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I have not seen any action from 1st 2 games. Based on the box scores I am concerned about Cliff.

5 pts against BU?

For those who have seen the games what are your thoughts on Cliff so far?
 
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Same player as he’s been for 4 years now. Stats are down right now but they’ll go up after our guards figure out how to get him the ball and run the pick and roll. Noah and Simpson are the bigger disappointments. He probably misses Paul the most.
 
There is an effort issue so far plaus he is frustrated that guards and the entire team are not getting him th ball.

Forget my analysis of his effort, Pike was screaming at him for a full minute during the game to bend his knees and “let’s go”. That isnt something that i am used to seeing
 
I have not seen any action from 1st 2 games. Based on the box scores I am concerned about Cliff.

5 pts against BU?

For those who have seen the games what are your thoughts on Cliff so far?

Defenders packing it in / doubling last night effectively - ball did not come in from the guards effectively and he was also not effective in recognizing the double and moving it out quickly. Resulted in a few turnovers. He as also hurt a bit when he landed badly on a push foul when he was up in the air in the first half. Went back to the locker room for a bit but came back out in the 2nd Half.
 
BU's game plan was to collapse on Omoruyi every time he touched the ball, sending 2-3 guys on him on every touch. He needed to either a) immediately go to the hoop instead of trying begin a post move (he didn't do this), or b) let the defense collapse and kick it to the open man (he tried to do this a bit more, but was getting frustrated). Then our guards just stopped looking for him or sending the ball in at all for long stretches.

In the first half, he took one shot... and it was from the top of the arc.

He also didn't get great position for offensive boards, which would have been good clean-up points outside the normal offensive flow.

BU was also getting very chippy/physical. They shoved him from behind on the one alley-oop attempt, and it was clear they were going to foul instead of giving up post layups. Palmquist was getting battered most of the night, even taking a shot to the throat with no call.

We need guards who can punish teams that double Omoruyi - and Griffiths looks like he can fit that bill in the role Spencer played last year. If Hyatt can be more consistent, that's a second arc option to make defenses pay if they collapse in the paint. I have no idea where Fernandes is, though - he is supposed to be a shooter, but he doesn't shoot. For as much time as he was on the court, he had the emptiest stat sheet I've ever seen at the half.... all zeroes except for one block.
 
BU was also getting very chippy/physical. They shoved him from behind on the one alley-oop attempt, and it was clear they were going to foul instead of giving up post layups. Palmquist was getting battered most of the night, even taking a shot to the throat with no call.
Oskar was getting fed up with it. I counted two separate occasions where he threw a legit karate chop at the BU big’s arm when they were extending their forearm into him to get some separation.
 
Oskar was getting fed up with it. I counted two separate occasions where he threw a legit karate chop at the BU big’s arm when they were extending their forearm into him to get some separation.
To his credit, he fought like hell throughout the game, and didn't back down. Showed some real grit, that hopefully will pay dividends throughout the year.
 
We are learning how to play together right now. I don't think they know how he moves, cuts, etc. That should come with time and like others said, the moment he catches the ball its a double.
 
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We are learning how to play together right now. I don't think they know how he moves, cuts, etc. That should come with time and like others said, the moment he catches the ball its a double.
They have been practicing together for 3 months before the season started, we shouldn’t be playing like these guys don’t know each other . . .
 
I don't think he's 100%, especially after that dirty play by BU last night, being submarined and falling on his back. He's also very frustrated at not getting the ball in good position and then the few times he has, he has fumbled some entry passes. He needs to raise his game, though, as he's capable of much more.
 
Same player as he’s been for 4 years now. Stats are down right now but they’ll go up after our guards figure out how to get him the ball and run the pick and roll. Noah and Simpson are the bigger disappointments. He probably misses Paul the most.
The more shots he takes outside of 5 feet, the less we'll win.
 
Honestly, I don't know where the view that Cliff has improved every year he has been here comes. from. Offensive game still seems very limited both scoring and passing out of the post. A very athletic guy and good defender but I don't think he is made significant progress toward being a legitimate NBA caliber big man prospect.
 
Honestly, I don't know where the view that Cliff has improved every year he has been here comes. from. Offensive game still seems very limited both scoring and passing out of the post. A very athletic guy and good defender but I don't think he is made significant progress toward being a legitimate NBA caliber big man prospect.

Per 40 min:

2020-21: 10.1 pts, 10.6 rb, 1.9 blk
2021-22: 16.6 pts, 10.9 rb, 1.7 blk
2022-23: 17.4 pts, 12.6 rb, 2.8 blk

He has been improving statistically, at least.
 
Honestly, I don't know where the view that Cliff has improved every year he has been here comes. from. Offensive game still seems very limited both scoring and passing out of the post. A very athletic guy and good defender but I don't think he is made significant progress toward being a legitimate NBA caliber big man prospect.
I remember when everyone was afraid he might be one and done.
 
Cliff is being out-worked by weaker players. He still cannot catch a basketball. On top of that, our guards are not playing well...but hard to get a ball to a guy that's not getting open, so maybe they get a pass. Bottom line is the chemistry is not good at this point...why are other teams playing well together and we look like we took the off-season off??
 
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Guard play, guard play, guard play. Pike needs to quickly gets the roles defined, I not sure we have a true 2 guard on the team, if we do he hasn't shown up yet. Fernandes has been totally underwhelming at the point. Its nice when we can get out and run, but the half court game needs to be there when you can't. Scoring or lack thereof and Turnovers guard generated demonstrate the issues.
 
The OP has not even bothered to watch any part of the first two games and wants feedback - Hard Pass dude.
 
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