Do you think the rest of the Big 10 don’t look at our Qb and say they are playing against a QB from a lower lever conference. Success is success, if you can play you can play anywhere. Which is why we got an OL from as you say a lower level conference in the portal last year. Dont sleep on the MAC.
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Don't get me wrong. The MAC is a good conference and I think Cole is a pretty good player. My point is that he doesn't see the week by week grind of playing against top 25 teams.
Let's not over exaggerate top 25 teams. Wagner, Temple, Indiana and BC were garbage. Iowa, Michigan and Nebraska were not good. And Minnesota and Maryland were decent. That leaves 1 in 4 teams as top 25, hardly week by week.
If Buffalo played our schedule they may have won 2-4 games. If we played their schedule we probably win 6-8 games. We definitely didn’t overachieve but you are wrong here. Calling BC garbage and sayjng Buffalo is good makes no sense. Happy for these kids but we need better talent to compete week in and week out. You know this.
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Good point but I was talking about the B1G 10 in general but you're correct.
I'm assuming that you meant to say MSU and not Michigan. But at one point during the season I believe that they were ranked.
Buffalo would have won against Wagner for sure and Temple would have been a pickem. They may have given BC and Indiana a good game. If they had 12 surgeries during the year from the BIG 10 grind they would have struggled to field a team down the stretch. It’s not just talent it’s the depth and we had more than Buffalo but nowhere near enough to withstand 12 surgeries and our grind of a schedule.
You like to think you are on some moral high ground, but you are not very smart or good at this. See how insults and digs work?
Let's go with the narrative that MAC players suck. You do realize that all the players surrounding the QB suck on offense too? So, according to your narrative, it is sucky players on offense against sucky players on defense--the same level of talent. And Cole excelled in his first year at QB.
We have knuckleheads comparing him to a fifth year QB. You do know development takes time? That is a foreign concept here because the last time we saw QB development was 2014. That is reality. Sorry if you don't want to accept it.
And talk about downers, you just insulted our team.
None of this makes any sense based I. What I said. You’re losing it bro. You called yourself a downer a few posts ago so I was just agreeing with you but sorry if that upset you. I’ll delete it for you.
I don’t blame anyone for dropping a level when they know they can start. The MAC has some great players. They could not survive in the BIG. Buffalo lost to teams that Temple, Indiana and BC would beat. 6 teams to be exact. They beat teams that we would beat easily. I take back what I said above. We would have won 8-11 games against the Buffalo schedule. They played one P5 team all year. Even you were saying how great we looked when we started 3-0. The BIG is a grind. The great Jerry Kill only managed to get us to 4-8 with an NFL RB carrying the load. It’s a grind. The BIG has helped us in every sport except the one that got us in. It’s been tough to say the very least. Let’s not pretend we win a lot more games with guys who dropped to get playing time.
PS - agree with you always on QB development and how it takes time. Read my posts in every thread I am consistent on that issue. I never said anyone in the MAC sucked. Ever.
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Come on now. We both know that Ohio St. and Michigan wouldn't be in the top half of the MAC.
Ok because you know I am sensitive about my MAC😂. Go Rockets
I understand your point but I saw a lot of QBs make terrible passes all game. Including the kid from Wisky who dropped it right into the defender while inside OSU's 30 or so and blew a scoring chance.
This was his first full year of consistent play time. He's got two more I believe. We'll see. Anywho. As I mentioned having a guy like Marshal catching balls doesn't hurt. He had time and guys got open. That helps too.
QB development and taking time-the difference is that at Rutgers there is no development. Seems to have been a black hole for a long time, and that trend alarmingly has continued 2020-22. What exactly were Gleeson and then Nunzio doing with the QBs? Simon has been at RU since 2020. Gavin since 2021. What development has been imparted to them? Nothing visible. And the staff up until now does not appear to have a clue on QB selection. It appears that they had planned to go with Noah this year until he injured his hand.
Hoping for a home run hire at OC, and that he is allowed to run the offense without meddling.
Great success for him.
If played this season for us we win one more game and gives us some hope for next season. ( versus none now)
If played this season for us we win one more game and gives us some hope for next season. ( versus none now)
didn't say they had a good game, just pointed out against the Turtles Snyder didn't play as great as you imply he is.
Cole is a real good mid major player, but might not play the same in the B1G and have posters here trying to show the QBs that got away as ones that are better than every QB on the present roster.
But Cole Snyder deserves our applause for picking the right program to fit his talent and playing well for that program.
Buffalo had their share of injuries at RB, including the starter going down early yesterday, so their main back in the bowl game was a walk-on.
