Curious re: NJ to RU De-Commits and Late NJ Commits Elsewhere

[AreYouNUTS]

Who has the time and patience to do a breakdown over say, the last 6 years or so, of which kids made it at the schools they ended up signing at? Did they last all 4 years? Did they quit football? Did they transfer back here or to another school? Did they transfer down? Would be an interesting take IMHO.

Greatly appreciate the person who takes on this task!

 

[Rush4]

In all things in life, there are Believers and non-believers.

Believers stay together.

 

[Fishky]

Who has the time and patience to do a breakdown over say, the last 6 years or so, of which kids made it at the schools they ended up signing at? Did they last all 4 years? Did they quit football? Did they transfer back here or to another school? Did they transfer down? Would be an interesting take IMHO.

Greatly appreciate the person who takes on this task!

I could have sworn the Mods had done something similar on this in the past, I seem to remember an article assessing and talking about prior RU guys who decommited and who actually returned or didn't make it at the school they went to. I could be wrong but I remember reading it before with players like Hester and the other guy's we missed on. Of course the older I get the harder it is to remember reality from fiction.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

I could have sworn the Mods had done something similar on this in the past, I seem to remember an article assessing and talking about prior RU guys who decommited and who actually returned or didn't make it at the school they went to. I could be wrong but I remember reading it before with players like Hester and the other guy's we missed on. Of course the older I get the harder it is to remember reality from fiction.

Okay thanks. Me personally, I have a feeling a few of the NJ kids from this class will be headed back this way (especially the ones on their way to Waco...) sooner or later, which is what got me thinking about this thread.

 

[ponyfoot19]

I know there are few absolutes in life and in recruiting, but as a head coach, I would not take a player who decommitted from RU and subsequently wanted to transfer into the program. I would want to eliminate being seen as a safety program.

 

[RU31trap]

Who has the time and patience to do a breakdown over say, the last 6 years or so, of which kids made it at the schools they ended up signing at? Did they last all 4 years? Did they quit football? Did they transfer back here or to another school? Did they transfer down? Would be an interesting take IMHO.

Greatly appreciate the person who takes on this task!

I remember in 2007 and 2008 something like what you're suggesting was done and in great detail and at the end of the day it did not bode well for Rutgers. If my memory serves me right it included Knowshon Marino, Will Hill, Kamara, Ragone and others. Also, remember that a kid who is above par at one of the powerhouse schools and conferences would have been a superstar at RU and the BE. Coaches and recruiters use the same philosophy to these kids.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

But at the end of the day a true competitor wants notoriety and respect.

I can see wanting to try to be the best... beat the best.

But you "want notoriety"? Why?

I think the vast majority of this "trading up" phenomena stems from fear. Football is a team sport and they fear being on losing teams. And you get some kids who want and really NEED to get away from New Jersey. For some, being close to home and your home town crew is a danger. Better to get some distance.

On the HS level in New Jersey you have kids flocking to the parochial schools. When you pair winning programs with better education and the condition of some NJ HSs.. I can see that. But you also have kids moving from perfectly fine suburban regional schools to parochials... and not for the religious training. They show no attachment to their communities, the friends they grew up playing with. They are too good for their hometown high school football teams.

Parents think its okay for their kids to commute over an hour, 1-way, to high school... or to go live with their coaches. Its nuts.

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

Can't do a breakdown of RU decommits or do it by timing of commitment, but here is how NJ kids have done after committing to PSU over the past six years:

2011
A. Mangiro, B. Belton (spent entire career at PSU)

A. Alosi (was suspended indefinitely following an assult charge, initially stayed at Penn State but ended up at Monmouth I believe)

2012
J. Pollard (transferred to RU post-sanctions)

A. Johnson, W. Laurent (spent entire career at PSU)

2013
G. Sickels, B. Bell (spent entire career at PSU)

B. Mahon (still at PSU)

2014
S. Blacknall, M. Gesicki, J. Cabinda (still at PSU)

A. White (transferring to Albany)

2015
J. Johnson, M. Bowen, I. Charles, S. Gonzalez (still at PSU)

D. Kelly (dismissed from team, transferred to UMass)

2016
W. Fries (still at PSU)

 

[RU31trap]

I can see wanting to try to be the best... beat the best.

But you "want notoriety"? Why?

I think the vast majority of this "trading up" phenomena stems from fear. Football is a team sport and they fear being on losing teams. And you get some kids who want and really NEED to get away from New Jersey. For some, being close to home and your home town crew is a danger. Better to get some distance.

On the HS level in New Jersey you have kids flocking to the parochial schools. When you pair winning programs with better education and the condition of some NJ HSs.. I can see that. But you also have kids moving from perfectly fine suburban regional schools to parochials... and not for the religious training. They show no attachment to their communities, the friends they grew up playing with. They are too good for their hometown high school football teams.

Parents think its okay for their kids to commute over an hour, 1-way, to high school... or to go live with their coaches. Its nuts.

You make great points and my example (which I removed) may not apply because one is a team sport verses an individual sport. At the end of the day many factors go into why elite athletes pick one school over another. Why did Dwayn Jarrett (sp) go to USC? Why did Knowshon Marino go to Georgia? We can go on and on. I think it comes down to image and RU needs to demonstrate that it's serious about winning at a high level. Why is PSU, MICH. and OSU successful at poaching some of our best athletes? Because they're not just interested in winning games, but interested in winning championships and that resonates with exceptional high school athletes. When Ash tells a kid we want to win a championship at Rutgers he has nothing to backup that comment.

 

[RutgersROB]

I remember in 2007 and 2008 something like what you're suggesting was done and in great detail and at the end of the day it did not bode well for Rutgers. If my memory serves me right it included Knowshon Marino, Will Hill, Kamara, Ragone and others. Also, remember that a kid who is above par at one of the powerhouse schools and conferences would have been a superstar at RU and the BE. Coaches and recruiters use the same philosophy to these kids.

Was will hill and knowshon moreno committed here

 

[czxqa]

Was will hill and knowshon moreno committed here

Not for a second.

 

[IvyLeagueFootball]

4* Josue Matias was a 3 year starter at Florida State but Rutgers did get Kaleb Johnson (committed on 2/2) to fill his spot

 

[CERU00]

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Not for a second.

There is a lot of wrong in this thread...

 

[RU31trap]

Was will hill and knowshon moreno committed here

No, but we were aggressively pursuing both athletes. What they did was sort of "where are they today"on a particular class and compared theses Jersey kids to the ones who committed to RU.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

I can see wanting to try to be the best... beat the best.

But you "want notoriety"? Why?

I think the vast majority of this "trading up" phenomena stems from fear. Football is a team sport and they fear being on losing teams. And you get some kids who want and really NEED to get away from New Jersey. For some, being close to home and your home town crew is a danger. Better to get some distance.

On the HS level in New Jersey you have kids flocking to the parochial schools. When you pair winning programs with better education and the condition of some NJ HSs.. I can see that. But you also have kids moving from perfectly fine suburban regional schools to parochials... and not for the religious training. They show no attachment to their communities, the friends they grew up playing with. They are too good for their hometown high school football teams.

Parents think its okay for their kids to commute over an hour, 1-way, to high school... or to go live with their coaches. Its nuts.

You don't go to Bosco, Joes or SPP because you're afraid of going to your local public.

That is an absurd a statement as ever has been made here.

It's not 1960 anymore. The lack of attachment to a community now begins in grade school with "elite" training academies in soccer, baseball, wrestling, lax, basketball, hockey and swimming.

Kids are free agents as early as 2nd grade now