In the NBA, exponentially better defense is played against much more sophisticated offenses. I'm sure Pikiell would love to get his players to defend the way the Oklahoma City Thunder do.
Ha - at least I owned by lack of knowledge of the game.
In the NBA, exponentially better defense is played against much more sophisticated offenses. I'm sure Pikiell would love to get his players to defend the way the Oklahoma City Thunder do.
i will always be thinking of ron jr though
Ha - at least I owned by lack of knowledge of the game.
I think in future there will be two year contracts. Gives the kid a chance to transfer once and u get to have a team for two yearsim not interested in paying one year rentals, thats why i will likely be outta here soon. I have no connection to Dylan Harper just like I have no connection to PJ Hayes. In 6 months they will just be names to me that passed through here.
Greene is right...just watch the nba instead and even there you have a cohesive team from year to year but I never watch the nba so that will not work.
again you keep comparing the current situation to how its always been done and no this isnt the same
The problem is that, with no antitrust exemption or collective bargaining agreement, just about ANY "restriction" on college athletes' movement or compensation is probably illegal.I think in future there will be two year contracts. Gives the kid a chance to transfer once and u get to have a team for two years
How did Xavian Lee or Brayden Smith do against our defense?
Even last year with our great defense.
Every player in the NBA has a better offensive skillset in nearly every aspect than them.
12 players better and bigger than Lee on every team.
Even most centers can adequately shoot 3s.
Caleb McConnell was arguably the best defensive player in the country.
And even his defense can't get him onto an NBA roster because he's so far behind offensively.
RHJ can't get on an NBA roster because his offense and defense are so far behind.
Now design a defense to stop that consistently.
Hawk,But it is and is the harsh reality for most players....just because it was never that way at RU, doesn't mean it didn't happen in the SEC, Big 8, Pac 10, Big East and ACC since the 80s.....
What's disappointing about the articles being written is just acting as if this is "NEW".....like Duke convinced Jay Williams to play there and that Dahntay Jones miraculously realized he was more valuable at Duke than RU......these players selected Duke because of money, not academics or something else.
The problem is some fanbases have been lied to by coaches for years....the alumni want the wins and they want this buried and underground, for some odd reason.....when other coaches like Schiano 15 to 20 years ago stated that "not every kid is a Rutgers man", we care about making sure they go to class and some other schools don't ".....it was something that made fans feel good about knowing that they're going to compete "the right way"......
That is powerful stuff.....if fans want to be lied to, it can't happen anymore and it's the players fault now??
The reason why it is so uncomfortable for fans is that there’s no one to blame in this scenario.....fans are used to blaming the Knicks owner James Dolan....Or the Jets old owner Leon Hess.....or now it's Woody Johnson for the Jets or even the Mara family is being questioned....
In pro sports, blame the owners for not spending money up to the max available to win....
In college sports it's up to YOU to ensure RU wins enough....or up to ME and every reader to do so.....OR convince a billionaire RU fan or alumni to care enough and fund these players.
Stop living in denial....until it is important enough for an amount of RU fans, that's when things change.....
I agree with you except the NBA is unwatchable.im not interested in paying one year rentals, thats why i will likely be outta here soon. I have no connection to Dylan Harper just like I have no connection to PJ Hayes. In 6 months they will just be names to me that passed through here.
Greene is right...just watch the nba instead and even there you have a cohesive team from year to year but I never watch the nba so that will not work.
again you keep comparing the current situation to how its always been done and no this isnt the same
The point guard for Michigan last season Dug somethingHawk,
When was the last time you saw a kid become academically ineligible? Yea, boosters gonna be boosters but the academic side has disappeared. Maybe UNC was ahead of its time with the sham academic courses.
1 guy out of thousands of players in 2 yearsThe point guard for Michigan last season Dug something
Would you rather a track meet and win or a swarming gritty defense and lose?
People (and coaches) get to stuck on “how” teams should win instead of what’s most likely to lead to winning.
I don’t know what it is with you and thinking that every time someone expresses a preference beyond “winning” it’s hypocritical or something.
Just because winning is often the first priority it doesn’t mean other preferences can’t exist.
It’s funny to watch people who don’t watch the NBA comment on the NBA. The offensive players are exponentially more talented, that they also don’t understand the defense is also on a much higher level, but the superstars in the NBA are almost unstoppable when they are rolling, regardless of what the other team throws at them.How did Xavian Lee or Brayden Smith do against our defense?
Even last year with our great defense.
Every player in the NBA has a better offensive skillset in nearly every aspect than them.
12 players better and bigger than Lee on every team.
Even most centers can adequately shoot 3s.
Caleb McConnell was arguably the best defensive player in the country.
And even his defense can't get him onto an NBA roster because he's so far behind offensively.
RHJ can't get on an NBA roster because his offense and defense are so far behind.
Now design a defense to stop that consistently.
How did Irving fare in college?It’s funny to watch people who don’t watch the NBA comment on the NBA. The offensive players are exponentially more talented, that they also don’t understand the defense is also on a much higher level, but the superstars in the NBA are almost unstoppable when they are rolling, regardless of what the other team throws at them.
Just to highlight the difference between college and the pros, you could take the best defense Pike has had in his years here, and put that team out against Kyrie Irving, by himself. Kyrie could take the ball from one end, dribble through all 5 players and lay the ball up 10 out of 10 times.
Sure others can exist.
But first priority means above all else.
Hence the term priority.
If you say "I want Rutgers to win. But only if the score is under 70" that's fine.
But then you don't just want Rutgers to win. You want them to win "your way".
Again - which is fine.
Just a little weird to me personally. To put qualifications on your fandom.
If you told me the best odds for Rutgers to win the Big Ten was taking 95% long 2s;- sign me up. Lets go.
