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cicero grimes

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I have been coming to games for 40 years. Today was the first time in those 40 years that I have lost optimism for the future of this program. There are no moral victories. The team did not show improvement today. Winning is improvement. We lost. The sad part is rock bottom still lies ahead when in November our stadium will be occupied and subjected to the chants of fans of a cult.

Ash and his def coordinator must go. Ash at seasons end, JN as early as Monday. The schemes are a joke. Pressure non existent, receivers open all over the field, over 500 yards of offense surrendered week after week. Enough. Fire him, he is in over his head and has been for three years.

Ash also must go. This hayseed, this huckster, this dolt probably spends the better part of each game wondering why they never have to cut the grass at HP Stadium. This Midwestern Madoff is laughing his ass off on how he swindled us supposedly smart city folk out of ten million dollars. Its time to ship this flyover country fool back to Iowa to eat fried pork cutlets and watch corn grow.

Ship him out we must before he does any more damage to this program. If watching the program under Flood was like death by a thousand cuts, Ash is the coup de grace. A supposed defensive back guru whose DB's cannot cover. A tackling expert whose players cannot tackle. A game manager who cannot even manage time outs and a disciplinarian whose players are not even disciplined enough to stay onside on a 4th and one with the game on the line. Enough.

The money is not the issue. Fire him for cause. Use the credit card scandal as a pretext for cause. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF IT IS JUSTIFIABLE. MAKE HIM SUE US FOR THE MONEY. In three or four years as the case winds itself through the Middlesex County Courts, he will likely settle for less than he is owed. When you want out of a contract, breaching with the object of settling later for less is a viable strategy. It allows us to fire this fool without regard to paying him anything now and using his dollars to pay the next guy. When the time comes to resolve the case in three or for years we can use money from our full B1G share to pay him off. It is time to be ruthless.

Which brings me to Hobbs. I am not sure he is the person to execute such a strategy. Hobbs is a professor, a dean, an academic. He ran the athletics at a small Catholic University that did not even have a football program. He claims he was "blown away" by coach hayseed during his interview. What Hobbs in actuality was hoodwinked. He was bamboozled. He was swindled, conned and cucked. How would he know what qualities to look for in a football coach? After all, he never hired one. Sadly, we cannot afford to let him make this mistake again. He needs to go as well.

The ideal candidate is someone has has been an AD or Assistant AD at a big time P5 school. Someone who understands what it takes to compete and win at the highest level. Someone who can persuade the president that football drives the bus and persuade more large donors to get involved. Someone ruthless. Tom Jurich was an SOB but he out maneuvered UCONN to get his school into the ACC and made deals with sponsors that brought millions of dollars to UL. An SOB to be sure, but someone whose teams won in football and basketball.

We are not recruiting for the boy scouts. We need someone with a win at all costs mentality. I am sick of this attitude that we can lose but at least we run a clean program. Flood shattered that myth, as did Ash this year with the credit card scandal, and maybe Greg's kids were not all angels either.

The truth is football at this level is a dirty business. We can remain a doormat for years to come and pat ourselves on the back about how clean we are. I sat there in that empty stadium today and was sick to my stomach at the realization that Flood (who I wanted fired) is a much better coach on his worst day than Ash is on his best. Let that sink in. As bad as Flood was, and he was bad, he never went 1-11 or 2-10, which it appears Ash is about to do for the 2nd time in three years. Ash actually makes Flood look like a recruiting genius. Enough.

Enough. It is time to get serious about football. Hire an AD that understands big time football. Pay a coach that knows how to win. End this failure. Enough.
 
This guy could help. He has a proven track record in these matters.

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I feel your pain - much the same sentiment today. Hobbs and Ash have simply destroyed this program. I would just add one point - perhaps the biggest warning sign was that Hobbs actually made the hiring decision based on an interview. That is simply not how it is done in Big time football.
 
