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Derrick Randall

What I find interesting is that he has a learning disability, how does someone with a learning disability attend Rutgers? Not trying to be insensitive, just seems odd.
 
What I find interesting is that he has a learning disability, how does someone with a learning disability attend Rutgers? Not trying to be insensitive, just seems odd.
A learning disability does not mean that he did not have the intellect. He may have had something like ADD or dyslexia that require different ways of learning. Rutgers has programs to help students overcome these conditions.
 
What I find interesting is that he has a learning disability, how does someone with a learning disability attend Rutgers? Not trying to be insensitive, just seems odd.
Just because someone has a learning disability does not mean they are not smart. It means they need to be taught differently than traditional methods.
 
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I don't know whether to be upset at Randall or not. Definitely the thought changes on whether you view it from a fan's perspective or a player/parent perspective.
 
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Friend of mine played in the Big East and is now a Big East coach. He was diagnosed with a learning disability in high school.

I wonder how many of these kids who have borderline or no real issues are diagnosed with a learning disability to get into college.
 
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I personally know two players who I trust and who were on Rice's teams. It's true that Rice should not of done much of what he did and I'm glad he's gone but so much of this is overbown garbage.

I particularly like this one...
"Coach Rice frequently engaged in mind games with Derrick, such as asking him if he was ready to go into a game and on receiving an affirmative answer, leaving Derrick on the bench without any explanation," the lawsuit stated. "On several occasions, Coach Rice stared directly at Derrick with an unmistakable look of hatred."

LMAO...what a big baby.
 
Friend of mine played in the Big East and is now a Big East coach. He was diagnosed with a learning disability in high school.

I wonder how many of these kids who have borderline or no real issues are diagnosed with a learning disability to get into college.


Not likely - Please explore what it takes to obtain a genuine official diagnosis of a learning disability - - it involves extensive testing (lengthy testing that has to be periodically repeated to re-confirm) - virtually all of the colleges that will take learning differences into consideration will require current (within past 2-3 years) certification of this testing from licensed professionals - this is not just something like checking a box saying yeah "I'm allergic to cats"
-- when you are young - Having Learning Differences at a level that might require accommodations - SUCKS - it means that the kid is recognized by all of their peers as 'different' - it can be a gut punch to the kid's self confidence / self esteem.... but discovering it at an early stage give the kid a shot at learning work-arounds & some retraining of the brain ...
Finding it later may mean that the kid was exceptionally good at compensating - that they had found some ways to circumvent their barriers ... but often in inefficient ways - and once discovered & attacked directly - they make great strides .
 
I personally know two players who I trust and who were on Rice's teams. It's true that Rice should not of done much of what he did and I'm glad he's gone but so much of this is overbown garbage.

I particularly like this one...
"Coach Rice frequently engaged in mind games with Derrick, such as asking him if he was ready to go into a game and on receiving an affirmative answer, leaving Derrick on the bench without any explanation," the lawsuit stated. "On several occasions, Coach Rice stared directly at Derrick with an unmistakable look of hatred."

LMAO...what a big baby.

A look of hatred from a coach ? What a freaking baby to even report that. No respect for this kid. His Daddy may want to save a room for him in the basement long term.
 
Not likely - Please explore what it takes to obtain a genuine official diagnosis of a learning disability - - it involves extensive testing (lengthy testing that has to be periodically repeated to re-confirm) - virtually all of the colleges that will take learning differences into consideration will require current (within past 2-3 years) certification of this testing from licensed professionals - this is not just something like checking a box saying yeah "I'm allergic to cats"
-- when you are young - Having Learning Differences at a level that might require accommodations - SUCKS - it means that the kid is recognized by all of their peers as 'different' - it can be a gut punch to the kid's self confidence / self esteem.... but discovering it at an early stage give the kid a shot at learning work-arounds & some retraining of the brain ...
Finding it later may mean that the kid was exceptionally good at compensating - that they had found some ways to circumvent their barriers ... but often in inefficient ways - and once discovered & attacked directly - they make great strides .


Thanks for the information. I guess I can't laugh at him anymore, lol. I'd like to have his learning disability as he makes a ton more than me.
 
Rice was an idiot. Some of what he did was moronic, but this was/is way overblown.

I will reiterate something I posted in the immediate aftermath. A buddy of mine who played high level D-1 hoops sent me a text which read "Every HC in division 1 basketball is having their assistants burn their practice tapes right now".
 
Rice was an idiot. Some of what he did was moronic, but this was/is way overblown.

I will reiterate something I posted in the immediate aftermath. A buddy of mine who played high level D-1 hoops sent me a text which read "Every HC in division 1 basketball is having their assistants burn their practice tapes right now".

