This site thought he was locked up? Maybe he fits in at da U?Wonder if the increased buy out was the problem. Wouldn't be for Miami.
Not a legendary takeThis site thought he was locked up? Maybe he fits in at da U?
Wouldn't be for Miami because they didn't just hand out a $500K raise to their OC?
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An even less legendary reply.Not a legendary take
Agreed. For longer term job stability, Rutgers was probably a better choice, but perhaps Rutgers has their sights set on someone else, and they need to wait to make the announcement.Miami is still seen as a good job/destination. They were one game out of the playoff this year. Don’t think the KC extension had an impact, but who knows?
He received a raise and his contract extended to 2026 in Dec. of 24 , but super Mario must have given Cory an offer he couldn't refuseAn even less legendary reply.
He was referred to as locked up. Guess he was not so locked up, was he?
Completely different buy out of his contract if he went in conference vs out. We're talking millions.Interesting move. We didn't offer? The weather? His wife did not like Piscataway? Corey moves from one former Greg assistant to another.
And Mario has 7 more years on his $80 million/10 year contract.Completely different buy out of his contract if he went in conference vs out. We're talking millions.
Besides that, Miami spent a bazillion dollars on their roster, had a top 3 pick QB, had a schedule with 1 barely top 25 team and still couldn't make the ACC Championship game, let alone the playoffs. They'd be better off spending their money on trying to invent a time machine to take themselves back to the late 80's early 90's.
Calm down. And with all that they still recruited CH to be their DC. The job may still have some appeal.Completely different buy out of his contract if he went in conference vs out. We're talking millions.
Besides that, Miami spent a bazillion dollars on their roster, had a top 3 pick QB, a schedule with 1 barely top 25 team and still couldn't make the ACC Championship game, let alone the playoffs. They'd be better off spending their money on trying to invent a time machine to take themselves back to the late 80's early 90's.
Completely different buy out of his contract if he went in conference vs out. We're talking millions.
CH had a buyout of $2.4 million if he left for a B1G school & $600 thousand if he left for any other conference or the NFL . Minnesota knew that RU was coming for him but didn’t think any other conference was interested
Same here and I'm sure we missed him but the injuries had a much bigger impact than his departure. In 2023 we had 3 guys who are considered high level DC's if you count Schiano. All high energy guys who got the D fired up too. But it's hard to get a guy playing hurt to get too fired up and play "violent" every snap. Much easier when everyone is healthy. Plus we had a lot of missed assignments this year with new guys forced into action.Would have liked him at RU. Seems to truly have been the difference in our defensive coaching as the Dark Side.
Same exact job in frigid Minnesota or sunny Miami ?
Easy decision
Easier to make your defense look good and rank higher nationally when there is lack of competition. Minnesota week in week out has less or equal talent as their B1G competition. Miami in conference only is equal or behind one program talent wise.Big Ten job a stepping stone for an ACC job?
Injuries played a part in it, but if you dig deep, the style and the way the defense was called were not the same. Hetherman was much more aggressive than Harasymiak, and I'm not talking strictly blitzing. Hetherman was aggressive in taking away what teams wanted to do on offense, while Harasymiak played a more read-and-react style. Harasymiak gave up plays in the flats because he was more concerned with getting beat deep. Hetherman didn't want to get beat deep either, but the minute the ball was in the air to a receiver in the flat area, the corners rallied quickly to keep gains to a minimum. How often did you see a simple play in the flat turn into a 40 gain under Harasymiak's leadership? I think Hetherman held the players more accountable. Therefore, guys played at a higher level. How else do you explain a player like Igbinosun who looked like a baller one year but, under Harasymiak, had to be replaced? Players don't fall off a cliff at this stage of their playing career. It has more to do with who is coaching them, how they are held to a certain standard, and how motivated they are to play for their leader.Same here and I'm sure we missed him but the injuries had a much bigger impact than his departure. In 2023 we had 3 guys who are considered high level DC's if you count Schiano. All high energy guys who got the D fired up too. But it's hard to get a guy playing hurt to get too fired up and play "violent" every snap. Much easier when everyone is healthy. Plus we had a lot of missed assignments this year with new guys forced into action.
Based on the recruiting class and the portal additions I'm guessing recruits are buying in on the Defensive side of the ball.
