Carino on Myles the Monster
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lol... worked well against Nebraska, no?
Doesn't mean he still won't get the lion's share of the minutes, though. If he's still not fully healthy, I could see him getting 23-25 min and then going into 4 more days of recovery before Indiana.
The thread of responses had to do with next year, not next game. If we're talking next game. Then sure. I had to follow it back, but it was a long term discussion
Excellent point BAC, as other than last years Big 10. Tourney, we had not won 2 in a row. I will take it a step further, the game at Penn State is really important to get a win, a road win , but even more so, Indiana will be coming in wounded likely on a 6 game losing streak after they lose to Michigan State , so we would have a chance for a 3 game winning streak.
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D'oh - somehow missed that the discussion was about next year - I think I got confused with the "Mathis @ Penn State" thread, and was focused on the next game. Definitely see Omoruyi starting at the four next year, with Carter backing him up.
Apologies then... can certainly see Gene coming off the bench this weekend
If Caleb plays like Thiam is now in his junior year than yes that would be VERY disappointing indeed. Can't compare a true freshman to a junior with significant starting experience. Come on man
It doesn’t work that way. He is working on his post moves, passing out of the post and o rebounding AND his free throws. He is working on them all of the time. And some dimes his defender is better. And some games he is doubled in the post. And some games he excels at one aspect over the other. That’s basketball.
The game is not played on a spreadsheet
I thought we were talking who should be helping the team right now and not in 2 years.
I keep hearing how Issa shouldn't be playing and the minutes should go to Caleb and Harper. Harper can't play defense right now without fouling and McConnell can't handle the ball vs. B1G guards who smell blood when he is in. Pike tried to get him minutes as the 1 vs. Nebraska, but had to pull him after a few possessions.
Agree with Scanng. Caleb has shown temendous improvement since the beginning of the seaaon and right now he is playing better than Issa (who seems a great kid and whom I dont want to drive out of the program). Caleb is so much more active, so much more a contributor to the offense, something which B1G stats bear out.
Not me. We've had too many bigs trying to shoot outside. Kills our already terrible % and takes a rebounder away from rim. Let the others handle the 3. Just get a good 6 to 10 ft mid range shot and he'll be gold. For now, as posted above just keep doing what he is doing.
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Agreed, but not sure how that relates to my post? Weird response to my comment.
Anyway, you can spend more time on FTs if that is a big hole in your game. FTs are the easiest thing to put extra time into and Myles will be shooting many more FTs than outside jumpers. If I am Myles thats an area of focus. Of course he is working on multiple parts of his game. That's just common sense. Not a big spread sheet guy at all but doesn't take advanced analytics to realize that 50% from the FT line is not good and needs improvement.
Myles will be an absolute monster though. I've been loving him since day one and think he will be one of Rutgers all time great big men
Caleb is better right now and is also younger and a bigger part of Rutgers future. Caleb has struggled at times but he has also looked very good at times as well. Thiam has been consistently bad now for a long long stretch. I didn't say anything for a while bc of #flugate but can't keep blaming it on the flu. He's 20 not 80 it doesn't take this long to bounce back at that age.
Caleb right now is a better at ball handling, shooting, passing, penatrating, perimeter defense, rebounding. Trying think of what skill Thiam is superior at currently and really can't think of one except experience
Sorry. Another disagreement. Add in kids and you have 3 guys providing more overall value. Thiam is doing absolutely nothing.
I would not want a kid here 3 years to be pushed out. At the same time he is not untitled to playing time. It is earned. He's halfway thru year 3 and worse than prior. Sorry. Put up or sit down. Thus is B1G time.
Unfortuantely, Thiam also started to have fouling problems. In the three game stretch that restarted conference play, he committed 8 fouls in just 39 minutes of game time.
As for McConnell not handling the ball well.... Thiam had 8 min against Nebraska and McConnell had 9, but they both managed 1 turnover in that time, even though McConnell handled the ball much more often in those few minutes. Baker also had 4 turnovers in 38 min (1 every 9.5 min of game time), and Kiss had 2 in 18 min (again, 1 every 9 min of game time). Only Mathis was really solid with the ball that game.
That's not saying that Thiam shouldn't play, though - I think the 15 min or so that Pike's been using him is about right, for now, until he starts showing that he's willing to pull the trigger when he gets the ball.
