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NIL killed college hoops its now professional hoops

Hunter Dickinson said he was making less than six figures at Michigan before he transferred to Kansas. There will always be more money in transferring than in staying put (just as it is in the corporate world), and the transfer rules changes make it incredibly easy to jump from team to team.
100%. Things need to be fixed for sure on both sides.

My point is what you said. We are making too much of NIL for the standard player. Yes, normally you get a raise when you change jobs. But that is for the top players at top programs. PJ Hayes, Jordan Derkack, and Zach Martini are not making significant income here.
 
100%. Things need to be fixed for sure on both sides.

My point is what you said. We are making too much of NIL for the standard player. Yes, normally you get a raise when you change jobs. But that is for the top players at top programs. PJ Hayes, Jordan Derkack, and Zach Martini are not making significant income here.
Generally your best bet for increased salary is to switch companies, which has led to a lot of job hopping - and that's not just for top performers. Seems the same is true for NIL, in some ways.

You're always going to be more valuable to a team that needs to fill a vacant role than to one trying to get you to improve in your role.
 
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When and if.
The judge has given the House settlement preliminary approval and so the period has begun for past athletes to file claims. There have been objections to the terms of the agreement and the judge will rule on them in March. But none of the objections, as important as some of them are, affect the idea that the schools will start paying athletes directly.

Note also that, as the link says, litigation is moving forward on whether student athletes are "employees" for purposes of the Fair Labor Standards Act or the National Labor Relations Act. The House settlement may well affect that litigation.

https://www.fisherphillips.com/en/news-insights/final-buzzer-ncaa-amateurism-preliminary-approval-of-house-settlement-means-for-college-sports.htm
 
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You can apply this to life in general,
A heart surgeon is paid the same whether you live or die on the operating table.
Hopefully you choose a surgeon with pride and integrity.

There were men from another era who didn’t miss a days work for 20 years… something other than money drives people to care
I'm not buying @NickRU714 's false equivalence of player motivation and coach motivation.
Does Nick think every head coach making millions has the attitude- "f it, I'll mail it in each season, and if my record sucks, I will get paid anyway?" Doubtful, and I highly doubt that is Pike's mindset.
Similarly, high level players like to play and compete. Maybe today's generation is different, but doubt any player wants to play for a losing team and not care because they are getting paid. Maybe I'm a Pollyanna.
 
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I'm not buying @NickRU714 's false equivalence of player motivation and coach motivation.
Does Nick think every head coach making millions has the attitude- "f it, I'll mail it in each season, and if my record sucks, I will get paid anyway?" Doubtful, and I highly doubt that is Pike's mindset.
Similarly, high level players like to play and compete. Maybe today's generation is different, but doubt any player wants to play for a losing team and not care because they are getting paid. Maybe I'm a Pollyanna.
You’re not.
My dad was a manager of men at the highest level of sports.
Besides momentarily living and dying with the outcomes of every game.
He loved every player as if they were his own kids.
 
does anyone else realize that they will also be paying FORMER athletes as well dating back to 2016..totally absurd

Who gets a piece of the $2.78 billion in damages?​

Along with the future payments to athletes, the NCAA has agreed to compensate former athletes for the money they might have otherwise made during their career. All athletes who played Division I sports from 2016 through the present are eligible to receive some of that money. The 2016 cutoff date is due to the statute of limitations on antitrust claims.

Football and men's basketball players from power conference schools will be eligible to get an average of $135,000, Berman said. Women's basketball players from power conferences could receive an average of $35,000. The likely payout for athletes from other sports will depend on how many enter claims.

For some, payouts will also be based in part on the athlete's potential earning power had they been able to sign NIL deals while in school. Berman said the highest individual estimated payout for one athlete will be $1.8 million.
 
