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I still think he will see time as B1G play really gets going and bigs are getting in foul trouble. That said, he hasn’t looked great last year or in spot time this year. Last year he could hit a few jumpers at least, but that isn’t happening this year. I think Myles has some real skills that need to develop with playing time and Shaq Carter is quickly becoming our best offensive big. Tough to find minutes.
Doorson wasn't healthy, Johnson didn't play, Carter is better
Because we had no one else?!?!?!/
Back to a question posed above. If he was willing and Pike thought it made sense could he still redshirt? In basketball isn't it based on a % of games you participate in or is that only for injury situations?
There aren't a lot of minutes to go around this year at the 4/5, and from coach's comments, he shifted from the 5 to the 4 this year. Not so worried about him yet, as bigs take longer to develop and he's trying to slot in at a different position.
the guy went from starting to not even playing..its a huge concern and the impact is what is felt down the road.
Doucoure always seemed more suited to PF than center. He's 6-9, but never seemed like he matched up well with guys 6-10 or taller underneath - and at least from what Pike said earlier in the year, he's being transitioned to the 4 from the 5.
Omoruyi dominates minutes at the 4, and we've frequently gone smaller rather than bigger at the 4 with Harper to use up the extra minutes. We've seen it a bit, but haven't really seen many minutes where two of Doorson/Johnson/Carter/Doucoure have been in the game together.
It may be that he's not going to crack back into the rotation this year, or it may be that he's just not there yet at PF and we'll see him more down the stretch. Or there may be something else going on that we're not aware of. Or it's possible that he just regressed this year, or is in a funk over losing his starting spot, or whatever.
A few DNPs in a row isn't huge for me. He'd likely have gotten minutes against Columbia if the game hadn't been a nailbiter.
Omoruyi dominates minutes at the 4, and we've frequently gone smaller rather than bigger at the 4 with Harper to use up the extra minutes. We've seen it a bit, but haven't really seen many minutes where two of Doorson/Johnson/Carter/Doucoure have been in the game together.
It may be that he's not going to crack back into the rotation this year, or it may be that he's just not there yet at PF and we'll see him more down the stretch. Or there may be something else going on that we're not aware of. Or it's possible that he just regressed this year, or is in a funk over losing his starting spot, or whatever.
A few DNPs in a row isn't huge for me. He'd likely have gotten minutes against Columbia if the game hadn't been a nailbiter.
Hopefully, he'll transfer and we can start from scratch with a decent freshman big who understands the game.
During rebuilding efforts, you should see fallout or kids that outplay others....it's called competition. Baker should be pushed for minutes, Mathis should be pushed for minutes, your roster should not have automatic minutes associated to them because of perceived recruiting rankings.
First is was Shaq Carter was a recruiting miss after 2 games.....
Then it was Caleb McConnell who couldn't play and we missed on XYZ recruit elsewhere.
Then it's Myles Johnson who was miles better than others, but has ups and downs 11 games into his career.
If Dourcoure doesn't pan out, it means that others outworked, out executed and outplayed an existing player.
I don't think there's minutes for 4 bigs during the 1st 11 games....Doucoure playing last year was because Doorson wasnt healthy and Myles Johnson was redshirting. It was Doucoure, Candido Sa and Doorson.
We went from 3 bigs to 4....what would the story be if Doorson didn't take his 5th year here and outworked Doucoure....??
He is still on paper a 2018 recruit....he will have 2 years left. Kids do have dips in performance, dips in confidence etc.....and if Doorson didn't work as hard this offseason, Doucoure would be in the lineup, playing with a lot of minutes.
Does anyone truly believe that Mulcahy walks through the doors next year, performs at a high level and suddenly beats out McConnell, Jacob Young, Baker and Mathis, Kiss....??
Are we going to read the same things next year when that happens??.....What happens if McConnell keeps playing well off the bench this season, a development season for him and a lot of freshman and goes up a level next year...?? Someone's not going to play more minutes next year, we are adding 2 more guards to the equation.
The newsflash is pick a name out of a hat.....someone next year is going to get outworked, outhustled and out executed next winter in the backcourt. Fans at RU used to lack of depth, lack of competition, lack of a full roster, lack of a coaching staff with options.....
Here's the real numbers across all Power 5 conferences during established programs, solid programs and rebuilding programs.....1 out of 3 recruits, dont pan out....1 out of 3, get beat out for playing time....1 out of 3 4 star players from coast to coast don't all play well in their 1st 2 years.....some transfer to non Power 5 leagues, regroup and help those programs win.
The key is to not make your minds up on 18 to 22 or 23 year old kids on what's going to happen.....some kids need minutes to perform, some need to start to get the most out of them....some dont...and can be immediate bench contributors and find a way to add value without having to start.
Doucoure has been in shape, has skills and will take time to develop, but we will have 3 bigs next year, which is more ideal than 4. Finding minutes for 3 is very easy in the OOC slate....you probably only need 3 in the B1G as well.