I stopped reading after you suggested we fire an athletic director who fundraised 100 million in less than 3 years for our athletic teams when we haven't done that in probably 15.
Good keep you head in the sand. That genius hired Ash. He can raise a billion dollars and it will not help us on the field. LET ME SEE HIM RAISE ANOTHER NINE MILLION THIS YEAR TO GET RID OF THIS HICK AND HE CAN STAY.
 
I stopped reading after you suggested we fire an athletic director who fundraised 100 million in less than 3 years for our athletic teams when we haven't done that in probably 15.

I hear you , but hiring the right people and winning on the field is more important than even the all-important FUNDRAISING. Our AD and coach are just professional sales people
 
firing Ash for cause would basically be the nail in the coffin. What coach in their right mind would want to come here if we pulled such a low-class move to a coach that otherwise is a good dude?

Just fire him because he sucks and eat the money, and stop using money as an excuse. Stop being the F'n Mets of college sports. We're in the B1G leagues, time to act like it.
 
Hobbs fundraised 100m so he can fundraise to buy out Ash. And btw, while Hobbs is our AD, he doesn't really run football. The donors do. It's really up to them.
 
So you want to deny Ash his money based on the cc scandal? That does not make a coaching candidate want to come here.
No, you will always find someone qualified to take the job if you offer enough money. Baylor landed a coach after Briles.
 
Good keep you head in the sand. That genius hired Ash. He can raise a billion dollars and it will not help us on the field. LET ME SEE HIM RAISE ANOTHER NINE MILLION THIS YEAR TO GET RID OF THIS HICK AND HE CAN STAY.
[roll] that was a funny come back .... i like that ... seriously... how much money are we losing on ticket sale losses and concessions, and marketing with losing games... he has to go ... BRING BACK SCHIANO
 
I have been coming to games for 40 years. Today was the first time in those 40 years that I have lost optimism for the future of this program. There are no moral victories. The team did not show improvement today. Winning is improvement. We lost. The sad part is rock bottom still lies ahead when in November our stadium will be occupied and subjected to the chants of fans of a cult.

Ash and his def coordinator must go. Ash at seasons end, JN as early as Monday. The schemes are a joke. Pressure non existent, receivers open all over the field, over 500 yards of offense surrendered week after week. Enough. Fire him, he is in over his head and has been for three years.

Ash also must go. This hayseed, this huckster, this dolt probably spends the better part of each game wondering why they never have to cut the grass at HP Stadium. This Midwestern Madoff is laughing his ass off on how he swindled us supposedly smart city folk out of ten million dollars. Its time to ship this flyover country fool back to Iowa to eat fried pork cutlets and watch corn grow.

Ship him out we must before he does any more damage to this program. If watching the program under Flood was like death by a thousand cuts, Ash is the coup de grace. A supposed defensive back guru whose DB's cannot cover. A tackling expert whose players cannot tackle. A game manager who cannot even manage time outs and a disciplinarian whose players are not even disciplined enough to stay onside on a 4th and one with the game on the line. Enough.

The money is not the issue. Fire him for cause. Use the credit card scandal as a pretext for cause. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF IT IS JUSTIFIABLE. MAKE HIM SUE US FOR THE MONEY. In three or four years as the case winds itself through the Middlesex County Courts, he will likely settle for less than he is owed. When you want out of a contract, breaching with the object of settling later for less is a viable strategy. It allows us to fire this fool without regard to paying him anything now and using his dollars to pay the next guy. When the time comes to resolve the case in three or for years we can use money from our full B1G share to pay him off. It is time to be ruthless.

Which brings me to Hobbs. I am not sure he is the person to execute such a strategy. Hobbs is a professor, a dean, an academic. He ran the athletics at a small Catholic University that did not even have a football program. He claims he was "blown away" by coach hayseed during his interview. What Hobbs in actuality was hoodwinked. He was bamboozled. He was swindled, conned and cucked. How would he know what qualities to look for in a football coach? After all, he never hired one. Sadly, we cannot afford to let him make this mistake again. He needs to go as well.

