NIL killed college hoops its now professional hoops

[higgins3]

Hunter Dickinson said he was making less than six figures at Michigan before he transferred to Kansas. There will always be more money in transferring than in staying put (just as it is in the corporate world), and the transfer rules changes make it incredibly easy to jump from team to team.

100%. Things need to be fixed for sure on both sides.

My point is what you said. We are making too much of NIL for the standard player. Yes, normally you get a raise when you change jobs. But that is for the top players at top programs. PJ Hayes, Jordan Derkack, and Zach Martini are not making significant income here.

 

[RUChoppin]

100%. Things need to be fixed for sure on both sides.

My point is what you said. We are making too much of NIL for the standard player. Yes, normally you get a raise when you change jobs. But that is for the top players at top programs. PJ Hayes, Jordan Derkack, and Zach Martini are not making significant income here.

Generally your best bet for increased salary is to switch companies, which has led to a lot of job hopping - and that's not just for top performers. Seems the same is true for NIL, in some ways.

You're always going to be more valuable to a team that needs to fill a vacant role than to one trying to get you to improve in your role.

 

[BigEastPhil]

Video killed the Radio Star.

 

[retired711]

When and if.

The judge has given the House settlement preliminary approval and so the period has begun for past athletes to file claims. There have been objections to the terms of the agreement and the judge will rule on them in March. But none of the objections, as important as some of them are, affect the idea that the schools will start paying athletes directly.

Note also that, as the link says, litigation is moving forward on whether student athletes are "employees" for purposes of the Fair Labor Standards Act or the National Labor Relations Act. The House settlement may well affect that litigation.

https://www.fisherphillips.com/en/news-insights/final-buzzer-ncaa-amateurism-preliminary-approval-of-house-settlement-means-for-college-sports.htm

 

[Knight Shift]

You can apply this to life in general,
A heart surgeon is paid the same whether you live or die on the operating table.
Hopefully you choose a surgeon with pride and integrity.

There were men from another era who didn’t miss a days work for 20 years… something other than money drives people to care

I'm not buying @NickRU714 's false equivalence of player motivation and coach motivation.
Does Nick think every head coach making millions has the attitude- "f it, I'll mail it in each season, and if my record sucks, I will get paid anyway?" Doubtful, and I highly doubt that is Pike's mindset.
Similarly, high level players like to play and compete. Maybe today's generation is different, but doubt any player wants to play for a losing team and not care because they are getting paid. Maybe I'm a Pollyanna.

 

[zappaa]

I'm not buying @NickRU714 's false equivalence of player motivation and coach motivation.
Does Nick think every head coach making millions has the attitude- "f it, I'll mail it in each season, and if my record sucks, I will get paid anyway?" Doubtful, and I highly doubt that is Pike's mindset.
Similarly, high level players like to play and compete. Maybe today's generation is different, but doubt any player wants to play for a losing team and not care because they are getting paid. Maybe I'm a Pollyanna.

You’re not.
My dad was a manager of men at the highest level of sports.
Besides momentarily living and dying with the outcomes of every game.
He loved every player as if they were his own kids.

 

[bac2therac]

does anyone else realize that they will also be paying FORMER athletes as well dating back to 2016..totally absurd

Who gets a piece of the $2.78 billion in damages?​

Along with the future payments to athletes, the NCAA has agreed to compensate former athletes for the money they might have otherwise made during their career. All athletes who played Division I sports from 2016 through the present are eligible to receive some of that money. The 2016 cutoff date is due to the statute of limitations on antitrust claims.

Football and men's basketball players from power conference schools will be eligible to get an average of $135,000, Berman said. Women's basketball players from power conferences could receive an average of $35,000. The likely payout for athletes from other sports will depend on how many enter claims.

For some, payouts will also be based in part on the athlete's potential earning power had they been able to sign NIL deals while in school. Berman said the highest individual estimated payout for one athlete will be $1.8 million.

 

[GORU2014]

I think it will destroy hoops much faster than football due to the limited amount of players involved. 1 or 2 unmotivated starters that absorb all the money will have a much impact than 1-2 on a 90+ team roster.

That would theoretically help promote parity if teams choose to allocate their money more evenly

 

[RUskoolie]

does anyone else realize that they will also be paying FORMER athletes as well dating back to 2016..totally absurd

Who gets a piece of the $2.78 billion in damages?​

Along with the future payments to athletes, the NCAA has agreed to compensate former athletes for the money they might have otherwise made during their career. All athletes who played Division I sports from 2016 through the present are eligible to receive some of that money. The 2016 cutoff date is due to the statute of limitations on antitrust claims.

Football and men's basketball players from power conference schools will be eligible to get an average of $135,000, Berman said. Women's basketball players from power conferences could receive an average of $35,000. The likely payout for athletes from other sports will depend on how many enter claims.

For some, payouts will also be based in part on the athlete's potential earning power had they been able to sign NIL deals while in school. Berman said the highest individual estimated payout for one athlete will be $1.8 million.

Can confirm this is true. Little bro might be getting a massive payday (which selfishly I hope he gets).

