From inbound pass to top of the key faced zero pressure…. Then no help for Derkack???
Caden Pierce
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This after three blow-bys that ended in rim-bending dunks.
Number 1in basketball defense…stop the ball!
Their best player had it in his hands. Should have went all out to stop him and make someone else beat you. Just not a smart team
Their best player had it in his hands. Should have went all out to stop him and make someone else beat you. Just not a smart team
guy has like 3 inches and 25 pounds on Jordan and we just sat and watched him go to work for like five dribbles before getting a point blank look. criminal team defense...don't blame Jordan here.
agree that is not on Dercack. whats the kid supposed to do?
it should NEVER have come down to that. the Princeton coach punked Pike all game long.
Agreed!
The final Princeton possession with no pressure resulting in a one-on-one in the paint is on Rutgers coaching.
You need to deny Pierce the ball and double coverage at a minimum. Let someone else try to beat you.
The fact we don't even have a guy that can guard Pierce one on one tells you all you need to know about this team. Derkack played it ok, but shouldn't have been his assignment.
Help defense is about reading the play and basketball IQ… it was a split second reaction Ace didn’t make.
The fact Pierce was given all that free time and space, from inbounds pass all the way to the top of the key was criminal.
It’s imperative the opposing teams best player be pressured or forced to make a decision with the ball…. He can not be given time and space
Team has no bb IQ. Lathan gets doubled and thinks he has to shoot. Ogbole shot the ball over his head at basket. No chance to go in.
At least EOs was an offensive rebound in a ton of traffic, wasn't much he could do. The Ace touching a ball already going through the basket was worse. Even Lathan's shots that went in were forced.
JMac was right there just above and didn't even reach/slide back ..(he otherwise had a pretty good game but as THE defender he is that was not a good effort).
Maybe we just place the blame on Derkack for not stopping Pierce from getting to the rim.
Which RU player did you want to leave their man and help.
I am open to hearing how we should have defended better, but just saying where is the help is being OK with having a perimeter shooter wide open. Watch the highlight and tell me which of the 4 defenders should have left their man and helped.
Caden Pierce is 6'6'' and averages 13 PPG and plays in the Ivy League. Derkack was the defensive player of the year for his conference. To me the bottom line is Derkack did a poor job keeping Pierce from getting to the rim.
Which RU player did you want to leave their man and help.
I am open to hearing how we should have defended better, but just saying where is the help is being OK with having a perimeter shooter wide open. Watch the highlight and tell me which of the 4 defenders should have left their man and helped.
Caden Pierce is 6'6'' and averages 13 PPG and plays in the Ivy League. Derkack was the defensive player of the year for his conference. To me the bottom line is Derkack did a poor job keeping Pierce from getting to the rim.
We have a defense problem. There are 5 players on the court. At some point it comes down to individuals not doing there job. Derkack has been a major disappointment.....Martini rightfully so is in fan's crosshairs, but I can argue Derkack not living up to what he was brought in to do defensively has been more damaging.
Dylan or Ace. Both were effectively face guarding their men when Pierce was taking dribble after dribble in the paint. JWill could've made him give it up as well when he dribbled over to the left elbow. JMike needed to stay on Lee but make someone besides those two beat you.
Bottom line...make him give it up and live with a close out 3 when you are up 1 with short time. Can't allow him to get into the paint and go to work with no resistance.
In an open floor almost no one can stop a guy one on one from getting to the rim. Pierce was bigger than Derkack, he just got backed down. Help needed to come from somewhere.
What was Derkack brought in to do? I had no idea what to expect from him. He seems a smaller, less offensively skilled complete repetitive piece to JWill. Needs ball in hands to be effective. Only strong at the rim, can't shoot. No idea how his D would translate.
Yes. Jwill could have left his man in the corner. That would have been the most logical player to help with both because of location and player guarding.. The result would have been a wide open corner 3, probably that big wouldn't make a basket cut. The proper arguement is what event has the higher probability of success.
