL QB .
Could be that he IS mentally tough enough for the NFL is and his problems were because of the way Franklin used him and the OL that didn't protect him.
Wouldn't be surprised if he winds being drafted in the middle or late 1st round of the draft, maybe in top ten if he impresses at the combine.
I feel if O'Brien stayed at PSU Hack would have thrived, but BOB couldn't take the interference from the Paterno worshipers and left Penn St for the pros earlier than he planned to leave .
Could be that he IS mentally tough enough for the NFL is and his problems were because of the way Franklin used him and the OL that didn't protect him.
Wouldn't be surprised if he winds being drafted in the middle or late 1st round of the draft, maybe in top ten if he impresses at the combine.
I feel if O'Brien stayed at PSU Hack would have thrived, but BOB couldn't take the interference from the Paterno worshipers and left Penn St for the pros earlier than he planned to leave .
Hack will be successful in the NFL IF he has an good offensive line. There were times when our incompetent line actually gave him time to throw and he STILL held on to the ball only to get sacked. Didn't bother to throw it away either. It was frustrating to watch at times. I think it is mental with him because he wants every throw to be a long pass and it just doesn't work that way, particularly when receivers aren't open downfield. Many of you complained about Laviano not making long throws, well PSU fans complained that Hack couldn't make accurate short ones when necessary. He'd throw at the receiver's feet or have it sail way over his head. I think Hack has shown the ability to escape the pocket to some degree but when he does his accuracy disappears.
With that said, he will still go down as one of the most successful QB's at PSU and with one-on-one instruction with an NFL QB guru (which BOB was for him), he'll fit very well on the right NFL team. He won't have linemen who stand idly by watching defenders blow right by them to get to Hack. The game in Jacksonville began to change when McSorley finally settled in, he was able to escape the pocket and still make an accurate throw. That in no way means he's better than Hack, just a different type of QB that can possibly have more success with a bad line.
I know you guys aren't high on Laviano but he seems to be able to throw an accurate ball out of the pocket. Do you still want Rettig to start now that you have a new staff or you're just happy to have someone else come in and observe them?
I personally think people are making too much of this considering it was not a written statement but a locker room interview. I don't think he even planned to announce at that point as he refused to answer the first time but the reporters persisted and he finally announced. I don't know the relationship he had with Franklin as I've heard differing reports but he didn't thank his parents, his teammates (some who are his best friends), the QB coach on BOB's staff (he was close to). Again, I could be wrong, but I don't think it was a planned announcement and I think he threw out the names that came first to him. O'Brien personally brought him in and they still have a great relationship.
He thanks everyone but Franklin. This wasn't an oversight. He thanks video guys, trainers, his ex coach...
Madhat, that wasn't the reason BOB left PSU. He's already refuted David Jones' article about it and said that Jones' deceitfully led him down that path. Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt that a certain vocal fanbase want nothing to do with anyone not associated with Paterno, but BOB left for fantastic NFL offer. He's made it known that he wanted to be in the NFL again eventually and his successful seasons at PSU gave him that opportunity. And now he's taken his Texans to the playoffs in his second year. There is zero chance he goes back to the college ranks anytime soon (and I don't believe he ever entertained the idea of UMD when's he's making close to 7 mil/year now).
He's Jake Locker 2.0. Highly recruited out of HS and played on a bad team. Put up not even mediocre numbers but bad ones and scouts still "loved him" because he looked the part and had the physical skill set. Only issue is they suck when they're in the game because QB is a much mental as it is physical. These scouts care entirely too much what a player does in shorts and a t-shirt and that's why we generally have big misses in recruiting and in the draft.
Locker was not a "bad" NFL QB but he was made of glass. Hack has at least remained pretty healthy despite getting hit all game. I wanted Locker to succeed as a Titans fan but it was impossible.
I would say Hack is closer to Gabbert. big frame, big arm, not an accurate passer even in college, but scouts thought had the look of an NFL QB and rated him at the top regardless.
I believe if an NFL team is willing to make the investment and develop Hackenburg over a 2 or 3 year period he will be fine. His physical attributes and arm strength can't be questioned which is why I believe he can transition into the pro's. After that it comes down to hard work and a little bit of luck. Does anyone know his projected pick number?
State Penn will be better next year without Hack. It will be the first year that JF gets to choose his QB. I am not criticizing Hack. I just think it was a good fit for either of them. What scares the hell out if me is the recruit they are bringing in, their line will be much improved the next two years.