Yup....been saying for a while now (and don't be surprised if it doesn't happen next December)....that football players will be transferring to other schools just in time for the playoffs (yes, I realize there's no "window" open....BUT....who is going to stop them at this point???)."Guys will be transferring at halftime pretty soon." That day is not far off.
Thats impressiveKyrie Irving, by himself. Kyrie could take the ball from one end, dribble through all 5 players and lay the ball up 10 out of 10 times.
He played all of 11 games. BTW, that season at Duke … he sat next to me at a game at the RAC. A heck of a nice guy. He was there to see a Rutgers player who hailed from North Carolina, who was the brother of one of Kyrie’s friends.Pretty damn good
didn't even touch on the CC years no longer counting part either.rusojo....but other teams had similar situations.....
I think it boils down to the current landscape is all players have 4 1 year scholarships. We have total free agency every year.
Lot's of folks love to trash the Rutgers fanbase for the NIL budget but perhaps we're not as stupid as folks like to make us out to be (I do contribute a bit). Perhaps we've just decided to put our collective (no pun intended) foot down and say no, too far.im not interested in paying one year rentals, thats why i will likely be outta here soon. I have no connection to Dylan Harper just like I have no connection to PJ Hayes. In 6 months they will just be names to me that passed through here.
Greene is right...just watch the nba instead and even there you have a cohesive team from year to year but I never watch the nba so that will not work.
again you keep comparing the current situation to how its always been done and no this isnt the same
Oh, I know, but he was special those 11. Don't think he started them all either.He played all of 11 games. BTW, that season at Duke … he sat next to me at a game at the RAC. A heck of a nice guy. He was there to see a Rutgers player who hailed from North Carolina, who was the brother of one of Kyrie’s friends.
Yep. Think about that. To even say Rutgers success is partially/mostly predicated on the a sum of money collected from it's fanbase to purchase the services of players is insane.Our success is predicated on how much our fans donate.
I think I was less excited about this season more than I have been in the last 10 years. Other been being at the Prudential Center and watching Princeton execute an uncontested, layup clinic against Rutgers, I'd say I hardly watched a cumulative 60 minutes of Rutgers basketball this year. NIL killed it for me.Did you feel that way pre-season?
There was no connection to Dylan and Ace then but everyone seemed pretty excited to watch the team.
Probably paywall so just some notable quotables…
DAN SHAUGHNESSY
The men’s NCAA tournament used to be great. But now that it’s professional basketball? No thanks.
“With the Power Four conferences, it’s fraud in terms of terminology,” says Leo Papile, former player personnel director of the Celtics (14 seasons) and presently a senior adviser with the Clippers who founded the Boston Athletic Basketball Club (BABC) 48 years ago. “They use the term ‘student-athletes.’ That’s fraud. If you brought that to trial, it would be very easy to prove that that does not exist. I’m not a scholar, but I know that in order to get a degree, you can’t bounce around three or four schools in four years.”
“Today’s NCAA basketball is unregulated professional basketball. Frothy fans boost their favorite school, screaming their heads off for skilled professional players, most of whom have zero allegiance to said college, and some of whom maybe never set foot in a classroom or interacted with anyone on campus outside of the athletic department and compliance office.”
“When history is reviewed years from now, there’ll be an asterisk for UConn winning last year because their starting guards were fifth-year players,” says Papile. “That’s like 15-year-olds playing in Little League. It’s the same with St. John’s this year. I know Pitino’s a wizard now and Dan Hurley’s a wizard. The shills talk about how they’re all Michelangelo and Picasso. They make them out to be geniuses. They’re nice guys and everything, but they’re not kings of science. They’re using players that for the previous hundred years would have been ineligible. Three schools is the norm. These are short-term rentals.“
How can programs like Tommy Amaker's Harvard compete in the modern college basketball landscape? “I’m a big proponent of student-athletes being compensated but don’t like the path this has evolved into,” says Harvard’s coach of 17 seasons. “It’s now strictly pay-for-play and there’s been an incredible disruption of the system. This era has gone from being transformational to strictly transactional . . . as for fans, I don’t know how you get connected to individual players like before. There is no stability, no continuity.”
“Guys will be transferring at halftime pretty soon,” adds Papile.
“These donors are adult men who dress up in costumes, like for Auburn or Texas Tech or Oklahoma,” says Papile. “Adult children. Basketball wastrels. You’re gonna give a million dollars to be the 13th team in the SEC to get in the tournament? Imagine that being your life’s purpose?”
New York Post columnist Phil Mushnick last weekend wrote, “Big-time/big-ticket college sports are now predicated on a form of legalized adult mental illness, including responsible adults who provide NIL money to athletes who might stay a year to satisfy the donor’s shallow lust to see ‘their school’ win games by their purchased-at-auction human chattel.”
“That sums it up in very few words,” says Lee Raker, who played in a Final Four with Ralph Sampson at Virginia in the early 1980s and was drafted by the Clippers. “I don’t understand how people can pour money into this. It’s not student-athletes. It’s become just about where you can get the most money and there’s no restrictions. How is this system good for anybody other than the athletes monetizing themselves before they get to the NBA?
“You can’t develop kids and make them play better if you’ve got them for just one year. Everybody loses that community, and connection to the school. It used to be you’d follow your team and the big reward was watching a group graduate after playing four years together maybe making the Final Four. Not now. These are not student-athletes. They are paid athletes who happen to be in a college.”
You need collective bargaining like the pros. Contracts,stipulations and the rest.The current status is ridiculous. People root for pro teams that have contracts and people playing for money.It would, however ,be great if some semblance of college sports remained. Rooting for an NBA team was fun years ago when there were double headers at the odl garden, now not so much. Maybe if they get paid they have to certain academic status by contract.