All possible scenarios given where this is headed. Next up players will sue pro sports and challenge the draft structure. Why shouldn’t a player be able to play for whatever team he wants and get paid as much as the highest offer? If a top HS player can pick his college and get paid top dollar, a top college player should be able to pick his pro team and get paid the max offer!
Eligibility Rules?
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Pro sports leagues have anti trust exemptions which the NCAA does not have currently. So how they operate is allowable because of the exemption.
It's already kind of happening. Wasn't the Oregon Quarterback something crazy like a 7th year senior?
A student that can get equivalent NIL deals from two schools. The one that offers that one year free, the other who charges the student $30K+ for the year, provides a greater incentive. It's a competition and the $30K+ will matter.
Not sure why you bring up a requirement to attend school or any labels applied to players (e.g. student-athlete). The school part is an entirely separate issue. The label is completely irrelevant.
The key to keeping the money flowing is the association with the school - that the team is firmly associated with a school, which keeps things exciting. Drop that association and it's no longer college sports, it's minor leagues and there's nowhere near enough money there for any of the stakeholders to go that direction.
Ultimately, the schools will continue to offer scholarships or at least free room and board because again, not all players are going to get paid a ton and most don't make it to the NFL. Player educations matter to many families. There aren't enough one and done type players to sustain the system without the education element.
Far more complicated than that especially once some lawyer starts pushing civil rights BS or whatever creative legal argument grabs headlines. Why should a top college QB be forced to live and play in Cleveland or get cursed by the Jets or Giants? Let the players decide where they want to play and market dictate how much they earn. This is essentially what’s happening in the NCAA so F the NFL make it their problem too.
They don’t have to sign. They can reenter the draft the following year. And then become a FA if they don’t sign again.
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If they don't sign, they can re-enter the Draft next season, and if they still don't sign with the team that picks them, they can enter free agency and potentially land a contract elsewhere.
Not sure where civil rights could come into play given players come in all races and religions and so forth. Also not sure civil rights is BS, although I'm assuming that's not really what you meant anyway.
This is a laughable take, the pro leagues have smart attorneys that can actually defend their positions.
If the players don’t like the current setup they can go start their own league. No one is forcing them to play in the NFL, NBA, etc.
That usually involves being injured for a few years to still have eligibility like that. That’s not how most want to finish their careers.
Except that Gabriel was a starter in 5 full seasons with 3 different colleges seeing action in a 6th season and redshirting a 7th. I think he was hurt 1 of the years then the whole extra year bc of covid thing. Even still, 5 years as a starter playing in at least 10 games each of those years on 3 different squads (UCF, Oklahoma, Oregon). The kid kept on jumping to the next highest offer and finding ways to remain eligible. No idea how he did it.
Never gonna happen. Pipe dream for smaller schools. It's like the Tampa Bay Rays and Baltimore Orioles whining that the Yankees and Red Sox out spend them every year... No one cares.
And with as many conferences and the disparity in fundraising between schools as exists if you think anyone including congress would put a cap on that and force those funds raised by a school to be spread out evenly among other schools in an effort for parity... You sir, are smoking the FINEST of crack!
If JUCO no longer counts towards eligibility that tells you anything is possible now. I was being facetious with the civil rights stuff but wouldn’t put it past some lawyer.
Players didn’t like the previous NCAA set up and now you have NIL and players getting paid millions. Would the response back then have been “no one is forcing them to play in college…”?
Why are you still so focused on the past? I keep telling you you're 20 years in the past and you just keep confirming this
True, some disreputable lawyers will conjure up all kinds of screwy nonsense if it'll make 'em some money.
I didn't know JUCO didn't count towards eligibility. That doesn't make any sense to me. What's the rationale for it?
This was big news right around Xmas:
NCAA agrees to waiver for JUCO players after Diego Pavia lawsuit injunction
There is also movement from college leaders to adjust the eligibility rule in a way that grants athletes five playing seasons in a five-year time span.
sports.yahoo.com
I’m probably 10 years at most older than you. And age has nothing to do with the fact that I was not aware that there are kids living on college campuses that are 100% virtual. I knew some classes were offered online but zero in person classes while living in a college dorm is nothing I would ever let my kids do when the time comes.
Thanks for that.This was big news right around Xmas:
NCAA agrees to waiver for JUCO players after Diego Pavia lawsuit injunction
There is also movement from college leaders to adjust the eligibility rule in a way that grants athletes five playing seasons in a five-year time span.
I guess the stakeholders have a vested interest in doing it. The players, teams, and schools all benefit.
But it seems somewhat of an arbitrary thing and also seems like it might one day be leveraged to eliminate all eligibility restrictions at some point.
Buddy if you are 10 years at most older than me (I'm 35 let the record show) and were unaware that many students who live on campus take majority online classes you live in such a bubble that it might not be safe for you to walk outside. Like even my "In person" classes were barely "In person" by senior year. It was mainly online lectures that one day a week going in to do a lab where the professor more times than not wasn't even present and had their TA's running everything.