I think it will destroy hoops much faster than football due to the limited amount of players involved. 1 or 2 unmotivated starters that absorb all the money will have a much impact than 1-2 on a 90+ team roster.
That would theoretically help promote parity if teams choose to allocate their money more evenly
 
does anyone else realize that they will also be paying FORMER athletes as well dating back to 2016..totally absurd

Who gets a piece of the $2.78 billion in damages?​

Along with the future payments to athletes, the NCAA has agreed to compensate former athletes for the money they might have otherwise made during their career. All athletes who played Division I sports from 2016 through the present are eligible to receive some of that money. The 2016 cutoff date is due to the statute of limitations on antitrust claims.

Football and men's basketball players from power conference schools will be eligible to get an average of $135,000, Berman said. Women's basketball players from power conferences could receive an average of $35,000. The likely payout for athletes from other sports will depend on how many enter claims.

For some, payouts will also be based in part on the athlete's potential earning power had they been able to sign NIL deals while in school. Berman said the highest individual estimated payout for one athlete will be $1.8 million.
Can confirm this is true. Little bro might be getting a massive payday (which selfishly I hope he gets).
 
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I'm not buying @NickRU714 's false equivalence of player motivation and coach motivation.
Does Nick think every head coach making millions has the attitude- "f it, I'll mail it in each season, and if my record sucks, I will get paid anyway?" Doubtful, and I highly doubt that is Pike's mindset.
Similarly, high level players like to play and compete. Maybe today's generation is different, but doubt any player wants to play for a losing team and not care because they are getting paid. Maybe I'm a Pollyanna.

Of course I dont think that.
But I don't think Ace is mailing it in either.

You dont think every player has the attitude "f it, I'll mail it in this season, and if the team sucks, I will get paid anyway?"
I would suggest some people do.

Well if a player under contract can mail it in - why couldn't a coach?
So my hypothetical doesn't apply to you
But it does for others.

It's not a false equivalent at all.
Both people are under a guaranteed contract regardless of team results.

Someone with only a 1 year expiring contract has less incentive to mail it in than someone under a multi-year contract for much more guaranteed years.
 
Of course I dont think that.
But I don't think Ace is mailing it in either.

You dont think every player has the attitude "f it, I'll mail it in this season, and if the team sucks, I will get paid anyway?"
I would suggest some people do.

Well if a player under contract can mail it in - why couldn't a coach?
So my hypothetical doesn't apply to you
But it does for others.

It's not a false equivalent at all.
Both people are under a guaranteed contract regardless of team results.

Someone with only a 1 year expiring contract has less incentive to mail it in than someone under a multi-year contract for much more guaranteed years.
I think your hypothesis presupposes that the coach does not give a "f", and I submit that the percentage of coaches in that category is very, very small, probably less than 2%. We won't be able to get a statistical sampling because no coach is going to admit that they don't give a "f" if they win or lose as long as they get paid. To your point further, do you think Pikes (or any other coach on a losing streak) is enjoying the losses and the post game press conferences. Generally, these coaches are wired to "want to" win. We can go back and forth on this and argue with each other, but neither one of us is going to be able to find any hard proof. Maybe you can find an article with a fired coach's quote saying something like, "hey, I don't care if I sucked. I'm still getting paid."
 
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Of course I dont think that.
But I don't think Ace is mailing it in either.

You dont think every player has the attitude "f it, I'll mail it in this season, and if the team sucks, I will get paid anyway?"
I would suggest some people do.

Well if a player under contract can mail it in - why couldn't a coach?
So my hypothetical doesn't apply to you
But it does for others.

It's not a false equivalent at all.
Both people are under a guaranteed contract regardless of team results.

Someone with only a 1 year expiring contract has less incentive to mail it in than someone under a multi-year contract for much more guaranteed years.
Why do you constantly compare the dynamics of the players’ situation to the coaches?

As if it’s players vs coaches…?

They are in different positions. Literally and relatively.

BTW, if the players are getting shafted so badly. Any of these kids are welcome to apply for a coaching position instead of a roster spot, if they feel that’s in their best interest.