Bottom line is Baker played 38 min vs Nebraska. Pikiell tried to get Caleb minutes at the PG, but realized he couldnt when Nebraska forced him running offense from 35 feet from the basket.
McConnell is more of a liability as the backup PG then Issa is at the 3. If you want to argue Caleb right now should get Issa's minutes at the 2/3 I'd agree right now.
McConnell is more of a liability as the backup PG then Issa is at the 3. If you want to argue Caleb right now should get Issa's minutes at the 2/3 I'd agree right now.
That's more what I'm thinking - having Baker/Mathis/McConnell in the game at the 1/2/3 wouldn't be a bad thing. If McConnell can spell Baker for spot minutes at the point, and still pick up 10 min on the wing, that could work well.
PG: 32 Baker, 8 McConnell
SG: 30 Mathis, 10 Kiss
WF: 20 Harper, 10 McConnell, 10 Thiam
PF: 25 Omoruyi, 15 Carter
C: 25 Johnson, 15 Doorson
I need to see more, but right now I feel like Baker and Mathis get 65-70 minutes (which I wish is less) and Harper with 20. That leaves 30 minutes where in my mind production drops a lot.
I was hoping Harper/Issa with minutes at 4, but we just don’t have enough perimeter players to eat up 130-140 minutes.
Looking at PSU how do we ask Carter or Eugene on one knee to defend Stevens. If Issa or Harper get him that means a lot of minutes for Caleb Issa and Kiss. Not feeling that right now.
I was hoping Harper/Issa with minutes at 4, but we just don’t have enough perimeter players to eat up 130-140 minutes.
Looking at PSU how do we ask Carter or Eugene on one knee to defend Stevens. If Issa or Harper get him that means a lot of minutes for Caleb Issa and Kiss. Not feeling that right now.
Carter and Eugene will both deal with Stevens. No way Issa gets put on a 230lb kid who does the majority of his work within four feet of the basket.
He will get exposed.
I highly doubt Thiam transfers. In fact, I would be upset if he did. No one knows how hard these kids have it. He will be a help to his team going forward, and hopefully graduate with a Rutgers degree!
I like the chances Rutgers has. I hope Eugene O does what is best for himself long term.
PSU turns it over a lot. So has Rutgers. I think Rutgers is in a critical portion of their season where they know winning a couple is not enough, or shouldn't be the goal. No complacency.
Critical portion of a successful rebuild is underway with setting a new expectation among the players about what they want to be, and where they want to go.
Scarlet Armor awaits.
GO RU.
He will get exposed.
I highly doubt Thiam transfers. In fact, I would be upset if he did. No one knows how hard these kids have it. He will be a help to his team going forward, and hopefully graduate with a Rutgers degree!
I like the chances Rutgers has. I hope Eugene O does what is best for himself long term.
PSU turns it over a lot. So has Rutgers. I think Rutgers is in a critical portion of their season where they know winning a couple is not enough, or shouldn't be the goal. No complacency.
Critical portion of a successful rebuild is underway with setting a new expectation among the players about what they want to be, and where they want to go.
Scarlet Armor awaits.
GO RU.
I like this, but I think Carter deserves more minutes. Maybe 5 minutes from Doorson.
That's all approximate - and would be based on foul trouble, matchups, and who's the hot hand.
Right now, I think that the future on the wing could be Harper and McConnell, with Thiam as a "three and D" guy in more limited minutes off the bench.
Next year, we're going to have a crunch at the guard spots... with Mulcahy/Young both pushing for time at the 1/2. I could see McConnell and Harper battling for minutes at the 3, with Kiss and Thiam floating more in an 8-12 min backup capacity.
We said that last year.
Right now on 1/25/2019 we have Baker and Mathis. The other guys either aren’t here yet or haven’t done enough, in my eyes, to show they are regular rotation worthy.
I hope you are right. I wrongly assumed this year we were done with default minutes.
Well, last year we said we'd finally have two deep at each position 1-3, and we do. I think everyone in the rotation right now is a step above Mensah, Bullock, Dadika - and we aren't forced into using a walkon in the guard rotation.
Next year we are approaching 3 deep at each position, with 8 guys fighting for 3 spots on the floor. The question for me is whether we'll get another big into the rotation, because having just 4 bigs for 2 spots is tight.
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