To me if I’m going to watch a professional sport it’s going to be the best league not minor leagues of junior leagues. The players are not students imo. They wear the uniform and some of them stand for the Alma mater haha. That’s about it. I have no connection to transfers one and done pros etc.
NIL killed college hoops its now professional hoops
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I thought I was for it. Now more than anything I'd like to go back to the way things were, but I doubt that is possible. The old corrupt system full of cheaters and liars, whose cheating and lying floated them to the top, that was actually better than gun-for-hire.
Rutgers will always have younger fans to go to event games in football and basketball but the issue is if you dont cultivate and massage a longstanding loyal fanbase there will be little in game attendance for the Howards and St Peters of the world. Cherry picking not season tix will outnumber your base
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I'll still go to games because my kids enjoy it..but my emotional investment is going to drop off. Maybe it's a matter of dropping season tickets and attending a handful of games instead.
We'll see. Maybe common sense does prevail and they put some transfer guardrails/restrictions in place.
After 35 years I might be dropping mine as well. Next year looks to be awful. I know 4 others in the 100s dropping them for sure. I’m leaving the door open but regardless it was a lot of fun over the years, (even though there were many bad seasons) and apparently there are (or at least were) many clamoring for better seats. This year has been miserable so far. Next year will definitely be the chance for many fans to move up and I hope they have as much fun as we did.
Its very hard.
Especially to become emotionally or financially invested in a team that you know could transfer at any time. Its just not the same.
Before the free agent portal and pay for play professional college sports.
We used to have countless threads on this board about lowering our admission standards for athletes and flat out cheating in order to win.
By a very large margin, keeping our standards as a great learning institution and our GPA’s as a team were far more important to the vast majority of the board.
These principles have now been replaced by our fans are cheap, our fans can’t complain because they don’t give enough money to pay players.
Old fans suck, old fans don’t make enough noise.
Give up your seats so I can move down.
What happened?
We used to have countless threads on this board about lowering our admission standards for athletes and flat out cheating in order to win.
By a very large margin, keeping our standards as a great learning institution and our GPA’s as a team were far more important to the vast majority of the board.
These principles have now been replaced by our fans are cheap, our fans can’t complain because they don’t give enough money to pay players.
Old fans suck, old fans don’t make enough noise.
Give up your seats so I can move down.
What happened?
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Id like to know what happens to the 10 million dollars the incoming freshman QB Michigan flipped, decides to transfer after one year?
This is what I don’t get, are these deals not multiyear contracts? I also don’t understand how these deals are so big when players sit out playoff games. Unless they are structured like Dylan and Ace where it’s not connected to the school.
Reality is that these guys do go to classes and do interact with other students. To say that they ,at this time in the NIL world, are not students is false . And many talk about the Ivy league " model" well ,guess what, those guys get monetary incentives now-- paid internships ,etc.
I'm sure they go to classes.
When I say there's no connection to the university, I think it's more...instead of their mindsets being one of..let me come in, learn my freshman year and then get into the lineup and have a career at this school I love ... It's more "what can I do this year to get more money elsewhere next year"
NIL is the motivator, the lack of transfer restrictions is the enabler.
So are we truly saying that Ace and Dylan are currently attending classes? This is not a knock, I’m just trying to understand. I can’t understand why they would be since any failing grades aren’t registered until after final exams and why would they care anyway…and does it even matter?. Why would they be attending classes if they will be in the NBA in June? If they are, kudos to them but I can’t see it.
When was the last time a player was deemed academically ineligible, or an academic casualty by their own school.
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on top of all that, nil is one of the most mysterious things on the planet. there is no transparency, just rumors , assumptions, misinformation. we literally have no idea what is really going on. just send money for the players.
3 Notre Dame players and 7 Georgia players are sitting out games after entering the portal according tothis article
Notre Dame, Georgia Players Not Playing in the Sugar Bowl
The Georgia Bulldogs and Notre Dame Fighting Irish will do battle on Thursday, but there are several players not playing in the Sugar Bowl.
collegefootballnetwork.com
Thanks Hat!3 Notre Dame players and 7 Georgia players are sitting out games after entering the portal according tothis article
Notre Dame, Georgia Players Not Playing in the Sugar Bowl
The Georgia Bulldogs and Notre Dame Fighting Irish will do battle on Thursday, but there are several players not playing in the Sugar Bowl.