Instead of “but the coaches” how about we hear about why more 19 YOs are getting shafted on their status as a coaching candidate.
 
does anyone else realize that they will also be paying FORMER athletes as well dating back to 2016..totally absurd

Who gets a piece of the $2.78 billion in damages?​

Along with the future payments to athletes, the NCAA has agreed to compensate former athletes for the money they might have otherwise made during their career. All athletes who played Division I sports from 2016 through the present are eligible to receive some of that money. The 2016 cutoff date is due to the statute of limitations on antitrust claims.

Football and men's basketball players from power conference schools will be eligible to get an average of $135,000, Berman said. Women's basketball players from power conferences could receive an average of $35,000. The likely payout for athletes from other sports will depend on how many enter claims.

For some, payouts will also be based in part on the athlete's potential earning power had they been able to sign NIL deals while in school. Berman said the highest individual estimated payout for one athlete will be $1.8 million.
Every link I've posted about the settlement has made this clear. Schools are going to have to chip in to pay that $2.78 billion. The compensation is for the income these athletes would have received if the NCAA hadn't forbidden them to receive payments for their NIL. There's nothing surprising about it at all.
 
Every link I've posted about the settlement has made this clear. Schools are going to have to chip in to pay that $2.78 billion. The compensation is for the income these athletes would have received if the NCAA hadn't forbidden them to receive payments for their NIL. There's nothing surprising about it at all.
what is the significance of 2016
 
Every link I've posted about the settlement has made this clear. Schools are going to have to chip in to pay that $2.78 billion. The compensation is for the income these athletes would have received if the NCAA hadn't forbidden them to receive payments for their NIL. There's nothing surprising about it at all.
2.78B is the estimated amount of endorsement money that would have been paid to student athletes in exchange for use of their name image and likeness during that time period?!
That’s wild?

Or is that the estimated amount of what they would have received for pay for play?

If it’s the second, how did they bench mark using compensation that was achieved not in the spirit of the ruling but in violation of the since established new guidelines permitting NIL, albeit not enforced.
 
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2.78B is the estimated amount of endorsement money that would have been paid to student athletes in exchange for use of their name image and likeness during that time period?!
That’s wild?

Or is that the estimated amount of what they would have received for pay for play?

If it’s the second, how did they bench mark using compensation that was achieved not in the spirit of the ruling but in violation of the since established new guidelines permitting NIL, albeit not enforced.
It's a settlement -- it's not based on any specific benchmark, but rather represents an agreement between the plaintiffs and the NCAA based on what each thinks it's worth to settle the lawsuit rather than to take it to trial and risk a worse outcome.
 
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sorry Geo its not about selling t shirts or a basketball camp

Coleman Hawkins is making $2 million at Kansas State to mail it in and underperform for a 7-7 Kansas State team that is going nowhere and will finish near the bottom of the Big 12 standings. Normally he would have made peanuts in the G League. Now marginal NBA players are duping college programs to pay them huge amounts

Great Osobor is making $2 million at Washington to average 9.8 points for a 10-6 team that is on everyones list to miss the Big 10 tournament

Jonnel Davis is making over $1 million at Arkansas to average under 10 ppg half of the previous year for a Arkansas team that will likely straddle the bubble under Calipari

Someone not Rutgers is paying Dylan/Ace $1.8/.1.6 million to play at 8-8 Rutgers and likely miss the Big 10 tournament

AJ Dybantsa will make $4 million to attend BYU next year

not basketball but https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/6...l-players-sue-coach-over-failed-nil-payments/

And we all just play pretend and say ooh this was happening before, now its just out in the open..haha yeah right
Interesting we were finally moving up as an program, and in that process developed one of the very players integral in creating nil
As which you say destroyed college bball and soon to be football.
I said it when it was happening, and here we are!
 
It’s didn’t just kill college hoops - it will kill many other college sports as well.