 

[NickRU714]

I'm not buying @NickRU714 's false equivalence of player motivation and coach motivation.
Does Nick think every head coach making millions has the attitude- "f it, I'll mail it in each season, and if my record sucks, I will get paid anyway?" Doubtful, and I highly doubt that is Pike's mindset.
Similarly, high level players like to play and compete. Maybe today's generation is different, but doubt any player wants to play for a losing team and not care because they are getting paid. Maybe I'm a Pollyanna.

Of course I dont think that.
But I don't think Ace is mailing it in either.

You dont think every player has the attitude "f it, I'll mail it in this season, and if the team sucks, I will get paid anyway?"
I would suggest some people do.

Well if a player under contract can mail it in - why couldn't a coach?
So my hypothetical doesn't apply to you
But it does for others.

It's not a false equivalent at all.
Both people are under a guaranteed contract regardless of team results.

Someone with only a 1 year expiring contract has less incentive to mail it in than someone under a multi-year contract for much more guaranteed years.

 

[Knight Shift]

Of course I dont think that.
But I don't think Ace is mailing it in either.

You dont think every player has the attitude "f it, I'll mail it in this season, and if the team sucks, I will get paid anyway?"
I would suggest some people do.

Well if a player under contract can mail it in - why couldn't a coach?
So my hypothetical doesn't apply to you
But it does for others.

It's not a false equivalent at all.
Both people are under a guaranteed contract regardless of team results.

Someone with only a 1 year expiring contract has less incentive to mail it in than someone under a multi-year contract for much more guaranteed years.

I think your hypothesis presupposes that the coach does not give a "f", and I submit that the percentage of coaches in that category is very, very small, probably less than 2%. We won't be able to get a statistical sampling because no coach is going to admit that they don't give a "f" if they win or lose as long as they get paid. To your point further, do you think Pikes (or any other coach on a losing streak) is enjoying the losses and the post game press conferences. Generally, these coaches are wired to "want to" win. We can go back and forth on this and argue with each other, but neither one of us is going to be able to find any hard proof. Maybe you can find an article with a fired coach's quote saying something like, "hey, I don't care if I sucked. I'm still getting paid."

 

[High Quality H2O]

Of course I dont think that.
But I don't think Ace is mailing it in either.

You dont think every player has the attitude "f it, I'll mail it in this season, and if the team sucks, I will get paid anyway?"
I would suggest some people do.

Well if a player under contract can mail it in - why couldn't a coach?
So my hypothetical doesn't apply to you
But it does for others.

It's not a false equivalent at all.
Both people are under a guaranteed contract regardless of team results.

Someone with only a 1 year expiring contract has less incentive to mail it in than someone under a multi-year contract for much more guaranteed years.

Why do you constantly compare the dynamics of the players’ situation to the coaches?

As if it’s players vs coaches…?

They are in different positions. Literally and relatively.

BTW, if the players are getting shafted so badly. Any of these kids are welcome to apply for a coaching position instead of a roster spot, if they feel that’s in their best interest.

Instead of “but the coaches” how about we hear about why more 19 YOs are getting shafted on their status as a coaching candidate.

 

[retired711]

does anyone else realize that they will also be paying FORMER athletes as well dating back to 2016..totally absurd

Who gets a piece of the $2.78 billion in damages?​

Along with the future payments to athletes, the NCAA has agreed to compensate former athletes for the money they might have otherwise made during their career. All athletes who played Division I sports from 2016 through the present are eligible to receive some of that money. The 2016 cutoff date is due to the statute of limitations on antitrust claims.

Football and men's basketball players from power conference schools will be eligible to get an average of $135,000, Berman said. Women's basketball players from power conferences could receive an average of $35,000. The likely payout for athletes from other sports will depend on how many enter claims.

For some, payouts will also be based in part on the athlete's potential earning power had they been able to sign NIL deals while in school. Berman said the highest individual estimated payout for one athlete will be $1.8 million.

Every link I've posted about the settlement has made this clear. Schools are going to have to chip in to pay that $2.78 billion. The compensation is for the income these athletes would have received if the NCAA hadn't forbidden them to receive payments for their NIL. There's nothing surprising about it at all.

 

[bac2therac]

Every link I've posted about the settlement has made this clear. Schools are going to have to chip in to pay that $2.78 billion. The compensation is for the income these athletes would have received if the NCAA hadn't forbidden them to receive payments for their NIL. There's nothing surprising about it at all.

what is the significance of 2016

 

[High Quality H2O]

Every link I've posted about the settlement has made this clear. Schools are going to have to chip in to pay that $2.78 billion. The compensation is for the income these athletes would have received if the NCAA hadn't forbidden them to receive payments for their NIL. There's nothing surprising about it at all.

2.78B is the estimated amount of endorsement money that would have been paid to student athletes in exchange for use of their name image and likeness during that time period?!
That’s wild?

Or is that the estimated amount of what they would have received for pay for play?

If it’s the second, how did they bench mark using compensation that was achieved not in the spirit of the ruling but in violation of the since established new guidelines permitting NIL, albeit not enforced.