Agreed. Very well articulated!Injuries played a part in it, but if you dig deep, the style and the way the defense was called were not the same. Hetherman was much more aggressive than Harasymiak, and I'm not talking strictly blitzing. Hetherman was aggressive in taking away what teams wanted to do on offense, while Harasymiak played a more read-and-react style. Harasymiak gave up plays in the flats because he was more concerned with getting beat deep. Hetherman didn't want to get beat deep either, but the minute the ball was in the air to a receiver in the flat area, the corners rallied quickly to keep gains to a minimum. How often did you see a simple play in the flat turn into a 40 gain under Harasymiak's leadership? I think Hetherman held the players more accountable. Therefore, guys played at a higher level. How else do you explain a player like Igbinosun who looked like a baller one year but, under Harasymiak, had to be replaced? Players don't fall off a cliff at this stage of their playing career. It has more to do with who is coaching them, how they are held to a certain standard, and how motivated they are to play for their leader.
Ehh, what do you know? 😜 Joking. I hate revisiting plays, but would Hetherman have called the defense on the last Illinois TD differently? IIRC, RU was in some sort of zone defense, leaving their leading WR uncovered. If we won that game, we could have seen Greg getting a Dukes Mayo bath.Injuries played a part in it, but if you dig deep, the style and the way the defense was called were not the same. Hetherman was much more aggressive than Harasymiak, and I'm not talking strictly blitzing. Hetherman was aggressive in taking away what teams wanted to do on offense, while Harasymiak played a more read-and-react style. Harasymiak gave up plays in the flats because he was more concerned with getting beat deep. Hetherman didn't want to get beat deep either, but the minute the ball was in the air to a receiver in the flat area, the corners rallied quickly to keep gains to a minimum. How often did you see a simple play in the flat turn into a 40 gain under Harasymiak's leadership? I think Hetherman held the players more accountable. Therefore, guys played at a higher level. How else do you explain a player like Igbinosun who looked like a baller one year but, under Harasymiak, had to be replaced? Players don't fall off a cliff at this stage of their playing career. It has more to do with who is coaching them, how they are held to a certain standard, and how motivated they are to play for their leader.
Is it possible that Fleck could move on to the NFL, and the Miami job gives more security to Hetherman?Easier to make your defense look good and rank higher nationally when there is lack of competition. Minnesota week in week out has less or equal talent as their B1G competition. Miami in conference only is equal or behind one program talent wise.
Not sure what you're saying here. Joe H called the D here the last 2 years. One year he had a healthy and talented team. Last year we were talented but hurt all year. Do you think Joe changed his style because the Lber coach left or because our most talented guys either graduated, were out for the year or played at 70% plus missed some games?Injuries played a part in it, but if you dig deep, the style and the way the defense was called were not the same. Hetherman was much more aggressive than Harasymiak, and I'm not talking strictly blitzing. Hetherman was aggressive in taking away what teams wanted to do on offense, while Harasymiak played a more read-and-react style. Harasymiak gave up plays in the flats because he was more concerned with getting beat deep. Hetherman didn't want to get beat deep either, but the minute the ball was in the air to a receiver in the flat area, the corners rallied quickly to keep gains to a minimum. How often did you see a simple play in the flat turn into a 40 gain under Harasymiak's leadership? I think Hetherman held the players more accountable. Therefore, guys played at a higher level. How else do you explain a player like Igbinosun who looked like a baller one year but, under Harasymiak, had to be replaced? Players don't fall off a cliff at this stage of their playing career. It has more to do with who is coaching them, how they are held to a certain standard, and how motivated they are to play for their leader.
You could be right. I would like to hear from Powell Sr on his son who played hurt all year. I wouldn't call that kid lazy. Same with Dixon and Beam. I saw a lot of missed tackles by guys who made sure tackles for their whole career. I thought it was playing hurt but could be wrong. But I won't call any of those guys lazy. Who am I sitting on my couch to call these kids lazy.Agreed. Very well articulated!
It comes to accountability. Your last sentence pretty much sums up a season long conversation I had with my brothers. The level of talent (hurt or not) does not fall off the way it did this year. Players don’t forget technique players don’t abandon fndamentals, players don’t forget pursuit angles. But they do get “lazy” (may not be the best word) if they are not held accountable. And this year you can tell there was less motivation and position group accountability.