One of my colleagues at work played in college, I remember him saying to me "yup, looks like a practice"
 
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Not likely - Please explore what it takes to obtain a genuine official diagnosis of a learning disability - - it involves extensive testing (lengthy testing that has to be periodically repeated to re-confirm) - virtually all of the colleges that will take learning differences into consideration will require current (within past 2-3 years) certification of this testing from licensed professionals - this is not just something like checking a box saying yeah "I'm allergic to cats"
-- when you are young - Having Learning Differences at a level that might require accommodations - SUCKS - it means that the kid is recognized by all of their peers as 'different' - it can be a gut punch to the kid's self confidence / self esteem.... but discovering it at an early stage give the kid a shot at learning work-arounds & some retraining of the brain ...
Finding it later may mean that the kid was exceptionally good at compensating - that they had found some ways to circumvent their barriers ... but often in inefficient ways - and once discovered & attacked directly - they make great strides .

have a child with a learning disability - the above is accurate and on the mark.
 
Never too early to start learning how the legal system works. Congrats to Derrick on cashing in when the opportunity presented itself. Now he just has to hope that prospective future employers don't do their homework.

As for the charges themselves, it's total BS. None of Rice's players were traumatized in any way. And if they were, well, they're gonna lead a very disappointing life.
 
Ah Mike Rice the gift that keeps on giving. I saw the basketball throwing highlight reel once again this morning in the news. It seemed a little fuzzy I'm wondering if the film degrades with overuse.
 
What horse s**t. "Waaaaahh my coach was a jerk--give me money". Typical American mindset--blame SOMEONE.

I hope he blows it all.
Geez, what a baby. Based on this logic to give away money to players that had coaches mentally or physically abuse them, I would be a millionaire! And, don't get me started on concussions. Born to early.....
 
He is taking advantage of America...can't blame him.

Always amuses me when emotional distress has a monetary value attached to it. Makes no sense.
 
What I find most amazing is that this thread has dropped down to the level of challenging whether a student-athlete had a learning disability, something I guarantee no one on here knows.

I'm not a fan of lawsuits. But I know Rice was a disaster. And I know that I don't know, nor does anyone on this thread know, all that went on between him and any particular player.

Much of this thread is an embarrassment.
 
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ill bet most here would do the exact same thing Randall and family did AND felt justified.

Based on the fact that I've personally played for coaches who employed similarly 'offensive' and 'abusive' motivational tactics, and I ended up thanking them for pushing me so hard rather than suing them, I can definitively say that isn't so in my case. The difference is that I grew up during a time when it was deliberately taught and plainly understood that the world doesn't much care how you feel about things.
 
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What I find most amazing is that this thread has dropped down to the level of challenging whether a student-athlete had a learning disability, something I guarantee no one on here knows.

I'm not a fan of lawsuits. But I know Rice was a disaster. And I know that I don't know, nor does anyone on this thread know, all that went on between him and any particular player.

Much of this thread is an embarrassment.


because he had a learning disability doesnt mean RU needs to pay him 300K..thats what we are discussing, RU settled but its not an admission of guilt or wrong doing. Rice may have been an asshole but there is no proof thats why Randall average 2 ppg or game or less at RU AND at Pitt
 
Strongly doubt Rice's treatment of Randall was any worse than what thousands and thousands of college and high school athletes have experienced throughout this country over the many decades of athletic competition. The award is absurd but I guess that's the world we live in now.
 
Yeah, but his life coach was the video coordinator which must have been traumatic you have to admit. That would drive me to drink for sure.
 
Whatever happened, happened.

I am just glad we have a whole new set of people in charge in the AD office, BB, and FB.

Don't have to worry about any of this nonsense anymore.

And that realization feels GREAT.
 
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All of the actual factual specifics of this particular case are not all laid out for the public (and some - like all of the personal details of Randall's Learning Disabilities can not & should not)
However, if the following specific pieces (below) from Randall's side (caveat- it is from Randall's side) are at all accurate - it is no wonder that there was a settlement - Note that the full document contains a whole bunch of stuff that could be argued either way - (and some of the portrayal of the source of the video - Murdock - stretches credibility) - but most all of the following pertains to Randall's Learning Disabilities & agreed accommodations & is going to be pretty cut & dried - and if it would be foolish to fabricate these essential & easily verified points.

You can have general opinions about people who 'game the system' (my impression has always been that the biggest con-artist of all was/is Murdock) and it seems that there are a few players who have been inclined to simply harvest some cash out of the whole stupid Rice situation.

But this Randall case has been framed out as being unique - and individual - and as such - in this specific aspect of the whole Rice debacle,
Rutgers probably has to consider it fortunate to have closed it out for only $300K .