I still think Derkack needs to step up and prevent his man from getting in the paint.
That would've been nice. But it's a tough ask I mean Pierce is a grown man. A 14 rebounds, while giving up height type of grown man.
And it's not like this isn't an ongoing problem. Guys get into the paint on us with beyond little resistance all the time. We made that possession into just about as easy of a game winner as you'll see. To me that falls on the entire team, not just Derkack.
Once again, give a good player time and space with no decision making pressure, they will kill you every time.
Time and space in EVERY sport turns average players into good players and good players into great players.
At no time was Pierce’s brain sped up.
Time and space in EVERY sport turns average players into good players and good players into great players.
At no time was Pierce’s brain sped up.
I understand and respect your arguement and am not sure wat I believe.
In hindsight with a timeout left we could have prepared better for the final possession, BUT part of playing Dylan more minutes than you like is needing to utilize your timeouts as rest enhancers.
Had Dylan not ran into a wall of defenders with one second left, he’d have probably drained his shot
Princeton was so good at finding the open guy when the help D collapsed the lane. That’s how Xaivian ended up with 11 assists.
I’ve been thinking a lot about the 22-23 season and how our guys always said how connected they felt. A benefit of having a returning core. Princeton had it. Bama and TAMU had it. We’re still playing like 5 individuals.
what he’s supposed to do in desperation in the iso play is make him go left, to his weak hand and hope for the best. So, bad job by him. Sorry, that should be obvious to any college player.
But yes, he shouldn’t have been on an island in that spot. So it’s also on the coaches.
Dylan has 50 assists and Ace has 7. For the amount of time Ace has the ball in his hands he needs to have more than 7.
The connectedness you mention though is more evident on the DEFENSIVE end.
Pierce is built like a D1 defensive end DerKack like a wide receiver. Someone needed to help Dercack or Ogbole needed to be in game to force a pass out.
Princeton saw this mismatch and took full advantage of it.
GO RU
I agree with this, and we add that generally we help way too much on defense, which puts everyone out of position and is the reason we give up so many open shots and free cuts to the rim. Additionally, our defenders are always expecting help to come, so they too easily let their man get past them. There is basically no accountability for checking your man on defense.
Rutgers should have pressed after Bailey 3 pointer which would have taken time off the clock and then switched to a zone defense forcing a 3 pointer to win versus a easy dribble drive layup which Derkack had no chance of stopping.Rutgers man to man defense stinks regardless if its the first play or last possession of the game.
In theory I agree with all of that...........1 huge problem....how is that diseminated in real time after the Ace make. I think the Bailey make was in front of the RU bench, but that is asking a lot and a huge chance of F up changing things up like that.
Had we had a stoppage of play 100% agree with this sentiment
Agreed he just let him back him down but this all comes down to Pikell wasting the last time out at 54 seconds left after a made basket
That’s just criminal and poor coaching
Princeton came down and had their best player, who was bigger than his defender, get to the paint while other players cleared out, no one helped Derk as it was developing and all could see what was happening. We inbound with 4.5 seconds left and no pressure, instead of letting the ball bounce up court a little it is immediately caught, low IQ awareness by both inbounder and receiver. Then our best player comes down for the shot and gets double teamed. Two different coaches, two different approaches. If we let the inbound bounce twice Ace's layup at the end would have been in time.
You chose not to answer my question. The timeouts are used by Pike when he overplays Harper and Ace as scheduled rest.
Not poor coaching. Calculated decision. You cant kill Pike for giving Harper rest and then kill him for not having timeouts and then kill Harper down the stretch like in st john scrimmage for fading down the stretch.
Not Rich, but let me take a crack at this. There are so many time stoppages in the last 2 minutes that it doesn’t make sense to use a TO at 54 seconds to give the players a rest. If Pike has a TO left inside of 2 minutes he should be saving it for the last couple plays of the game.
Pike and I disagree with you. I respect your opinion though because the added timeout has value and the added rest has value
