EDIT ORIGINAL THREAD TITLE: In light of today and other red flags, Hobbs must fire Eddie

[bac2therac]

Its either or to me and no inbetween. Everyone knows how I and some others feel by now. Obviously we have a divided fanbase on this issue. I see some wanting to give Eddie one more year just to be sure so while that sounds noble enough, its not really the best idea. I see a lot of people giving best case scenerios of .500 next year and 6-8 wins. Again that is best case scenario..which means no transfers out, no injuries, finally playing defense, and guys like Johnson living up to their billing while the returnees from this year all improve on their game including the banged up players. To me that's a pretty large leap of faith. Has a best case scenario ever worked out at this school. Hobbs should be dealing with the more likely scenerios.

Rutgers will be improved next year. I have never argued they will not be. They will win 6 or 7 games this year. They have to be simply by luck and having more bodies but how much realistically are they going to improve. Remember RU does not exist in a bubble in the Big 10. Schools like Minnesota, Penn State, Nebraska, and Northwestern are examples of schools who know how hard it is to move up this league. You do not go from 0-16/1-5 to 8-10 in this league in one season with lightly recruited talent (besides Sanders). Overall talent level is still in the bottom 4 in this league. Other programs including Penn State who has the #2 class in the Big 10 are also having high expectations. We know its very tough to beat the top programs. Schools like Michigan State and Maryland simply reload talent. A school like Ohio State is returning virtually everyone and will be among the top schools in the league next season.

More like RU will go 8-5/9-4 OOC and then win 3 to 5 Big 10 games putting them anywhere from 11-20 to 14-17. To me that is being realistic of what we can expect. So going forward to me giving one year does nothing because you might as well then let the whole thing play out when Sanders is a junior (and IMO likely his last year) and Freeman a senior. Why would you cut the bait at 13-18 when you actually have a shot at reaching 500 or better the following year. Plus its very tough to recruit when you don't have an extension. Eddie would be a lame duck if he gets a year 4 with no extension. No recruit worth salt...I didn't say no recruit...I said ones worth salt..ie ones who will make a difference aren't coming here. I don't care the scholarship number available because that always changes. Eddie will need to get talent players in.

IF HOBBS IS GOIING TO GIVE EDDIE A SHOT WITH THESE PLAYERS, HE MUST GO ALL IN ON HIM FOR TWO YEARS...EXPLICITLY COMING OUT AND SUPPORTING HIM FOR TWO YEARS....while also giving Eddie a two year extension without perhaps a private provision where that final year could be substianally reduced. One year just does not cut it for many reasons and seems just some fans wanting to not turn their back on Eddie yet. Two years plus an extension shows commitment from Hobbs and allows Eddie to recruit without the lame duck status

To me I have already made up my mind but IMO sending Eddie into year 4 with virtually no backup support is something that to me will not end well. Do it the right way Pat or don't do it at all. Ball is in your court

 

[MADHAT1]

Basically giving him the 7 years that some on this board thought he needed when Jordan was hired.
My question is would a low buyout hurt Jordan's recruiting effort, more than it would help RU financially if Eddie was let go after his 5th year.

 

[bac2therac]

I don't know but IMO I could care less RU would have to put out money..if they did have to pay out $3 million for years 6 and 7 they would only have themselves to blame for making the wrong decision.. Im still adamant you have to do this because you cant do it half assed. I you want him to win not extending him is a joke, then you might as well get rid of him after this year. Show support that is REAL or don't punt the issue down the road again.

 

[Plum Street]

You can still give him an extension and fire him next year .

 

[jcrutgers]

I agree bac, give Eddie a 2 year extension and go all in. I think at this point we need to give him a chance considering the mess he took over.

 

[MADHAT1]

I don't know but IMO I could care less RU would have to put out money..if they did have to pay out $3 million for years 6 and 7 they would only have themselves to blame for making the wrong decision.. Im still adamant you have to do this because you cant do it half assed. I you want him to win not extending him is a joke, then you might as well get rid of him after this year. Show support that is REAL or don't punt the issue down the road again.

Share your thoughts about not caring about the buyout, but I'm always afraid that will be the case of keeping someone RU feels isn't getting the job done but buying him/her out would be to expensive for their taste and keep that coach instead of paying buyout.
Paying off Rice, Hermann and Flood doesn't convince me RU has changed its fugal ways, just that now it will do what's necessary if some issues besides W-L force RU to replace a coach for PR reasons.