I don’t consider anyone injured as opting out.
And the rest seem like non contributers looking for a school to play at.
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yes Zap , I also feel injured players aren't opting out they just can't play because their injury prevents for playing.
The transfers opting out probably wouldn't have played anyway , so their not being part of the team doesn't hurt but does keep them from being put in if the game is a blowout when the end of bench usually get some playing time. No loss to the team there
I hate to say this, but the way Lathan plays SCREAMS this. As soon as he catches the ball he is going to the rim, no thought at all at team basketball because this off-season he can say hey I averaged 9 points as a freshman center on 18 minutes pay me $750k.
Yeah, feel no connection to the team anymore. Maybe cap NIL amounts by what year you are in/how long you have been with the school.
Freshman - 50k
Sophomore- 100k
Junior - 150k
Senior - 200k+
Amount gets set lower if you transfer out or something like that, maybe eligible for bonus if you stay at the same school. Something needs to change
Freshman - 50k
Sophomore- 100k
Junior - 150k
Senior - 200k+
Amount gets set lower if you transfer out or something like that, maybe eligible for bonus if you stay at the same school. Something needs to change
Just makes it easier for me to not give a crap anymore tbh.
In what world should I get excited about guys like Lathan or Grant flashing? What are they odds they stick around?
How about Nwuli? He's supposed to be a good recruit, right? Am I going to watch him play at RU for 4 years?
Honestly, at this point in the season, why should we even continue to watch? I mean these guys are happy to continue collecting that paycheck even though they aren't holding up their end of the deal.
Why should us as fans hold up our end of the deal? What's the incentive for us? You know, the customers? Entire landscape of college basketball and this program is a joke right now, and it's WAY worse than football.
In what world should I get excited about guys like Lathan or Grant flashing? What are they odds they stick around?
How about Nwuli? He's supposed to be a good recruit, right? Am I going to watch him play at RU for 4 years?
Honestly, at this point in the season, why should we even continue to watch? I mean these guys are happy to continue collecting that paycheck even though they aren't holding up their end of the deal.
Why should us as fans hold up our end of the deal? What's the incentive for us? You know, the customers? Entire landscape of college basketball and this program is a joke right now, and it's WAY worse than football.
They go to classes. I have grandkids that are in classes with them or see them all the time running around campus.
Sounds like if we were winning all would be fine to some guys ,NIL or not. Now if the same guys who bitch said win or lose I'm still no longer following or watching due to NI L there'll be some credibility. But hypocrits are still posting,still writing novels and still full of it.
Better controls and governance are coming, have some faith and remember the old system was school/coach/fan centric and illegal.
NIL has changed the game - but the transfer rules being loosened has had much greater impact (amplified a bit by NIL, but NIL would not have had this level of impact with the old transfer rules intact).
Before the transfer rules were loosened:
- Transfers needed permission from their coach before they could even leave
- Coaches could restrict what teams a player could transfer to
- You could only transfer once before gaining a degree
- Transfers had to sit out a year before they could play, unless they transferred down to Div-II or to a Juco. If they didn't have a redshirt year available, they'd have to burn a year of eligibility instead - meaning players that redshirted as a freshman were much less likely to transfer until their grad year of eligibility.
- Grad transfers had to show that their current school didn't have a grad program in their field
- Conferences could require transfers to sit out two years if transferring to another conference team, if that was even allowed by the conference or coach (making it 5 to play 3, instead of 5 to play 4).
If transferring was as difficult/restricted as it was just 6-7 years ago, the concept of NIL would have much less impact.
Before the transfer rules were loosened:
- Transfers needed permission from their coach before they could even leave
- Coaches could restrict what teams a player could transfer to
- You could only transfer once before gaining a degree
- Transfers had to sit out a year before they could play, unless they transferred down to Div-II or to a Juco. If they didn't have a redshirt year available, they'd have to burn a year of eligibility instead - meaning players that redshirted as a freshman were much less likely to transfer until their grad year of eligibility.
