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Defense lost 5 NFL Draft Picks

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  • Toure
  • Powell
  • Longerbeam
  • Rogers
  • Lewis
Certainly not an insignificant number of defenders. Losing 1 or 2 is bad enough. Losing 5 is Catastrophic, because its 45% of our defense. Their replacements will continue to do the best they can, but it won't be easy because they have learning curves, and are getting acclimated to this level of play. Not a coincidence that after Lewis went down, their back kept bouncing out to Lewis' side for big gains.

Not only are we losing these players, we're losing their experience, their maturity, their leadership, and the time they spent developing. Intangibles that are impossible to quantify. Some of the replacements are reacting to what they see, rather than instinctively positioning themselves to make the play. Lots of tackles are happening downfield, rather than in the backfield, for a TFL. So we just have to be patient, while the newbies develop. What other choice do we have?
 
  • Toure
  • Powell
  • Longerbeam
  • Rogers
  • Lewis
Certainly not an insignificant number of defenders. Losing 1 or 2 is bad enough. Losing 5 is Catastrophic, because its 45% of our defense. Their replacements will continue to do the best they can, but it won't be easy because they have learning curves, and are getting acclimated to this level of play. Not a coincidence that after Lewis went down, their back kept bouncing out to Lewis' side for big gains.

Not only are we losing these players, we're losing their experience, their maturity, their leadership, and the time they spent developing. Intangibles that are impossible to quantify. Some of the replacements are reacting to what they see, rather than instinctively positioning themselves to make the play. Lots of tackles are happening downfield, rather than in the backfield, for a TFL. So we just have to be patient, while the newbies develop. What other choice do we have?
We're used to being patient. What are we on, the 10 year plan now?
 
  • Toure
  • Powell
  • Longerbeam
  • Rogers
  • Lewis
Certainly not an insignificant number of defenders. Losing 1 or 2 is bad enough. Losing 5 is Catastrophic, because its 45% of our defense. Their replacements will continue to do the best they can, but it won't be easy because they have learning curves, and are getting acclimated to this level of play. Not a coincidence that after Lewis went down, their back kept bouncing out to Lewis' side for big gains.

Not only are we losing these players, we're losing their experience, their maturity, their leadership, and the time they spent developing. Intangibles that are impossible to quantify. Some of the replacements are reacting to what they see, rather than instinctively positioning themselves to make the play. Lots of tackles are happening downfield, rather than in the backfield, for a TFL. So we just have to be patient, while the newbies develop. What other choice do we have?
I agree but have to start doing better recruiting lineman. Offense and defense, there is some money somewhere, later for the fieldhouse, use that for lineman...won't be able to keep up if everyone has better lineman than Rutgers...
 
We're used to being patient. What are we on, the 10 year plan now?
Why are you talking about 10 year plans? we went bowling last year, we're going bowling this year. Whats the problem? We may be down, but we're not out.
 
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Why are you talking about 10 year plans? we went bowling last year, we're going bowling this year. Whats the problem? We may be down, but we're not out.
Let me ask a very simple question: How long until we beat Penn state?
 
I agree but have to start doing better recruiting lineman. Offense and defense, there is some money somewhere, later for the fieldhouse, use that for lineman...won't be able to keep up if everyone has better lineman than Rutgers...
We recruit the best linemen we are able to. Facilities and NIL are huge constraints for us. Our average recruit is a 3 star who has to work especially hard for two years, before he gets a shot in year 3. But the kids who see time in year 3 will have to take their lumps, before they become especially proficient in year 4. When we lose kids to injury in year 4 or 5, it hits us especially hard, because then we have to repeat the cycle from year 3. That's where we're at. At least we're starting to have a flow of talent from year 3 kids. Asamoah has been solid, and Taj White is getting better every game. Both are a work in progress.
 
Why are you talking about 10 year plans? we went bowling last year, we're going bowling this year. Whats the problem? We may be down, but we're not out.

Didn’t you say we were a playoff team in the beginning of the season?

Can you admit you were a tad off with that prediction? Playoff teams have depth.
 
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Crazy injury rates at every level.
I think one reason is that guys dont practice contact enough.
Doing benches and squats don't help if stabilizers are lacking.
Playing at velocity with acute forces and angles is a stress that running around in helmets and shorts dont prepare for.

NFL and NCAA see top players losing their seasons in droves a few early weeks in
 
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Crazy injury rates at every level.
I think one reason is that guys dont practice contact enough.
Doing benches and squats don't help if stabilizers are lacking.
Playing at velocity with acute forces and angles is a stress that running around in helmets and shorts dont prepare for.
NFL and NCAA see top players losing their seasons in droves a few weeks in
Agreed. I think lack of consistent contact in practice is what is leading to many in game contact injuries. Practicing in shells most of the week can help with recovering from injuries but it is lousy for preparation which leads to apprehension and injury.
 
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Agreed. I think lack of consistent contact in practice is what is leading to many in game contact injuries. Practicing in shells most of the week can help with recovering from injuries but it is lousy for preparation which leads to apprehension and injury.
I’ll claim utter ignorance here…what is a “shell”?
 
  • Toure
  • Powell
  • Longerbeam
  • Rogers
  • Lewis
Certainly not an insignificant number of defenders. Losing 1 or 2 is bad enough. Losing 5 is Catastrophic, because its 45% of our defense. Their replacements will continue to do the best they can, but it won't be easy because they have learning curves, and are getting acclimated to this level of play. Not a coincidence that after Lewis went down, their back kept bouncing out to Lewis' side for big gains.