Also agree if RU extends Jordan they can't go on the cheap like RU usually did in the past.

 

[Hondo77]

Agreed. Either one or the other. I was in favor of dumping him after this season but I like the way the team has been pulling together under adversity as of late.

 

[RutgersYay]

Agreed. Either one or the other. I was in favor of dumping him after this season but I like the way the team has been pulling together under adversity as of late.

Shouldn't playing hard be the minimum? I mean I know losing like this can wear down a team but when you evaluate coach shouldn't you also evaluate the body of work and the strategy?

 

[bac2therac]

You can still give him an extension and fire him next year .

you would be eating 3 years...besides why would you fire unless they win under 10. If you believe in Eddie it would be the 2018 year they would be shooting for the NCAA or NIT not 2017 so as long as they get 12 wins which is a 6 game improvement we will have the same scenario as this year with those supporting him pushing for another year. I don't believe in Eddie and I think he should be fired because I don't believe in the long term end game. I also believe that there will be people next year who have gone on record saying they want him back only if they get close to 500 who will wind up wanting him gone but why I ask..IMO you are putting way too much expectations on next year to improve. My thought is you either believe him or you don't so that's why you give him two years if he comes back

 

[bac2therac]

Agreed. Either one or the other. I was in favor of dumping him after this season but I like the way the team has been pulling together under adversity as of late.

well they have not been holding up that well. Yes improved against Ohio State and Illinois but still terrible vs MSU and especially Nebraska

I do not think its a done deal that he comes back. These next 6 games are very important...5 of them are winnable. I don't think Eddie can afford to go 0-18.

 

[ruman]

You can't do it. A two year extension puts you on the hook for 4 years 6 million. You can't do that with a 27 game losing streak.

 

[goru7]

Its either or to me and no inbetween. Everyone knows how I and some others feel by now. Obviously we have a divided fanbase on this issue. I see some wanting to give Eddie one more year just to be sure so while that sounds noble enough, its not really the best idea. I see a lot of people giving best case scenerios of .500 next year and 6-8 wins. Again that is best case scenario..which means no transfers out, no injuries, finally playing defense, and guys like Johnson living up to their billing while the returnees from this year all improve on their game including the banged up players. To me that's a pretty large leap of faith. Has a best case scenario ever worked out at this school. Hobbs should be dealing with the more likely scenerios.

Rutgers will be improved next year. I have never argued they will not be. They will win 6 or 7 games this year. They have to be simply by luck and having more bodies but how much realistically are they going to improve. Remember RU does not exist in a bubble in the Big 10. Schools like Minnesota, Penn State, Nebraska, and Northwestern are examples of schools who know how hard it is to move up this league. You do not go from 0-16/1-5 to 8-10 in this league in one season with lightly recruited talent (besides Sanders). Overall talent level is still in the bottom 4 in this league. Other programs including Penn State who has the #2 class in the Big 10 are also having high expectations. We know its very tough to beat the top programs. Schools like Michigan State and Maryland simply reload talent. A school like Ohio State is returning virtually everyone and will be among the top schools in the league next season.

More like RU will go 8-5/9-4 OOC and then win 3 to 5 Big 10 games putting them anywhere from 11-20 to 14-17. To me that is being realistic of what we can expect. So going forward to me giving one year does nothing because you might as well then let the whole thing play out when Sanders is a junior (and IMO likely his last year) and Freeman a senior. Why would you cut the bait at 13-18 when you actually have a shot at reaching 500 or better the following year. Plus its very tough to recruit when you don't have an extension. Eddie would be a lame duck if he gets a year 4 with no extension. No recruit worth salt...I didn't say no recruit...I said ones worth salt..ie ones who will make a difference aren't coming here. I don't care the scholarship number available because that always changes. Eddie will need to get talent players in.