Consider -
(1.) During the recruitment of Randall, Rice & Rutgers were clearly made aware of Randall's long-standing & documented LD (learning disabilities) - so this was not just "Oh Derrick sometimes needs some help" - Randal had an actual "IEP" ( Individualized Education Program - a significant official document that incorporates the evaluation of teachers, guidance counselors, and the school psychologist & identifies the details of the learning disability & the prescribed plan of action & targeted goals). ... and Rice was provided the IEP

(2.) as a part of Randall's recruitment, Rice (acting on behalf of Rutgers) responded to the discussion of Randall's LD issues & specifically promised resources (in particular, a psychologist) and accommodations

If, if, if this is at least remotely accurate (and that is key) - you gotta be stunned - sure coaches can, and should be, tough, stern, 'I never promised you a rose garden' - task masters often relentless... and sometimes they may successfully take a certain challenging player & decide to severely 'push their buttons' - and it spurs the player on ... and the coach is seen as a motivational genius -
but - - when a coach is fully informed of particular learning /psychological needs of a specific athlete - and promises to meet those needs - and then you get this? ... it is baffling ...
what on earth would be Rice's explanation? "Oh, I decided on my own that the IEP & the documented LD diagnosis was all BS- new-age psycho mumbo-jumbo... and so I opted to ignore it - and the agreed upon services & accommodations that were promised - and I chose to try rattling Randall's cage with mind games, yelling and throwing basketballs at his head to motivate him."


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here's the source document & the specific section related to Randall's LD issues -
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/889173/derrick-randall-lawsuit.txt

Derrick was diagnosed with learning disabilities at an early age. His diagnosis has
resulted in special accommodations being made to address Derrick's disabilities. As a result of
his disabilities, Derrick experienced the lack of confidence and self-esteem that are attendant thereto.

When Derrick was recruited by Rutgers, the University was made aware of Derrick's disabilities and related issues and specifically agreed to make special accommodations
to address Derrick's needs.

Derrick's father, Brian Randall, provided Rutgers with Derrick's Individualized Education Program which describes the special education and related services specifically
designed to meet Derrick's unique requirements.

Brian Randall met with Coach Rice when Derrick first arrived at Rutgers and informed Coach Rice that Derrick needed someone to talk to and to help him out.

Coach Rice represented to Brian Randall that Rutgers would provide Derrick with the resources he needed,
including a psychologist, and assured him in particular that the University would look out for Derrick's psyche.

Derrick thus enthusiastically enrolled at Rutgers as a highly promising athlete with recognized prospects for a successful college career and a professional career thereafter, but
also as a student-athlete with special educational and related needs that Rutgers had agreed to make special accommodations to address.
 
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because he had a learning disability doesnt mean RU needs to pay him 300K..thats what we are discussing, RU settled but its not an admission of guilt or wrong doing. Rice may have been an asshole but there is no proof thats why Randall average 2 ppg or game or less at RU AND at Pitt
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RU has to feel fortunate to walk away from this at $300K and no admission of guilt or wrong doing.
- the key issue of potential vulnerability / potential accountability for Rice/Rutgers was not that Randall simply "had a learning disability"
NO - it was more of the old "What did you know? and When did you know it?" - with the added kicker of "What did you agree to do"
(1.) ... what did Rice / RU know?
- that Randall had a documented Learning Disability

(2.) ... when did Rice / RU know it?
- during the recruiting process - prior to enrollment - Rice & RU were informed of and discussed Randall's LD & Rice & RU were provided with Randall's IEP

- - -and the critical issue - - -
(3.) ... what did Rice / RU agree to do? - Rice agreed to specific services & accommodations & be mindful of the substance of the IEP

and this (1, 2 &3) would not be items the RU lawyers would have wanted to deal with in court - especially #3 -

You are right that Randall's lackluster performances on the court at RU and at Pitt are essentially irrelevant -
they could only be emotionally / sympathetically claimed to be some sort of consequence of his emotional trauma - which would seen as unprovable & BS & probably get nowhere
 
This stuff makes me sick, free education and still a money grab. The guy towers over rice at 6'9 240 but they make it sound like he is a 12 yr old. Go after Rices money
 
Some of us still like to be able to look ourselves in the mirror. I have no respect for people like Randall and others who can justify such obvious money grabs. Pathetic.

If that was your child seen being shoved like that in the video would you be OK with it? I know I wouldn't.
 
If that was your child seen being shoved like that in the video would you be OK with it? I know I wouldn't.

Wasn't Randall 24 years old when that happened ? But some choose to refer to him as a child.

With Pikiell as HC I doubt that we will have losers like Randall in the program for the foreseeable future.
 
If that was your child seen being shoved like that in the video would you be OK with it? I know I wouldn't.
Gimme a break. He wasn't a 6 year old he was 6-8 240 pound, 22 year old man when he transferred after playing for Rice for 2 years. If it was that bad I would have a) spoken to Rice privately about my objections to his methods or b) gotten out of dodge earlier. Was he afraid for his safety because Rice shoved guys during drills? What a joke. People will justify anything. It was a money grab - plain and simple.
 
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