The story to me isn't Doucoure...the story is balancing Carter, Myles Johnson and Doorson to find 12 points and 20 to 22 rebounds out of the 5 spot every night....i don't care who gets the points and rebounds, as long as it happens....if Doucoure steps up to be one of those players understanding the defensive rotations, rebounds and plays good defense and beats out someone else going forward, that's better for RU.
First is was Shaq Carter was a recruiting miss after 2 games.....
Then it was Caleb McConnell who couldn't play and we missed on XYZ recruit elsewhere.
Then it's Myles Johnson who was miles better than others, but has ups and downs 11 games into his career.
If Dourcoure doesn't pan out, it means that others outworked, out executed and outplayed an existing player.
I don't think there's minutes for 4 bigs during the 1st 11 games....Doucoure playing last year was because Doorson wasnt healthy and Myles Johnson was redshirting. It was Doucoure, Candido Sa and Doorson.
We went from 3 bigs to 4....what would the story be if Doorson didn't take his 5th year here and outworked Doucoure....??
He is still on paper a 2018 recruit....he will have 2 years left. Kids do have dips in performance, dips in confidence etc.....and if Doorson didn't work as hard this offseason, Doucoure would be in the lineup, playing with a lot of minutes.
Does anyone truly believe that Mulcahy walks through the doors next year, performs at a high level and suddenly beats out McConnell, Jacob Young, Baker and Mathis, Kiss....??
Are we going to read the same things next year when that happens??.....What happens if McConnell keeps playing well off the bench this season, a development season for him and a lot of freshman and goes up a level next year...?? Someone's not going to play more minutes next year, we are adding 2 more guards to the equation.
The newsflash is pick a name out of a hat.....someone next year is going to get outworked, outhustled and out executed next winter in the backcourt. Fans at RU used to lack of depth, lack of competition, lack of a full roster, lack of a coaching staff with options.....
Here's the real numbers across all Power 5 conferences during established programs, solid programs and rebuilding programs.....1 out of 3 recruits, dont pan out....1 out of 3, get beat out for playing time....1 out of 3 4 star players from coast to coast don't all play well in their 1st 2 years.....some transfer to non Power 5 leagues, regroup and help those programs win.
The key is to not make your minds up on 18 to 22 or 23 year old kids on what's going to happen.....some kids need minutes to perform, some need to start to get the most out of them....some dont...and can be immediate bench contributors and find a way to add value without having to start.
Doucoure has been in shape, has skills and will take time to develop, but we will have 3 bigs next year, which is more ideal than 4. Finding minutes for 3 is very easy in the OOC slate....you probably only need 3 in the B1G as well.
The story to me isn't Doucoure...the story is balancing Carter, Myles Johnson and Doorson to find 12 points and 20 to 22 rebounds out of the 5 spot every night....i don't care who gets the points and rebounds, as long as it happens....if Doucoure steps up to be one of those players understanding the defensive rotations, rebounds and plays good defense and beats out someone else going forward, that's better for RU.
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Doucore doesn't have the height (He is 6''7" probably, not 6'9") nor the hops to play the 5 at this point against B1G teams. Hopefully he can adjust to the 4 and start hitting 15 footers consistently.
Agreed.
I’m very happy Shaq Carter is getting time over Douc and showing promise with 25 mins played, 13 pts (6-7 fg) and 6 rebounds vs. Columbia.
Or is that not what you meant?...............
No I like carter more and said many times we should go smaller. Doug was just a lynch pin for those who have argued Pike is recruiting really well. I just want us to recruit better. 2020 class is more important than people realize. It just pains me people can’t see it.
People get too hung up on playing with a center. The game has changed to where true 5s (centers) are rare and many or most of the top teams don’t even play one. Doorson is definitely a 5 and when he’s is the game, we obviously play with one. We should probaly have big man on the court at most times, but I think we should only rarely play with a center on the court.
2020 recruiting is no more important than 2018 or 2019.....why is 2020 recruiting more important??
We would be replacing Thiam, Eugene and Jacob Young.....i could argue that in 2020, recruits of Thiam and Eugene's caliber out of HS, aren't on RUs radar for 2020.
There's no magic wand for a rebuild, it has to happen with player development, competition at most positions, player buy-in to culture change, maintaining the staff etc.
All you need in each recruiting class are 2 players that factor in or earn playing time in your Top 8 or 9 rotation by their sophomore season. If you are adding 2 players to your top 8 or 9 with each class, you start to improve your roster. The remaining 4 to 5 spots are earned minutes off bench or transfer out for playing elsewhere.
Because if 2020 is like 2018 we will not increase the talent and not finish much better where we are in conference now until a new coach who can recruit comes in.
You don’t need 5 star bigs you need better guards and wings and there are plenty we have missed out on
I never said turn him down he’s the best we can get. Way to put words in my mouth. We just need better.
Unless someone on the staff teaches him some post moves he will never get any better. Doorson's been with this staff for three years now and he hasn't developed a single post move, neither has Thiam. A shame because a kid like Johnson could become a force inside.
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Dukes gonna transfer thats why ive been saying all season we have 2 ships to fill. I could see Duke at a school like FDU or an american east school
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