The ideal candidate is someone has has been an AD or Assistant AD at a big time P5 school. Someone who understands what it takes to compete and win at the highest level. Someone who can persuade the president that football drives the bus and persuade more large donors to get involved. Someone ruthless. Tom Jurich was an SOB but he out maneuvered UCONN to get his school into the ACC and made deals with sponsors that brought millions of dollars to UL. An SOB to be sure, but someone whose teams won in football and basketball.

We are not recruiting for the boy scouts. We need someone with a win at all costs mentality. I am sick of this attitude that we can lose but at least we run a clean program. Flood shattered that myth, as did Ash this year with the credit card scandal, and maybe Greg's kids were not all angels either.

The truth is football at this level is a dirty business. We can remain a doormat for years to come and pat ourselves on the back about how clean we are. I sat there in that empty stadium today and was sick to my stomach at the realization that Flood (who I wanted fired) is a much better coach on his worst day than Ash is on his best. Let that sink in. As bad as Flood was, and he was bad, he never went 1-11 or 2-10, which it appears Ash is about to do for the 2nd time in three years. Ash actually makes Flood look like a recruiting genius. Enough.

Enough. It is time to get serious about football. Hire an AD that understands big time football. Pay a coach that knows how to win. End this failure. Enough.
Post of the year. Enough IS enough.
 
I like everything about the post except the personal shots at Ash (i.e. referring to him as "hayseed") and saying Hobbs needs to go. That said, I am very skeptical about the next football coach search whenever it may take place if Hobbs is running it.
 
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I’ll start by saying I want ash gone. However, if losing to a 3-1 Indiana team is our darkest hour in your eyes I’d like to welcome you to NJ and your first Rutgers game.
Obviously you watched a different game then I did. A winnable game squandered by poor game management, lack of a cohesive defensive scheme and an offsides penalty on a crtical fourth down. The same mistakes week in and week out.

Let me know when you wish to remove your rose colored glasses and I will welcome you to the world of reality. In the meantime enjoy the fantasy.
 
I have been coming to games for 40 years. Today was the first time in those 40 years that I have lost optimism for the future of this program. There are no moral victories. The team did not show improvement today. Winning is improvement. We lost. The sad part is rock bottom still lies ahead when in November our stadium will be occupied and subjected to the chants of fans of a cult.

Ash and his def coordinator must go. Ash at seasons end, JN as early as Monday. The schemes are a joke. Pressure non existent, receivers open all over the field, over 500 yards of offense surrendered week after week. Enough. Fire him, he is in over his head and has been for three years.

Ash also must go. This hayseed, this huckster, this dolt probably spends the better part of each game wondering why they never have to cut the grass at HP Stadium. This Midwestern Madoff is laughing his ass off on how he swindled us supposedly smart city folk out of ten million dollars. Its time to ship this flyover country fool back to Iowa to eat fried pork cutlets and watch corn grow.

Ship him out we must before he does any more damage to this program. If watching the program under Flood was like death by a thousand cuts, Ash is the coup de grace. A supposed defensive back guru whose DB's cannot cover. A tackling expert whose players cannot tackle. A game manager who cannot even manage time outs and a disciplinarian whose players are not even disciplined enough to stay onside on a 4th and one with the game on the line. Enough.

The money is not the issue. Fire him for cause. Use the credit card scandal as a pretext for cause. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF IT IS JUSTIFIABLE. MAKE HIM SUE US FOR THE MONEY. In three or four years as the case winds itself through the Middlesex County Courts, he will likely settle for less than he is owed. When you want out of a contract, breaching with the object of settling later for less is a viable strategy. It allows us to fire this fool without regard to paying him anything now and using his dollars to pay the next guy. When the time comes to resolve the case in three or for years we can use money from our full B1G share to pay him off. It is time to be ruthless.