The majority of athletes will suffer at the expense of the top talent in men’s football, men’s basketball….and the very select top talent in other men’s and women’s sports.
As I said from the very beginning, not surprised we are here!
 
It's a settlement -- it's not based on any specific benchmark, but rather represents an agreement between the plaintiffs and the NCAA based on what each thinks it's worth to settle the lawsuit rather than to take it to trial and risk a worse outcome.
Thanks.

A deal is a deal, but man that sounds way out of the ballpark of what their endorsements could have rendered from 2016-2021.
 
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sorry Geo its not about selling t shirts or a basketball camp

Coleman Hawkins is making $2 million at Kansas State to mail it in and underperform for a 7-7 Kansas State team that is going nowhere and will finish near the bottom of the Big 12 standings. Normally he would have made peanuts in the G League. Now marginal NBA players are duping college programs to pay them huge amounts

Great Osobor is making $2 million at Washington to average 9.8 points for a 10-6 team that is on everyones list to miss the Big 10 tournament

Jonnel Davis is making over $1 million at Arkansas to average under 10 ppg half of the previous year for a Arkansas team that will likely straddle the bubble under Calipari

Someone not Rutgers is paying Dylan/Ace $1.8/.1.6 million to play at 8-8 Rutgers and likely miss the Big 10 tournament

AJ Dybantsa will make $4 million to attend BYU next year

not basketball but https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/6...l-players-sue-coach-over-failed-nil-payments/

And we all just play pretend and say ooh this was happening before, now its just out in the open..haha yeah right
NIL is a huge over correction
 
5 pages of more whining and crying and not one post about why Bill Belicheck gets 10M per season or what John Calipari makes, Greg Schiano makes or any of the wildly overpaid Head coaches.....but if a player somehow gets 200K to 400K, burn the building to the ground LMAO!!

The pure sport nonsense of players like Marcus Camby, Lou Roe and others playing for good old UMass and no mention of Calipari making how many millions off of every player?? John Calipari gets paid irregardless of whether players come and go, the players have maybe a couple of years to see "something " for their skills or talent.

The pure jealousy by fans against players who now don't have to hide whatever money they get......and actually getting less than 1% of a billion dollars that they actually generate is wild stuff. Only in America, do certain very smart and capable people, ignore facts and reality.

People don't stop watching sports because players started making too much money.....the fans stop watching the sports because the OWNERS AND COACHING, slacks off and they also start coasting along because they're GUARANTEED the contract they signed.

Gus Malzahn was a very good coach in CFB and had Auburn near the top of the SEC and because they didn't beat Alabama enough and Nick Saban, his contract had a stipulation that if he is let go, he is due HALF of his guaranteed contract within 30 DAYS of his dismissal.....Auburn and the dumb fans and donors agreed to burn the money on the coach....

Jimbo Fisher walked away or was let go and was paid 75 MILLION dollars at Texas A&M and A&M suddenly couldn't afford a decent replacement and settled on Mike Elko.

Was it smart for the people to burn 75M on a guaranteed contract for 8 to 10 years OR is it more logical to possibly share some of the revenue with the actual players, who are playing and paying a coach half or 40% less??

This is NOT a NIL issue folks, this is a COACHING issue that is not being addressed or discussed. Coaches are laughing all the way to retirement and it's the players fault??

The sports that are well coached and have coaches that actually care and hold players accountable and get those players to be productive are the sports that fans watch. Not watching Aaron Boone coast through baseball seasons or Brian Cashman do nothing to move the players towards being more productive.

Carry on folks with the complaints on NIL....!!
 
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5 pages of more whining and crying and not one post about why Bill Belicheck gets 10M per season or what John Calipari makes, Greg Schiano makes or any of the wildly overpaid Head coaches.....but if a player somehow gets 200K to 400K, burn the building to the ground LMAO!!