- Grad transfers had to show that their current school didn't have a grad program in their field
- Conferences could require transfers to sit out two years if transferring to another conference team, if that was even allowed by the conference or coach (making it 5 to play 3, instead of 5 to play 4).
If transferring was as difficult/restricted as it was just 6-7 years ago, the concept of NIL would have much less impact.
Ironically, one thing that might help save college hoops is to become more like the NBA and require contracts. Players can't just decide to leave their team mid-contract to go to another NBA team offering more money.
NIL had me caring about football less, and basketball a LOT less. With $$ and the ability to jump to any school every year, I feel like these new players have no reason to care about the school. And many now don’t. It’s only natural for them to think that way. But it has me not caring about them either. And I have 0 motivation to pay them $$ to come or stay here.
The transfer rules are what is impacting my level of attention. I liked watching guys develop from spot-minutes to roleplayers to leaders over the span of their college careers, and then seeing them off on senior day to their next steps in life. That may have ended with Caleb McConnell at Rutgers... don't know if we're going to have that progression much at all going forward.
I was a little ticked when Young and E. Omoruyi left for their final year... more so when Mulcahy left... now I'm just getting a bit numb to it. Just doesn't feel like the players care about their team or program as much anymore - they feel like temps filling a role for a year, then looking for their next stop.
There used to be so few transfers... now every team is full of them.
Incoming transfers (non-JUCO) by year. Most years we had only 1, though a couple of years we had 2 (one being a grad transfer).... until 2021-22, when the rules for transfers changed and a redshirt year was no longer required for transfers.
1996-2009: none
2009-10: Johnathan Mitchell
2010-11: Robert Lumpkins
2011-12: none
2012-13: Wally Judge
2013-14: JJ Moore (grad)
2014-15: Bishop Daniels
2015-16: Omari Grier (grad)
2016-17: Nigel Johnson, CJ Gettys (grad)
2017-18: none
<transfer portal introduced Oct 2018>
2018-19: Peter Kiss
2019-20: Jacob Young, Akwasi Yeboah (grad)
2020-21: none
<rule change that first time transfers no longer need to redshirt a year>
2021-22: Audre Hyatt, Ralph Agee
2022-23: Cam Spencer
2023-24: Jeremiah Williams, Austin Williams (grad), Noah Fernandes (grad)
<rule change to allow multiple transfers without redshirting>
2024-25: Jordan Derkack, PJ Hayes (grad), Tyson Acuff (grad), Zach Martini (grad)
We've had 10 incoming non-JUCO transfers in the 4 years since that rule change.... in the 25 years before the rule change, we had just 11.
1996-2009: none
2009-10: Johnathan Mitchell
2010-11: Robert Lumpkins
2011-12: none
2012-13: Wally Judge
2013-14: JJ Moore (grad)
2014-15: Bishop Daniels
2015-16: Omari Grier (grad)
2016-17: Nigel Johnson, CJ Gettys (grad)
2017-18: none
<transfer portal introduced Oct 2018>
2018-19: Peter Kiss
2019-20: Jacob Young, Akwasi Yeboah (grad)
2020-21: none
<rule change that first time transfers no longer need to redshirt a year>
2021-22: Audre Hyatt, Ralph Agee
2022-23: Cam Spencer
2023-24: Jeremiah Williams, Austin Williams (grad), Noah Fernandes (grad)
<rule change to allow multiple transfers without redshirting>
2024-25: Jordan Derkack, PJ Hayes (grad), Tyson Acuff (grad), Zach Martini (grad)
We've had 10 incoming non-JUCO transfers in the 4 years since that rule change.... in the 25 years before the rule change, we had just 11.
The one and done NBA lockout is a joke in the first place. Let them go straight to the NBA. Matter of fact, if they're ready at 16 or younger, so be it. Christian Pulisic did it in MLS. Flew back to his HS prom on a private jet.
You are right. I am just speculating as well. I do strongly feel that 85% of our roster is making less than 75,000 from NIL/year. I would give that number. The big money in NIL goes to 5% of D1. That is a gut feeling. I just think its way overblown.
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Hunter Dickinson said he was making less than six figures at Michigan before he transferred to Kansas. There will always be more money in transferring than in staying put (just as it is in the corporate world), and the transfer rules changes make it incredibly easy to jump from team to team.