Which brings me to Hobbs. I am not sure he is the person to execute such a strategy. Hobbs is a professor, a dean, an academic. He ran the athletics at a small Catholic University that did not even have a football program. He claims he was "blown away" by coach hayseed during his interview. What Hobbs in actuality was hoodwinked. He was bamboozled. He was swindled, conned and cucked. How would he know what qualities to look for in a football coach? After all, he never hired one. Sadly, we cannot afford to let him make this mistake again. He needs to go as well.

The ideal candidate is someone has has been an AD or Assistant AD at a big time P5 school. Someone who understands what it takes to compete and win at the highest level. Someone who can persuade the president that football drives the bus and persuade more large donors to get involved. Someone ruthless. Tom Jurich was an SOB but he out maneuvered UCONN to get his school into the ACC and made deals with sponsors that brought millions of dollars to UL. An SOB to be sure, but someone whose teams won in football and basketball.

We are not recruiting for the boy scouts. We need someone with a win at all costs mentality. I am sick of this attitude that we can lose but at least we run a clean program. Flood shattered that myth, as did Ash this year with the credit card scandal, and maybe Greg's kids were not all angels either.

The truth is football at this level is a dirty business. We can remain a doormat for years to come and pat ourselves on the back about how clean we are. I sat there in that empty stadium today and was sick to my stomach at the realization that Flood (who I wanted fired) is a much better coach on his worst day than Ash is on his best. Let that sink in. As bad as Flood was, and he was bad, he never went 1-11 or 2-10, which it appears Ash is about to do for the 2nd time in three years. Ash actually makes Flood look like a recruiting genius. Enough.

Enough. It is time to get serious about football. Hire an AD that understands big time football. Pay a coach that knows how to win. End this failure. Enough.
Amen!
 
I stopped reading after you suggested we fire an athletic director who fundraised 100 million in less than 3 years for our athletic teams when we haven't done that in probably 15.
Remember one thing about the $100m. Many people did a 5 year pledge. If we keep losing, that $100m will likely look a lot lower in 5 years as many may not feel like dumping good money at bad coaching.
 
The money is not the issue. Fire him for cause. Use the credit card scandal as a pretext for cause. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF IT IS JUSTIFIABLE. MAKE HIM SUE US FOR THE MONEY. In three or four years as the case winds itself through the Middlesex County Courts, he will likely settle for less than he is owed. When you want out of a contract, breaching with the object of settling later for less is a viable strategy. It allows us to fire this fool without regard to paying him anything now and using his dollars to pay the next guy. When the time comes to resolve the case in three or for years we can use money from our full B1G share to pay him off. It is time to be ruthless.
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I LOVE THIS. You can work for me anytime, Cicero.
 
Obviously you watched a different game then I did. A winnable game squandered by poor game management, lack of a cohesive defensive scheme and an offsides penalty on a crtical fourth down. The same mistakes week in and week out.

Let me know when you wish to remove your rose colored glasses and I will welcome you to the world of reality. In the meantime enjoy the fantasy.
If it was the same ole same ole, the score would have been 41-0 when we jumped offsides, doofus. By the very fact is was a winnable game that was squandered, it was not the same game we've seen this year. And let's not forget, yeah, we jumped offsides, but the QB completed a 25 yard pass on the free play. It wasn't like we jumped and strip-sacked him inside he 10.
 
I like everything about the post except the personal shots at Ash (i.e. referring to him as "hayseed") and saying Hobbs needs to go. That said, I am very skeptical about the next football coach search whenever it may take place if Hobbs is running it.
Boogie that is what this forum is turning into. Seems like every poster who has a negative opinion on the players, the coaches, the AD etc has to resort to name calling and personal attacks. I get you want the coach gone.instead of attacking in a derogatory manner Saying “ send the hayseed....” etc you can get the same message across by stating you don’t feel he is qualified to be a head coach. Curious as to how many posters who take shots like this would walk up to a coach, player the AD and speak to them using same language they use on here. I don’t think any would.
 