You won't have to worry about the kids part dude, you arent kidding anyone
Incorrect, he's been in college 6 years.
2019 - UCF - Played
2020 - UCF - COVID, no eligibility used
2021 - UCF - 3 games, redshirt
2022 - Okla - Played
2023 - Okla - Played
2024 - Ore - Played
These things are easy to look up yet you make up stuff...lol.
You're arguments are so weak, players have a right to earn money on their own name, image and likeness. But keep going, this is amusing.
What do you think a school/organization like Rutgers should do then ? Maybe just leave the BiG and play at an amateur level ?
I won’t have to worry about the kids part? Buddy, if I told you who my kids were you would feel like a moron. And, yes, I do sort of live in a bubble since most of my life outside of work is spent traveling the country for my kids sports. And I’m 12 years older than you.
Sure let the players earn money it just won’t be in New Brunswick. What’s so amusing is how you idiots come on this board talking NIL and paying players yet the numbers don’t lie - RU fans simply don’t give a F about football the way fans in Tuscaloosa do and they never will.
You're just rambling now, shifting constantly because you can't make a point.
We know about the latter, it's been covered ad nauseum here. Many would rather cry about why the program doesn't do better than support it like many fans around the country.
The only point I’ve made is the entire system is completely F’d and it will only get worse. You can basically throw all rules out the window because it won’t be long before everything gets challenged. You think the 19 year old HS limit in NJ won’t get challenged? You don’t think kids will start reclassing Junior year if they don’t like their D1 offers? It’s already happening as kids jump from public to private schools in the middle of HS. The JUCO situation will make this age mess even worse. And it’s already bad - my kid played against an 18 year old sophomore from Massachusetts recently. No matter how much I ramble I still can’t account for all the changes that are coming to HS/college sports.
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Keep at it.
The obvious big NIL teams need a league to play in and we’re in it.
Plus the money the school gets
Probably. the player education is mostly tutoring with all the travel, training and practices. I’m sure they do what’s required and we, like other schools, must have majors that are designed to be intentionally manageable. I’ve always been of the opinion that schools should be able to offer a Sports Management & Strategy - NCAA player track major. Teams could have built in lecture hours and activities for “team building” to justify participation in the team counting as internship credit. Then the rest of the classes in the major should be in things that prepare them for a career in sports at highest level - playing, coaching, commentating, training. Nutrition, physical and mental training, leadership, communication, etc. That’s just my opinion and my guess on the direction this will eventually move.
Regardless - I stick with my original point. The universities and the league that oversees them, need the athletes to technically be students with a direct connection to the school. Or at least, it’s important to them to do everything they can to try to maintain this requirement. Not having that would be a big blow to their autonomy and coexistence with established professional sports (NFL, NBA, etc.)
Why keep at it ? Just for money, and doesn’t rutgers squander the money anyway ?
No one is forcing the university to play professional sports and it seems many fans here don’t even like it anyways
Sure I would..🤣
Yep, you either live in a complete bubble if you are traveling around watching your kids sports who are in college as you imply and were unaware that many college athletes take majority of not all online classes particularly during their in season semester…. That or your lying, it’s one of the two
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One time back when I taught Expos at Rutgers (I no longer work there). I saw Ron Jr. come in to Lucy Stone Hall B wing for a meeting with his professor. I believe it was his freshman year. I also had Billy Janzer and Jalen Jordan in my Expos class that year. They were both above average students in class discussion and did well in the class, especially Janzer. When I was a graduate student at BU I worked in the tutoring center for athletes where the D1 hockey players would have to come in and do two hours of homework. My impression from all of this is that, generally, D1 athletes in the pre-NIL era were doing their work and taking it as seriously as necessary. Not sure if it's still the same these days and I mostly have nothing but contempt for online classes.
The NFL is a government protected monopoly, for all intents and purposes. That isn't happening.
Not sure why you have contempt broadly for online classes. They make a lot of sense for working professionals - especially at the graduate level. I do agree with you that certain types of courses are difficult to legitimize remotely in the AI era. I’m in agreement with you that the tests and assignments for them should at least be completed in person. That’s different though from saying lectures should never be presented in virtual format. You eliminate a lot of potential prospects based on life commitments by not having online options.
That's all true. But think of a class like Expos in this day and age. It's really hard to enforce any kind of academic integrity without some in person component.
There isn't a constitutional issue because the Constitution restrains only what the government can do. But: Eligibility rules are what anti-trust lawyers call restraints on trade because, for instance, a kid can't be eligible for compensation past four years of eligibility. Restraints are upheld under antitrust law only if "reasonable.' So far the NCAA has lost on every one of its restrictions, including the rules counting junior college play against eligibility. Are any restrictions allowed under the anti-trust laws? No one knows for sure. This is one more reason why it might be good for college athletes to be allowed to unionize and negotiate collective bargaining agreements with schools and conferences. That's because collective bargaining agreements are exempt from anti-trust law, and so it would be possible to impose eligibility limits that would not be upset by courts.
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