IF HOBBS IS GOIING TO GIVE EDDIE A SHOT WITH THESE PLAYERS, HE MUST GO ALL IN ON HIM FOR TWO YEARS...EXPLICITLY COMING OUT AND SUPPORTING HIM FOR TWO YEARS....while also giving Eddie a two year extension without perhaps a private provision where that final year could be substianally reduced. One year just does not cut it for many reasons and seems just some fans wanting to not turn their back on Eddie yet. Two years plus an extension shows commitment from Hobbs and allows Eddie to recruit without the lame duck status

To me I have already made up my mind but IMO sending Eddie into year 4 with virtually no backup support is something that to me will not end well. Do it the right way Pat or don't do it at all. Ball is in your court

I do not necessarily agree. Eddie has 2 years left after this year. His 2016-2017 class is complete except for one spot. Next year, there will be no seniors, barring bringing in a graduate transfer, 4-5 juniors(Mike, DJ, Nigel, Freeman, Goode), 4 sophomores,(Corey, Jon, Doorson, Diallo,) and 4 freshman( Dailey, Tripp, and Isia, and new recruit). If someone leaves from the bottom of the roster we have an opening but otherwise we don't for 2017-2018 recruits.
Everyone agrees there will be improvement but we differ in our opinions about how much. Eddie will have his full roster, if they come back healthy and Freeman shores up his problems, then it is on Eddie to improve . If they do what I think , win 6-8 Big 10 games and come close to 500 overall , then you extend him either 2 or 3 years. If they make very little progress like Bac thinks, you let him go without the extra buyouts that our Ru program has become known for, no more paying coaches that did not get it done, when they are no longer here.
If Eddie does my scenario, by extending him , he can offer 4 scholarships to the next recruiting class while having a team with 4 seniors, 4 juniors, 4 sophomores going for it when Corey is a junior and Nigel and Freeman are seniors. We have not had that experienced team around these parts in a long time . With expected success, the recruiting talent will be upgraded for that next class because recruits will actually see the success on the court and the negative recruiting will still exist but be diminished . I will believe every Rutgers basketball fan will want this scenario to play out.

 

[bac2therac]

You can't do it. A two year extension puts you on the hook for 4 years 6 million. You can't do that with a 27 game losing streak.

Oh Im in your corner but that's exactly what Hobbs faces...so he better be pretty confident that Eddie is the right guy and worth it if he brings him back and he needs to support him for YEARS 4 AND YEAR 5 because without that Eddie chances of a turnaround are so much harder

 

[bac2therac]

oh and there is this little matter of raising $100 million. That's not going to be easy and its not easy when you have a fanbase not behind the head guy so that's another factor Hobbs has to deal with. You want him to ask for donations for hoops but yet Hobbs wont commit to the head guy for two years...what does that say? what about that would be make want to give

 

[RutgersYay]

I do not necessarily agree. Eddie has 2 years left after this year. His 2016-2017 class is complete except for one spot. Next year, there will be no seniors, barring bringing in a graduate transfer, 4-5 juniors(Mike, DJ, Nigel, Freeman, Goode), 4 sophomores,(Corey, Jon, Doorson, Diallo,) and 4 freshman( Dailey, Tripp, and Isia, and new recruit). If someone leaves from the bottom of the roster we have an opening but otherwise we don't for 2017-2018 recruits.
Everyone agrees there will be improvement but we differ in our opinions about how much. Eddie will have his full roster, if they come back healthy and Freeman shores up his problems, then it is on Eddie to improve . If they do what I think , win 6-8 Big 10 games and come close to 500 overall , then you extend him either 2 or 3 years. If they make very little progress like Bac thinks, you let him go without the extra buyouts that our Ru program has become known for, no more paying coaches that did not get it done, when they are no longer here.
If Eddie does my scenario, by extending him , he can offer 4 scholarships to the next recruiting class while having a team with 4 seniors, 4 juniors, 4 sophomores going for it when Corey is a junior and Nigel and Freeman are seniors. We have not had that experienced team around these parts in a long time . With expected success, the recruiting talent will be upgraded for that next class because recruits will actually see the success on the court and the negative recruiting will still exist but be diminished . I will believe every Rutgers basketball fan will want this scenario to play out.

Please don't ignore the out of conference schedule--an area where Eddie has always had bad losses and has only finished over .500 once.

 

[Upstream]

You can't do it. A two year extension puts you on the hook for 4 years 6 million. You can't do that with a 27 game losing streak.

Sure you can. If you believe that Eddie is the right coach to get Rutgers to the next level (even if that is not the ultimate level), and the losing streak is due to factors like Jordan inheriting a decimated program from Rice and due to a young team and injuries, then you can extend Jordan to give him the time to get the job done.

Or you believe that Jordan isn't going to get it done, in which case there is no sense in keeping him around.