If it was the same ole same ole, the score would have been 41-0 when we jumped offsides, doofus. By the very fact is was a winnable game that was squandered, it was not the same game we've seen this year. And let's not forget, yeah, we jumped offsides, but the QB completed a 25 yard pass on the free play. It wasn't like we jumped and strip-sacked him inside he 10.
Did we not loose, doofus. That is the same old same old, doofus. Winning would be a change. But continue to enjoy your moral victories and close losses as the double digit loss train accelerates.
 
Boogie that is what this forum is turning into. Seems like every poster who has a negative opinion on the players, the coaches, the AD etc has to resort to name calling and personal attacks. I get you want the coach gone.instead of attacking in a derogatory manner Saying “ send the hayseed....” etc you can get the same message across by stating you don’t feel he is qualified to be a head coach. Curious as to how many posters who take shots like this would walk up to a coach, player the AD and speak to them using same language they use on here. I don’t think any would.
I have been a practicing attorney for 25 years. I have said worse things then that in open court to better people when the situation called for it. I will never back down from my comments either live or on line.
 
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Did we not loose, doofus. That is the same old same old, doofus. Winning would be a change. But continue to enjoy your moral victories and close losses as the double digit loss train accelerates.
You're a clown, and I don't think you understand football very much. Par for the course on this board, and you'd be legendary on the NJ.com slopfest. "Winning would be a change". So let's just drop down to the Patriot League so we can win a few games and impress the fans who think turning around Rutgers Football is turning on a lightswitch and spending millions of money we don't actually have to spend.
 
You're a clown, and I don't think you understand football very much. Par for the course on this board, and you'd be legendary on the NJ.com slopfest. "Winning would be a change". So let's just drop down to the Patriot League so we can win a few games and impress the fans who think turning around Rutgers Football is turning on a lightswitch and spending millions of money we don't actually have to spend.
Ok I am a clown but you don't even have the intellect to understand what I am talking about. Regarding football, based upon your history of posts you would do better to keep your mouth shut as every time you comment on the games you confirm you are an idiot.
 
What the he’ll has this board turned into. Name calling, I’m better than you, I have a better job than you. It’s like a bunch a adults acting like kids.
 
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What the he’ll has this board turned into. Name calling, I’m better than you, I have a better job than you. It’s like a bunch a adults acting like kids.

Yes we need to clean it up around here. Difficult times do this to people but let’s keep our heads fellas. I knew the moral victory yesterday would bring this about . We have a very low expectation for our program right now ... some are sick of aiming that low, others are happy to hit the low mark..
we’re in a bad place right now and it’s going to get worse . Seatbelt time
 
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I like everything about the post except the personal shots at Ash (i.e. referring to him as "hayseed") and saying Hobbs needs to go. That said, I am very skeptical about the next football coach search whenever it may take place if Hobbs is running it.
Not yet sold on Hobbs’ ability to hire a football coach, but hopeful. His last search was short as he was just hired himself, and even any behind the scenes and back channel conversation was shorter than it should have been. He’s a smart guy, and with a few years in the job, he can probably make a better go at it (even if, as many smart guys do, get help from the right people).

With that said, based on history I have more faith in GS succeeding here than the current admin making the right hire. But if it’s not GS, I’m still hopeful the next coach is a good one.
 
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I have been coming to games for 40 years. Today was the first time in those 40 years that I have lost optimism for the future of this program. There are no moral victories. The team did not show improvement today. Winning is improvement. We lost. The sad part is rock bottom still lies ahead when in November our stadium will be occupied and subjected to the chants of fans of a cult.

Ash and his def coordinator must go. Ash at seasons end, JN as early as Monday. The schemes are a joke. Pressure non existent, receivers open all over the field, over 500 yards of offense surrendered week after week. Enough. Fire him, he is in over his head and has been for three years.

Ash also must go. This hayseed, this huckster, this dolt probably spends the better part of each game wondering why they never have to cut the grass at HP Stadium. This Midwestern Madoff is laughing his ass off on how he swindled us supposedly smart city folk out of ten million dollars. Its time to ship this flyover country fool back to Iowa to eat fried pork cutlets and watch corn grow.