The pure sport nonsense of players like Marcus Camby, Lou Roe and others playing for good old UMass and no mention of Calipari making how many millions off of every player?? John Calipari gets paid irregardless of whether players come and go, the players have maybe a couple of years to see "something " for their skills or talent.

The pure jealousy by fans against players who now don't have to hide whatever money they get......and actually getting less than 1% of a billion dollars that they actually generate is wild stuff. Only in America, do certain very smart and capable people, ignore facts and reality.

People don't stop watching sports because players started making too much money.....the fans stop watching the sports because the OWNERS AND COACHING, slacks off and they also start coasting along because they're GUARANTEED the contract they signed.

Gus Malzahn was a very good coach in CFB and had Auburn near the top of the SEC and because they didn't beat Alabama enough and Nick Saban, his contract had a stipulation that if he is let go, he is due HALF of his guaranteed contract within 30 DAYS of his dismissal.....Auburn and the dumb fans and donors agreed to burn the money on the coach....

Jimbo Fisher walked away or was let go and was paid 75 MILLION dollars at Texas A&M and A&M suddenly couldn't afford a decent replacement and settled on Mike Elko.

Was it smart for the people to burn 75M on a guaranteed contract for 8 to 10 years OR is it more logical to possibly share some of the revenue with the actual players, who are playing and paying a coach half or 40% less??

This is NOT a NIL issue folks, this is a COACHING issue that is not being addressed or discussed. Coaches are laughing all the way to retirement and it's the players fault??

The sports that are well coached and have coaches that actually care and hold players accountable and get those players to be productive are the sports that fans watch. Not watching Aaron Boone coast through baseball seasons or Brian Cashman do nothing to move the players towards being more productive.

Carry on folks with the complaints on NIL....!!
Huh? Nobody brings up Bill Belicheck or John Calipari and what they make because no body is asking the everyman to pay their salaries. Yet every other day regular people are guilted for not donating enough to pay 18yr old kids.
 
Huh? Nobody brings up Bill Belicheck or John Calipari and what they make because no body is asking the everyman to pay their salaries. Yet every other day regular people are guilted for not donating enough to pay 18yr old kids.

What do you think "mandatory donations" above and beyond ticket prices is paying for?

The entire college athletics model is bases on asking the "everyman" to pay.

What happens when an AD wants to fire a coach? They guilt "regular people" into paying for the buyout.

"We can't fire Coach Ash because there is no money to pay the buyout unless fans pay for it."
 
What do you think "mandatory donations" above and beyond ticket prices is paying for?

The entire college athletics model is bases on asking the "everyman" to pay.

What happens when an AD wants to fire a coach? They guilt "regular people" into paying for the buyout.

"We can't fire Coach Ash because there is no money to pay the buyout unless fans pay for it."
People have the option to say no to those, they choose not to. Nobody gives them a hard time if they choose not to pay mandatory donations. People are told its their fault teams stink if the don't contribute to pay for play.
 
People have the option to say no to those, they choose not to. Nobody gives them a hard time if they choose not to pay mandatory donations. People are told its their fault teams stink if the don't contribute to pay for play.

People have been told for years it's their fault the teams stink if they don't contribute to the atheltic department.

Literally look at any facilities or "fieldhouse" thread.
Any thread talking about AD donations points how far we are behind OSU/UM and that's why we can't compete.

All well before "pay to play".

Lots of talk about bad fans for not donating back during the Ash Era and how the AD needs your donation in order to win.

 
People have been told for years it's their fault the teams stink if they don't contribute to the atheltic department.

Literally look at any facilities or "fieldhouse" thread.
Any thread talking about AD donations points how far we are behind OSU/UM and that's why we can't compete.

All well before "pay to play".

Lots of talk about bad fans for not donating back during the Ash Era and how the AD needs your donation in order to win.

Because it's true? The level of our shittiness is correlated to the piss poor levels of giving.

R Fund keeps trying to squeeze blood from the same stone of donors. Anytime I read this board about donations 9 out of 10 times its someone pointing to a rich person to give.