But we aren't at a point where Hobbs needs another year to assess Jordan.

The only reason to keep Jordan if you think he is the wrong coach is if you expect some fundamental change next year which would impact who you could hire as a replacement coach.

 

[SleepingGiantIsAwake]

I love RU and thought Jordan was a great prompt hiring after the Rice drama.

I will continue to go to games, be loyal, and cheer Jordan and the team, but there's NO WAY I would extend him now. Would be one of the stupidest, fiscally irresponsible decisions ever ( and we've witnessed firsthand some idiotic ones at RU ).

For $1.2+ million / year Jordan needs to show he is willing to actually put effort into recruiting and show he can coach. I haven't seen either. Let him show it over the next year, then make a decision. Don't tell me if we extend Jordan his recruiting or coaching will get better. I don't believe it.

 

[BigEastPhil]

My opinion: EJ will be and should be back next year. This team has no depth; no height and has been severely handicapped due to the injuries. Further Corey Sanders has blossomed playing for EJ and the squad continues to be resilient and gives 110%.

Plus even if Hobbs wanted to get rid of EJ - which I don't think he does at this point - there is no money to buy out the BB coaching squad - especially after what incurred with the Flood regime.

Come next year, the entire roster is Eddie's and the squad should be vastly improved - especially with Nigel Johnson; Doorson; Diallo; Freeman (hopefully) and the new recruits.

We lose Daniels; Grier and Lewis.

If you follow Hobbs' MO - he likes young aggressive coaches - with terrific pedigree - a la his hirings of Willard at Seton Hall and Ash.

I think Hobbs will do nothing with EJ until the 16/17 season - see how the team performs - and either decide to make EJ a lame duck if the team continues to be miserable next season (whereby a mutual split could occur after the 16/17 season) or extend EJ's contract by 1-2 years next year - if improvement as expected (which I do) occurs.

I certainly hope the latter occurs as I want EJ to succeed but you cannot at this point commit to an additional 2 years given our current status.

 

[TrueRU]

Eddie is currently under contract for 2 more years. Is it possible to give him a 1 year extension (and not 2) so that he has a bit of a buffer but isn't considered a lame duck either?

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

this can be a year 4 decision after the coach has a full roster.....the ways things are trending with recruiting, Rutgers may not have an open spot in 2017 unless someone leaves the program. It would be a good thing to have the entire roster coming back in 2017. The only other way a spot opens in 2017 is if Freeman does not get a redshirt year or Jordan takes in a 5th year transfer this year who would only be on the roster for 1 year.

Having everyone coming back in 2017 is a good thing. Academic issues usually happen after year 1 or 2. It's safe to assume that everyone is doing well in that area.....except Freeman, but, the message has been sent to him with the suspension.....shape up or you'll find yourself playing at East Stroudsburg St instead of the Big 10.

 

[ScarletRunner]

this can be a year 4 decision after the coach has a full roster.....the ways things are trending with recruiting, Rutgers may not have an open spot in 2017 unless someone leaves the program. It would be a good thing to have the entire roster coming back in 2017. The only other way a spot opens in 2017 is if Freeman does not get a redshirt year or Jordan takes in a 5th year transfer this year who would only be on the roster for 1 year.

Having everyone coming back in 2017 is a good thing. Academic issues usually happen after year 1 or 2. It's safe to assume that everyone is doing well in that area.....except Freeman, but, the message has been sent to him with the suspension.....shape up or you'll find yourself playing at East Stroudsburg St instead of the Big 10.

I am on board with this, particularly owing to the way the scholarship situation aligns in 2017... Maybe we have some attrition but it's not like we're looking to fill 4 spots, so the lame duck status is not as much of an issue. These days it also seems like there's always a grad transfer or two available who would be more likely committing to a coach with uncertain status.

Let's give Eddie another year, see how things play out without (hopefully) a spate of injuries. Needless to say, there would need to be major improvements on several fronts to get him to Year 5. We kick the can on the finances and get a year closer to real B1G $.

But I can't see any way to justify extending a coach with Eddie's current current track record... That's a non-starter for me.

