EDIT ORIGINAL THREAD TITLE: In light of today and other red flags, Hobbs must fire Eddie

[MADHAT1]

Losing control ?
Could be Eddie would have lost control of the program if he refused to discipline his top players.
Those players and rest of the team would feel they could get away with just about anything they wanted because Jordan wouldn't do anything and the players would have more control of what discipline was handed out then the coaching staff.
Could be Eddie by suspending Freeman and Sanders is showing them that his rules will be followed or those who break them will suffer the consequences .

For all we know, Hobbs agrees with the way Jordan is running the RU MBB program and feels Eddie's disciplinary action will help RU improve in the long run.
Can't say that's the way it is, but others can't say it isn't, only express their opinion that Hobbs
needs to fire Jordan because his team is ( really) bad and he had to discipline his better players.
Hobbs might see it that way or think Jordan deserves another year.
On that: your guess is as good as mine.

 

[socaldave]

Losing control ?
Could be Eddie would have lost control of the program if he refused to discipline his top players.
Those players and rest of the team would feel they could get away with just about anything they wanted because Jordan wouldn't do anything and the players would have more control of what discipline was handed out then the coaching staff.
Could be Eddie by suspending Freeman and Sanders is showing them that his rules will be followed or those who break them will suffer the consequences .

For all we know, Hobbs agrees with the way Jordan is running the RU MBB program and feels Eddie's disciplinary action will help RU improve in the long run.
Can't say that's the way it is, but others can't say it isn't, only express their opinion that Hobbs
needs to fire Jordan because his team is ( really) bad and he had to discipline his better players.
Hobbs might see it that way or think Jordan deserves another year.
On that: your guess is as good as mine.

One thing I don't have to guess about is media reaction. If we sign Eddie to an extension we will be a laughingstock! Time to cut our losses

 

[Mr Magoo]

Losing control ?
Could be Eddie would have lost control of the program if he refused to discipline his top players.
Those players and rest of the team would feel they could get away with just about anything they wanted because Jordan wouldn't do anything and the players would have more control of what discipline was handed out then the coaching staff.
Could be Eddie by suspending Freeman and Sanders is showing them that his rules will be followed or those who break them will suffer the consequences .

For all we know, Hobbs agrees with the way Jordan is running the RU MBB program and feels Eddie's disciplinary action will help RU improve in the long run.
Can't say that's the way it is, but others can't say it isn't, only express their opinion that Hobbs
needs to fire Jordan because his team is ( really) bad and he had to discipline his better players.
Hobbs might see it that way or think Jordan deserves another year.
On that: your guess is as good as mine.

Can't see him getting another year in any way.

Eddie is in a no-win situation here. Yes, he must enforce suspensions if they are warranted. However, the underlying fact is that his two most talented players require disciplinary action. Remember, people wanted HIS players and it turns out HIS players have either been suspended or have below average B1G talent.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Guys

This is on Eddie. And I have been supporting him more than I probably should be. The program should not have these suspensions. Period

 

[MADHAT1]

Can't see him getting another year in any way.

Eddie is in a no-win situation here. Yes, he must enforce suspensions if they are warranted. However, the underlying fact is that his two most talented players require disciplinary action. Remember, people wanted HIS players and it turns out HIS players have either been suspended or have below average B1G talent.

Playing Devil's Advocate in my "Losing control ?" message .
Personally I think Jordan will have a hard time surviving the fact his team is doing so bad and now has discipline issues.
I thought Jordan would get another year to prove he can make the program start heading in the right direction, but with these suspensions I now think Hobbs will make a move and bring in someone that has a fairly good record of turning programs around and not having off the court issues doing it and doesn't take chances on questionable recruits.
The more I think about it, the more I see a Sendek or Seth Greenberg getting a long look ( though Seth has been away from the bench for around 4 years) if their interested and not make demands of time and money Hobbs is not willing to give, or can't get approval for.

Someone on the rise might feel taking over the RU MBB program is to much of a gamble
and a career killer if they fail.
They might expect a lot more than someone trying to revive a career would .

 

[RC85]

Playing Devil's Advocate in my "Losing control ?" message .
Personally I think Jordan will have a hard time surviving the fact his team is doing so bad and now has discipline issues.
I thought Jordan would get another year to prove he can make the program start heading in the right direction, but with these suspensions I now think Hobbs will make a move and bring in someone that has a fairly good record of turning programs around and not having off the court issues doing it and doesn't take chances on questionable recruits.
The more I think about it, the more I see a Sendek or Seth Greenberg getting a long look ( though Seth has been away from the bench for around 4 years) if their interested and not make demands of time and money Hobbs is not willing to give, or can't get approval for.

Someone on the rise might feel taking over the RU MBB program is to much of a gamble
and a career killer if they fail.
They might expect a lot more than someone trying to revive a career would .

I don't see a coach with any chops--a proven turnaround or on-the-rise guy--taking the RU MMB job without an iron-clad start and completion date for practice facilities.

 

[KnightsB10]

Do people really believe that this job won't attract any good candidates? In the Big Ten, a great recruiting area and a job that will pay good money? I'm not suggesting a big name. Maybe someone isn't happy where they are. It's much easier to turn around a basketball program than a football program. They said the same thing about football. There were plenty of people interested in the job. You don't keep a coach because you're afraid you won't do better. That's a loser's mentality. Parting ways with Eddie is now a no brainer. I trust that Hobbs will make an impact hire, just like he did with Ash. I'm sure he's done his homework, back channeled and has good sources.