We need facilities, we need scholarships endowed and we need NIL.

A lot of other schools only need 1.

Can you figure out why most of our teams suck yet?
 
Because it's true? The level of our shittiness is correlated to the piss poor levels of giving.

R Fund keeps trying to squeeze blood from the same stone of donors. Anytime I read this board about donations 9 out of 10 times its someone pointing to a rich person to give.

We need facilities, we need scholarships endowed and we need NIL.

A lot of other schools only need 1.

Can you figure out why most of our teams suck yet?

The average fan contribution is barely a drop in the bucket. Without businesses and large donors footing a hefty chunk of the bill, NIL will always be lacking.

Omoruyi got $1M to go to Alabama, and reportedly had an offer for twice that. You'd need 10,000 people each kicking in $100 to even be in the bidding for just that one player.
 
Just let them vote to unionize. I know many hate that but collective bargaining with legitimate contracts and restrains/protections will help level the playing field and protect lesser players. It certainly has been done before .
So much for Student athletics. RIP
 
So much for Student athletics. RIP
nobody cares. many on here don’t get it.
NIL has turned frat boys playing sports into professional celebrities. The money involved and the lack of transparency has created a mystique around the athletes. The bidding wars for talented transfers and hs recruits adds to the interest in the off season and adds to the “star” power of individual players.
Every year is the start of a new fantasy league. College football and basketball are exploding in popularity.
 
The average fan contribution is barely a drop in the bucket. Without businesses and large donors footing a hefty chunk of the bill, NIL will always be lacking.

Omoruyi got $1M to go to Alabama, and reportedly had an offer for twice that. You'd need 10,000 people each kicking in $100 to even be in the bidding for just that one player.
You do know we have one of the largest living alumni bases in the USA.. If thst number only contributed a couple of hundred each
 
sorry Geo its not about selling t shirts or a basketball camp

Coleman Hawkins is making $2 million at Kansas State to mail it in and underperform for a 7-7 Kansas State team that is going nowhere and will finish near the bottom of the Big 12 standings. Normally he would have made peanuts in the G League. Now marginal NBA players are duping college programs to pay them huge amounts

Great Osobor is making $2 million at Washington to average 9.8 points for a 10-6 team that is on everyones list to miss the Big 10 tournament

Jonnel Davis is making over $1 million at Arkansas to average under 10 ppg half of the previous year for a Arkansas team that will likely straddle the bubble under Calipari

Someone not Rutgers is paying Dylan/Ace $1.8/.1.6 million to play at 8-8 Rutgers and likely miss the Big 10 tournament

AJ Dybantsa will make $4 million to attend BYU next year

not basketball but https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/6...l-players-sue-coach-over-failed-nil-payments/

And we all just play pretend and say ooh this was happening before, now its just out in the open..haha yeah right
I love it get all you can get. They make MILLIONS off of these kids.
 
You do know we have one of the largest living alumni bases in the USA.. If thst number only contributed a couple of hundred each
That's not the pertinent category.

The pertinent categories are two-fold ...

1. Largest living alumni bases who experienced football and mens basketball success during their lifetimes (especially while they were attending the school) , and to a much lesser extent,

2. Largest living alumni bases who enjoyed their time living on campus and have positive feelings towards the university.

And in these two pertinent categories, Rutgers is way, way behind most P4 universities.
 
You do know we have one of the largest living alumni bases in the USA.. If thst number only contributed a couple of hundred each
"We reached and surpassed a $250 million fundraising goal because of a surge in new givers: more than 7,500 of our 34,000 donors in fiscal year 2024 were first-time donors." - Jonathan Holloway in Rutgers' 2024 Annual Financial Report

Rutgers has plenty of donors. They choose to donate to academics, not athletics. Given the state of the athletic department, who can blame them.

This situation is unlikely to change. Rutgers sports fans must accept it even when they don't like it.
 
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