 

[rufeelinit]

Disagree. If Hobbs rationalizes bringing EJ back its with no extension unless there is a pro EJ donor who foots the entire bill. I understand that without an extension EJ will have difficulty recruiting but hey at some point we need to hold him accountable for the situation he is in. It is now his roster. I am not an advocate of throwing good money after bad and that is what we would be doing here. I still believe bringing him back is delaying the inevitable but if you believe he deserves another year then you should also believe he needs to earn an extension by showing real progress. The problem is the program is so bad right now that he can make significant progress by winning 5-6 games. We would still be a pretty bad team. If that would occur I would still be advocating that we terminate him next year.

 

[TDIrish27]

I don't personally think there's a need to do anything.

Let him come back next year and " we'll see " is IMO the best tact.

If you're bound and determined to extend him there are many ways the contract can be worded in terms of guaranteed money.

 

[TrueBlue1989]

You can extend him for 2 years but not increase the buyout. He will be assisted on the recruiting trail but the school will have no increased financial obligation.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

people keep posting as if financial matters aren't issues!

There isn't a money tree behind the RAC. If he is getting bought out where does the money come from? Higher subsidy? Raise ticket prices? Higher student fees? Lower money to pay next coach?

Has to be one of these things.


99% of programs you fire or extend....this could be 1%.

You probably have a scenario where all 3 options are terrible.
Fire, extend, coach out contract.

 

[Degaz-RU]

Like others have said, I don't think there is a NEED to extend him now. I personally think he deserves at least one more year to see what he can do with a (hopefully) healthy roster, but I'm also not so foolhardy to want to increase RU's already strained financial obligation with an extension (and higher buyout).

Unlike some, I do NOT think this is a situation where you forget about the ramifications to the roster because people think Eddie is simply not cut out to be a college head coach. This is NOT football, where the conventional (and correct) wisdom is that you never let a single recruiting class dictate your coaching decisions. In this case, I am not willing to let Corey Sanders transfer by firing Eddie right now. It's that simple. We would be starting completely over for the umpteenth time in the last 15 years.

On balance, I think we have a better chance of getting to the next level in the next two years WITH Corey as a centerpiece, as opposed to cutting our supposed losses by firing Eddie now and starting over. And if we do get to that next level (i.e., .500 overall record), that will give Eddie the ability to recruit the next generation of players. If we fire Eddie now, Corey and probably Laurent will transfer, and we will be on the "7-year plan" yet again, starting from below zero.

 

[shields]

Degaz, I am glad you liked the NJCANE post because it was right on the money.

 

[rufeelinit]

Anybody still looking to extend him?

 

[bac2therac]

oh Hobbs has an easy choice now

 

[Sideline20]

It's beginning to look as if Hobbs will not need to deal with any controversy this time around like naked free throws, or missing a game because of being inducted into a Hall of Fame or arguing with umpires or throwing basketballs at players and yelling. The decision may be getting a bit clearer now based on performance and team dynamics.

 

[MGSA99]

The only question now is if he gets fired or forced to resign, or if the decision comes before the season ends or not.

 

[MADHAT1]

Sometimes the hard choice is keeping the HC and giving him enough time to prove he can turn a program that was bad for years and made a terrible program because of the actions of the previous HC into a program heading in the right direction.
The easy choice would be for the AD, any AD, to panic and replace the HC before he was able to prove if he could or prove he couldn't.
When Eddie was hired some claimed it would take 7 years, if memory serves correct: some started jumping ship in Jordan's second year dismissing the 7 year plan and looking for a new plan wish a new leader. Now in 3rd with nothing good showing, but more obstacles and the time for change might not be here yet because building a good program doesn't happens overnight and sometimes the program will seem to regress before it starts showing results.
Hobbs has a hard choice , because the easy one would be giving up and hoping the next HC can build on what Eddie is trying to start .


Edit after hearing Sanders is suspended, think the easy choice might not be Hobbs panicking as I implied , but the choice made because of off court problems added on to lack of on court production.
So what I posted before edit must be taken with a grain of salt or just honor this request I'm making about what I first posted:

 

[G- RUnit]

Sorry can not disagree more. Eddie has two years left on his contract. The choice is whether to keep him or to let him go. Not another extension.

 

[ScarletRunner]

Sometimes the hard choice is keeping the HC and giving him enough time to prove he can turn a program that was bad for years and made a terrible program because of the actions of the previous HC into a program heading in the right direction.
The easy choice would be for the AD, any AD, to panic and replace the HC before he was able to prove if he could or prove he couldn't.
When Eddie was hired some claimed it would take 7 years, if memory serves correct: some started jumping ship in Jordan's second year dismissing the 7 year plan and looking for a new plan wish a new leader. Now in 3rd with nothing good showing, but more obstacles and the time for change might not be here yet because building a good program doesn't happens overnight and sometimes the program will seem to regress before it starts showing results.
Hobbs has a hard choice , because the easy one would be giving up and hoping the next HC can build on what Eddie is trying to start .