Not only are we losing these players, we're losing their experience, their maturity, their leadership, and the time they spent developing. Intangibles that are impossible to quantify. Some of the replacements are reacting to what they see, rather than instinctively positioning themselves to make the play. Lots of tackles are happening downfield, rather than in the backfield, for a TFL. So we just have to be patient, while the newbies develop. What other choice do we have?
There is always jumping off of very high buildings night wahr ?
 
A tad off…man you must be a nice guy…good for you!
Charlie Sheen Baseball GIF by Comedy Central


just a bit outside!
 
Why are you talking about 10 year plans? we went bowling last year, we're going bowling this year. Whats the problem? We may be down, but we're not out.
I wouldn't be so sure we're getting to 6 wins this season. We might not win another game.

Gonna have to wait and see.
 
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Agreed. I think lack of consistent contact in practice is what is leading to many in game contact injuries. Practicing in shells most of the week can help with recovering from injuries but it is lousy for preparation which leads to apprehension and injury.

Too much emphasis on muscular strength.
A guy who benches 250 and a guy benching 450 will hit (say) a wall at different impacts.
If the ligaments and tendons, joint etc aren't at same level people get injured (like happens to guys on steroids).
People (like Carl Banks) were nervous about Saquon because he was so strong with weights and big muscles that invited injuries.

There has been a revolution in diet, and there has to be one with regard to what I call "meathead" S&C training.
When you see Stanford players at combine they usually aren't monsters at lifting.
They changed to emphasize stretching and flexibility more and saw injuries go down.

Stanford’s Distinct Training Regimen Redefines Strength​


"From 2006, the year before Turley arrived on the Farm, as Stanford’s campus is known, through last season, the number of games missed because of injury on the two-deep roster dropped by 87 percent. In 2012, only two Cardinal players required season-ending or postseason surgical repair; this year, only one...

His approach is grounded in physics, on the premise that low man wins on contact, that to get low requires mobility and stability and the ability to apply force in the opposite direction. His players bench press, but he cares more about how they lift — with hands closer together, without bouncing the bar off their chests — than how much. He wants them to bend all the way down when they squat.

Freshmen in Turley’s program do not lift weights upon arrival. Instead, for the first few weeks, they do “body work,” or push-ups and pull-ups and squats or lunges without weights; basically old-school, military calisthenics...He noticed the best players in the weight room often were not the best players on the field. That made little sense...Although Stanford players may not perform as well in the bench press, or in the 40-yard dash at the N.F.L. combine, they often top the charts on F.M.S. scores....Turley is a strength coach, and he is not a strength coach, or not exactly. Strength is not his focus. Function is. Balance is. Flexibility is."


 
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The problem is the team is loaded with 4th and 5th year players. There is a transfer portal, maybe RU can’t land difference makers, but we can’t improve depth with players that can play in the B1G? Yes, the defense has been ravaged with injuries. Wisconsin had 11 players out on Sat. How does the team look completely unprepared and overwhelmed physically? It’s not year 2 of the rebuild. I expect to see a very focused, prepared team that plays very hard on Sat. If not, the coaching staff has a lot of questions to answer.
 
I’m more concerned with the offense. It doesn’t matter who is playing defense if the offense goes 3 and out every time and the defense is gassed by halftime.
Captain Kirk is not worth $1.4 mil. a year. That is if he has free reign. For that amount of money we can easily find a better replacement. The guy that just kicked the ever living sh*t out of us makes $1.25 mil. a year.
 
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Didn’t you say we were a playoff team in the beginning of the season?

Can you admit you were a tad off with that prediction? Playoff teams have depth.
Absolutely, at 100% we are a playoff team. However after all the injuries, we are not a playoff team.
 
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Captain Kirk is not worth $1.4 mil. a year. That is if he has free rein. For that amount of money we can easily find a better replacement. The guy that just kicked the ever living sh*t out of us makes $1.25 mil. a year.
1.2 million in Wisconsin is worth more than 1.4 million in New Jersey

Kirk is schiano’s guy. He gave him
A 500k raise to get him to leave Minnesota
 
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Captain Kirk is not worth $1.4 mil. a year. That is if he has free reign. For that amount of money we can easily find a better replacement. The guy that just kicked the ever living sh*t out of us makes $1.25 mil. a year.
Good Luck with that. The $1.4M includes a risk premium because no one else would take the job at what we were previously offering. That is why we had to wait so long for the OC.

Our situation was much worse than the situation he left At Minnesota. Pretty sure they gauged Longo’s interest, and he had no interest because our situation was adverse, to say the least.

Kirk did a great job calling the VT and Washington games. The kids haven’t been able to execute over the last two games. It’s not the alignment, it’s the alignees.
 
Kirk did a great job calling the VT and Washington games. The kids haven’t been able to execute over the last two games. It’s not the alignment, it’s the alignees.

September is very wild westy since new players and coaches are on teams and nobody is really well scouted yet. I'm sure Nebraska learned a lot from Washington video and Wisconsin from Nebraska. Things that seemed weak vs Washington looked broken vs Nebraska and critical vs Wisconsin. When the OC abandons the run strength to throw chippy passes that will tell a story. It just gets harder to surprise anyone. Last year was so unique because team played better and better as season progressed. That's not happening this year and I cant say "oh it was just a bad game" because there is a trend
 
September is very wild westy since new players and coaches are on teams and nobody is really well scouted yet. I'm sure Nebraska learned a lot from Washington video and Wisconsin from Nebraska. Things that seemed weak vs Washington looked broken vs Nebraska and critical vs Wisconsin. When the OC abandons the run strength to throw chippy passes that will tell a story. It just gets harder to surprise anyone. Last year was so unique because team played better and better as season progressed. That's not happening this year and I cant say "oh it was just a bad game" because there is a trend
The trend is we’ve suffered an increasing amount of injuries and that is why we haven’t been able to play better. Last year we stayed relatively healthy.
 
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