Aaron Murray (former UGA QB) was the color commentator in the game. At one point, he suggested the DBs should take a lot of reps from a Jugs machine to practice catching the ball, along with dropping the "that's why they're on the defense" comment. You always wonder on those plays if it was a QB or WR making the wrong read that ends up putting a ball in a defender's lap for a possible pick.
Aaron Murray (former UGA QB) was the color commentator in the game. At one point, he suggested the DBs should take a lot of reps from a Jugs machine to practice catching the ball, along with dropping the "that's why they're on the defense" comment. You always wonder on those plays if it was a QB or WR making the wrong read that ends up putting a ball in a defender's lap for a possible pick.
Wrong. He was 21/31, 1 TD/0 INT at his time here, that doesn't stink, we would take that every game here.
I wouldn’t say that we can’t develop QB’s, because look at Snyder’s success and athletic ability he has shown this year and he is a product from our development system. Where I think we go wrong is settling for mediocre in a my guy system. Cole has proven this year he has talent, but the concerning factor is why did our coaching staffs settle for mediocrity instead of getting him ready to play with game experience. There were plenty of opportunities, going all the way back to the Nunzio era? Also, look at what we did with musical chair QB early this season…how can our QB’s develop and be successful under this scenario? We haven’t named a #2 for two years straight now and I am not sure we even named a #1 this year….a QB needs to know that the Coaches trust and believe in them and they won’t be pulled and sitting the bench if they make a mistake! This mentally is not going to ever develop a successful QB, no matter how talented the (QB) athletes are, just my opinion!
Noting: How does the team rally around their QB1 and their offensive leader, when no one knows who that is? The players are suppose to believe and entrust their QB1, but the coaches don’t? This is just polar opposite of the culture Schiano preaches and maybe why the team isn’t progressing after 3-years!
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I won't claim that Cole was developed by the RU staff.
He had the talent to thrive in the environment he went to and the Buffalo staff
made the best of his talent.
It's been awhile since one can say RU can make a QB recruit a good one with it's development process, but a few that transferred out have done fairly well after leaving RU and going to a non P-5 program.
So if RU is developing it's QB crop, the development is useful in a non P-5 setting , but looks like it falls a bit short in a P-5 one
Enough with this level BS, If a QB can process quickly, read progression, move well in the pocket, read defenses to make good decisions, proper footwork and can use his feet….he can find success at any level! The only difference is the size and athletic ability of the players around him and an offense/coaching staff that put him in the position to thrive! Watching Cole this season, he seems to be a great leader and he has excelled in most of these skill categories, so I expect to see him achieve a lot of success over the next two years.
He would be the best QB on our roster right now hands down. Another one slips away under Greg.
According to who? Schiano the Offense Genius ????…. LMAO
The guy who let Tom Savage leave, who went to Pitt and threw for 2,958 yards, 29 TDs and 9 INTs under Paul Chryst. The only RU QB that played in the NFL after Ray Lucas.
Greg wold be smart to hire Paul Chryst as OC and let him run the offense. He seems to know something about QBs.
I really don't understand many of the posts in this thread. It's great for Cole Snyder that he did so well. I believe the posters here who say he's a great guy, so I'm happy he did so well. Maybe our coaching staff underestimated his ability. His performance in this bowl game indicates that might have been true. But it sure doesn't prove it. The MAC is just a different level than the Big Ten. Doing well there does not guarantee he'd do well here, just as performance at even the top minor league level does not prove that a baseball players will succeed in the majors. To take an example, I don't think that any receiver in the Big Ten would have been open as much as Snyder's receiver was on the TD pass shown above, so it would have been a more difficult throw.
I have absolutely no quarrel with Cole Snyder for transferring. Players want to play. Buffalo is academically a fine school -- not Rutgers, perhaps, but nothing to sneeze at. He made the right decision for himself, and more power to him for that.
I have absolutely no quarrel with Cole Snyder for transferring. Players want to play. Buffalo is academically a fine school -- not Rutgers, perhaps, but nothing to sneeze at. He made the right decision for himself, and more power to him for that.
McMahon I believe was after Lucas and played.
Much of that was Savage and or his father and girlfriend.
Fair enough on McMahon--but the point stands on Schiano and QBs, regardless of Savage's decision.
Come on, just admit your statement was wrong. As to your new comment, Cole was recruited under Ash, Simon under Schiano, might have been some bias involved both to prove Schiano brought in better players and go with the younger guy when you have 8 years to get it right.
You are a total idiot.
He threw 31 passes while at Rutgers. That's not enough of a body of work to make a determination, unless you have an agenda.
With that said, he was 21/31 for 165 yards with 1 TD and 0 INTs. Not a bad stat line in limited action. But go on with your silly crusade.
Ya, your right….we all saw that he was the best QB in all three spring games he participated in and had the best game stats of all the QB’s!
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