Edit after hearing Sanders is suspended, think the easy choice might not be Hobbs panicking as I implied , but the choice made because of off court problems added on to lack of on court production.
So what I posted before edit must be taken with a grain of salt or just honor this request I'm making about what I first posted:

I would also like to retract my original comment on this topic lol.

 

[bac2therac]

Well the landscape changed in just one day from original post and thread. I think now there is only one choice

 

[RutgersMO]

Its either or to me and no inbetween. Everyone knows how I and some others feel by now. Obviously we have a divided fanbase on this issue. I see some wanting to give Eddie one more year just to be sure so while that sounds noble enough, its not really the best idea. I see a lot of people giving best case scenerios of .500 next year and 6-8 wins. Again that is best case scenario..which means no transfers out, no injuries, finally playing defense, and guys like Johnson living up to their billing while the returnees from this year all improve on their game including the banged up players. To me that's a pretty large leap of faith. Has a best case scenario ever worked out at this school. Hobbs should be dealing with the more likely scenerios.

Rutgers will be improved next year. I have never argued they will not be. They will win 6 or 7 games this year. They have to be simply by luck and having more bodies but how much realistically are they going to improve. Remember RU does not exist in a bubble in the Big 10. Schools like Minnesota, Penn State, Nebraska, and Northwestern are examples of schools who know how hard it is to move up this league. You do not go from 0-16/1-5 to 8-10 in this league in one season with lightly recruited talent (besides Sanders). Overall talent level is still in the bottom 4 in this league. Other programs including Penn State who has the #2 class in the Big 10 are also having high expectations. We know its very tough to beat the top programs. Schools like Michigan State and Maryland simply reload talent. A school like Ohio State is returning virtually everyone and will be among the top schools in the league next season.

More like RU will go 8-5/9-4 OOC and then win 3 to 5 Big 10 games putting them anywhere from 11-20 to 14-17. To me that is being realistic of what we can expect. So going forward to me giving one year does nothing because you might as well then let the whole thing play out when Sanders is a junior (and IMO likely his last year) and Freeman a senior. Why would you cut the bait at 13-18 when you actually have a shot at reaching 500 or better the following year. Plus its very tough to recruit when you don't have an extension. Eddie would be a lame duck if he gets a year 4 with no extension. No recruit worth salt...I didn't say no recruit...I said ones worth salt..ie ones who will make a difference aren't coming here. I don't care the scholarship number available because that always changes. Eddie will need to get talent players in.

IF HOBBS IS GOIING TO GIVE EDDIE A SHOT WITH THESE PLAYERS, HE MUST GO ALL IN ON HIM FOR TWO YEARS...EXPLICITLY COMING OUT AND SUPPORTING HIM FOR TWO YEARS....while also giving Eddie a two year extension without perhaps a private provision where that final year could be substianally reduced. One year just does not cut it for many reasons and seems just some fans wanting to not turn their back on Eddie yet. Two years plus an extension shows commitment from Hobbs and allows Eddie to recruit without the lame duck status

To me I have already made up my mind but IMO sending Eddie into year 4 with virtually no backup support is something that to me will not end well. Do it the right way Pat or don't do it at all. Ball is in your court

Bac

Agree.

If EJ stays he needs support so he can recruit.

If Sanders goes .....fire EJ/ next!

MO

 

[bac2therac]

I disagree with you...that's how I felt yesterday. Today there is only way to go

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Bac is on roll

 

[SAE96]

I thought the writing was on the wall after Freeman. Today was just a capper to anyone who was on the fence.

It's hard to argue with the idea that he's lost control of the program. Truthfully, I'm not so sure he ever had control.

 

[RC85]

I thought the writing was on the wall after Freeman. Today was just a capper to anyone who was on the fence.

It's hard to argue with the idea that he's lost control of the program. Truthfully, I'm not so sure he ever had control.

I was on the fence most of this season. Now I want to get to to the other side. Please Eddie, work out a respectful separation deal and let your RU family move on.