Wasn't referring to any of the people you listed in my comment. And that is why I say "Lazy" is probably not the right word. Lazy in scheme, responsibility and a mentality was what I was referring not necessarily effort level.You could be right. I would like to hear from Powell Sr on his son who played hurt all year. I wouldn't call that kid lazy. Same with Dixon and Beam. I saw a lot of missed tackles by guys who made sure tackles for their whole career. I thought it was playing hurt but could be wrong. But I won't call any of those guys lazy. Who am I sitting on my couch to call these kids lazy.
Also not sure what Doug was saying about the play of Iggy dropping under JH as Cory coached Line backers & JH took over the Line Backers when Cory left but Iggy was a safety not a line backer. I also think Iggy was always overhyped as he took bad angles & missed tackles his whole careerNot sure what you're saying here. Joe H called the D here the last 2 years. One year he had a healthy and talented team. Last year we were talented but hurt all year. Do you think Joe changed his style because the Lber coach left or because our most talented guys either graduated, were out for the year or played at 70% plus missed some games?
You may have inside info I do not but Corey H was an up and coming coach for us. Loved him and would love having him back but Joe H and Schiano were here both years. In the pecking order Corey was #3 but I thought they all coached like their hair was on fire which I loved. I think Schiano is huge on accountability. That should not have changed unless NIL had a hand in it.
Not sure what you're saying here. Joe H called the D here the last 2 years. One year he had a healthy and talented team. Last year we were talented but hurt all year. Do you think Joe changed his style because the Lber coach left or because our most talented guys either graduated, were out for the year or played at 70% plus missed some games?
You may have inside info I do not but Corey H was an up and coming coach for us. Loved him and would love having him back but Joe H and Schiano were here both years. In the pecking order Corey was #3 but I thought they all coached like their hair was on fire which I loved. I think Schiano is huge on accountability. That should not have changed unless NIL had a hand in it.
Also not sure what Doug was saying about the play of Iggy dropping under JH as Cory coached Line backers & JH took over the Line Backers when Cory left but Iggy was a safety not a line backer. I also think Iggy was always overhyped as he took bad angles & missed tackles his whole career
I would say losing Toure was a catastrophic blow, especially when you see how well he played against Miami. This was compounded by Powell’s injury, as he seemed to be hindered significantly, and never was 100%. Hetherman was lucky that be was coaching two all conference caliber LBs.The LB play fell way off from last year and contributed a lot to the poor defensive showing in addition to injuries. The loss of Deon Jennings who was an excellent LB for RU was a major factor. He never was out of position and a sure tackler in space. Mo Toure’s injury was a big blow. The younger LBs this year seemed to be in over their heads at times. Out of position and in wrong gaps. Coverage of RBs out of the backfield was poor. I’m sure Heatherman’s absence played a role.
I don't think Hetherman gets those guys to play at the same level as Powell, Toure, or Jennings, but the level of play should have been better. The drop-off should never be that dramatic. The attention to detail is clearly a problem. How do you explain how the same play is snuffed out one year, and the following year, it is never addressed? Teams ran the same play with great success, which was inexcusable. Harasymiak was the DC, but sometimes you need a lieutenant to watch your back because you can be exposed. Hetherman did precisely that.I would say losing Toure was a catastrophic blow, especially when you see how well he played against Miami. This was compounded by Powell’s injury, as he seemed to be hindered significantly, and never was 100%. Hetherman was lucky that be was coaching two all conference caliber LBs.
In their stead #4, #28, and #2 struggled mightily. This is where the biggest problems were. Would they have played better if Hetherman were here? Doug seems to think so, but I struggle with this, and am not sure.
I agree all around. Last year Djabome was an afterthought but showed promise. This year he was our leading tackler because of injuries and the graduation of Jennings. That's college football. Teams can get young our old year to year. A coach like CH can make a difference too as Buff said.The LB play fell way off from last year and contributed a lot to the poor defensive showing in addition to injuries. The loss of Deon Jennings who was an excellent LB for RU was a major factor. He never was out of position and a sure tackler in space. Mo Toure’s injury was a big blow. The younger LBs this year seemed to be in over their heads at times. Out of position and in wrong gaps. Coverage of RBs out of the backfield was poor. I’m sure Heatherman’s absence played a role.