 

[B1GNJHoops]

Head coaches are survivalists. Most HC's have one eye on the next job or eyeing an opportunity to get back into the game.

Rutgers will attact a good candidate or two. All you need is one to say "Yes"

 

[Mr Magoo]

I still think it's an attractive job . There are no expectations so there is no pressure. You can be a hero but you have to be incredibly bad to fail. Also a lot of people think you are given 3-5 years to build without even showing any progress. You can collect a check, fail, and ride off into the sunset.

 

[MADHAT1]

Head coaches are survivalists. Most HC's have one eye on the next job or eyeing an opportunity to get back into the game.

Rutgers will attact a good candidate or two. All you need is one to say "Yes"

After Rice didn't see a yes from anyone but Eddie.
RU can be attractive, but will Hobbs make it attractive enough to get that yes.You're talking about a program that for years wasn't a good one.
Hobbs just offering the position at an average salary and the usual 5 year contract might not draw the interest of qualified candidates, but will get gambles and/or retreads.

 

[mrslate]

Regardless of my feelings on the matter, I believe there is little or no chance EJ will be back next year. I'm starting to wonder if he will last the season.

 

[bac2therac]

I still think it's an attractive job . There are no expectations so there is no pressure. You can be a hero but you have to be incredibly bad to fail. Also a lot of people think you are given 3-5 years to build without even showing any progress. You can collect a check, fail, and ride off into the sunset.

bingo...this is a low pressure job that comes with high reward. You can get the school to 500 and you will be considered a hero. Bannon, Waters and Rice were all pretty well supported, particulary Rice who had 3 competitive years, pitchforks usually don't come out until your 4th or 5th seasons..In the case of Hill and Jordan they came out earlier because the product on the floor wasn't passing the eye test at all

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

If you want to coach at a top 10 program and you aren't a household name I know of one path.....

 

[KnightsB10]

Looking at these coaching trees is always a good place to look: Pitino, S. Miller, Matta, Izzo, Beilein, K, Williams, Self, Bennett, Calipari, Wright...

 

[RUnTime]

Its either or to me and no inbetween. Everyone knows how I and some others feel by now. Obviously we have a divided fanbase on this issue. I see some wanting to give Eddie one more year just to be sure so while that sounds noble enough, its not really the best idea. I see a lot of people giving best case scenerios of .500 next year and 6-8 wins. Again that is best case scenario..which means no transfers out, no injuries, finally playing defense, and guys like Johnson living up to their billing while the returnees from this year all improve on their game including the banged up players. To me that's a pretty large leap of faith. Has a best case scenario ever worked out at this school. Hobbs should be dealing with the more likely scenerios.

Rutgers will be improved next year. I have never argued they will not be. They will win 6 or 7 games this year. They have to be simply by luck and having more bodies but how much realistically are they going to improve. Remember RU does not exist in a bubble in the Big 10. Schools like Minnesota, Penn State, Nebraska, and Northwestern are examples of schools who know how hard it is to move up this league. You do not go from 0-16/1-5 to 8-10 in this league in one season with lightly recruited talent (besides Sanders). Overall talent level is still in the bottom 4 in this league. Other programs including Penn State who has the #2 class in the Big 10 are also having high expectations. We know its very tough to beat the top programs. Schools like Michigan State and Maryland simply reload talent. A school like Ohio State is returning virtually everyone and will be among the top schools in the league next season.

More like RU will go 8-5/9-4 OOC and then win 3 to 5 Big 10 games putting them anywhere from 11-20 to 14-17. To me that is being realistic of what we can expect. So going forward to me giving one year does nothing because you might as well then let the whole thing play out when Sanders is a junior (and IMO likely his last year) and Freeman a senior. Why would you cut the bait at 13-18 when you actually have a shot at reaching 500 or better the following year. Plus its very tough to recruit when you don't have an extension. Eddie would be a lame duck if he gets a year 4 with no extension. No recruit worth salt...I didn't say no recruit...I said ones worth salt..ie ones who will make a difference aren't coming here. I don't care the scholarship number available because that always changes. Eddie will need to get talent players in.

IF HOBBS IS GOIING TO GIVE EDDIE A SHOT WITH THESE PLAYERS, HE MUST GO ALL IN ON HIM FOR TWO YEARS...EXPLICITLY COMING OUT AND SUPPORTING HIM FOR TWO YEARS....while also giving Eddie a two year extension without perhaps a private provision where that final year could be substianally reduced. One year just does not cut it for many reasons and seems just some fans wanting to not turn their back on Eddie yet. Two years plus an extension shows commitment from Hobbs and allows Eddie to recruit without the lame duck status

To me I have already made up my mind but IMO sending Eddie into year 4 with virtually no backup support is something that to me will not end well. Do it the right way Pat or don't do it at all. Ball is in your court

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Give it up already. How are u still here?

 

[MADHAT1]

bingo...this is a low pressure job that comes with high reward. You can get the school to 500 and you will be considered a hero. Bannon, Waters and Rice were all pretty well supported, particulary Rice who had 3 competitive years, pitchforks usually don't come out until your 4th or 5th seasons..In the case of Hill and Jordan they came out earlier because the product on the floor wasn't passing the eye test at all

Then why hasn't RU attracted the type of coaches that are considered quality candidates.
Seems like RU has been hiring gambles instead.
If the RU HC position is so low pressure with high reward, Rice wouldn't have been even considered and when he was out Jordan wouldn't even have been the second choice.