Ship him out we must before he does any more damage to this program. If watching the program under Flood was like death by a thousand cuts, Ash is the coup de grace. A supposed defensive back guru whose DB's cannot cover. A tackling expert whose players cannot tackle. A game manager who cannot even manage time outs and a disciplinarian whose players are not even disciplined enough to stay onside on a 4th and one with the game on the line. Enough.

The money is not the issue. Fire him for cause. Use the credit card scandal as a pretext for cause. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF IT IS JUSTIFIABLE. MAKE HIM SUE US FOR THE MONEY. In three or four years as the case winds itself through the Middlesex County Courts, he will likely settle for less than he is owed. When you want out of a contract, breaching with the object of settling later for less is a viable strategy. It allows us to fire this fool without regard to paying him anything now and using his dollars to pay the next guy. When the time comes to resolve the case in three or for years we can use money from our full B1G share to pay him off. It is time to be ruthless.

Which brings me to Hobbs. I am not sure he is the person to execute such a strategy. Hobbs is a professor, a dean, an academic. He ran the athletics at a small Catholic University that did not even have a football program. He claims he was "blown away" by coach hayseed during his interview. What Hobbs in actuality was hoodwinked. He was bamboozled. He was swindled, conned and cucked. How would he know what qualities to look for in a football coach? After all, he never hired one. Sadly, we cannot afford to let him make this mistake again. He needs to go as well.

The ideal candidate is someone has has been an AD or Assistant AD at a big time P5 school. Someone who understands what it takes to compete and win at the highest level. Someone who can persuade the president that football drives the bus and persuade more large donors to get involved. Someone ruthless. Tom Jurich was an SOB but he out maneuvered UCONN to get his school into the ACC and made deals with sponsors that brought millions of dollars to UL. An SOB to be sure, but someone whose teams won in football and basketball.

We are not recruiting for the boy scouts. We need someone with a win at all costs mentality. I am sick of this attitude that we can lose but at least we run a clean program. Flood shattered that myth, as did Ash this year with the credit card scandal, and maybe Greg's kids were not all angels either.

The truth is football at this level is a dirty business. We can remain a doormat for years to come and pat ourselves on the back about how clean we are. I sat there in that empty stadium today and was sick to my stomach at the realization that Flood (who I wanted fired) is a much better coach on his worst day than Ash is on his best. Let that sink in. As bad as Flood was, and he was bad, he never went 1-11 or 2-10, which it appears Ash is about to do for the 2nd time in three years. Ash actually makes Flood look like a recruiting genius. Enough.

Enough. It is time to get serious about football. Hire an AD that understands big time football. Pay a coach that knows how to win. End this failure. Enough.
I positively endorse your last paragraph.
 
When we hired a guy from the Urban Meyer coaching tree a few years ago I know I had greater expectations than to be encouraged by moral victories in Year 3 against the likes of Indiana. Finally, FIVE games into the season, a WR makes a TD??? Whooppee! (It didn't even happen against TEXAS STATE.) People are happy because something that is routine in today's game for everyone else finally happened in game 5? That's pretty close to rock bottom.
 
I have been a practicing attorney for 25 years. I have said worse things then that in open court to better people when the situation called for it. I will never back down from my comments either live or on line.
Well then the only comment I can offer now is I would NEVER HIRE YOU to be my attorney as you would come across as a know it all self righteous pompass ass if you talked with that kind of attitude in court. Oh and I will never back down from my comments regarding you.
 
Yes we need to clean it up around here. Difficult times do this to people but let’s keep our heads fellas. I knew the moral victory yesterday would bring this about . We have a very low expectation for our program right now ... some are sick of aiming that low, others are happy to hit the low mark..
we’re in a bad place right now and it’s going to get worse . Seatbelt time

Reminds me of an old saying in business. “When the ship is about to sink there will always be a few rats looking for the last few morsels of food onboard.”

These are trying times for even the staunchest RU supporters. The ghost town in the Audi Club yesterday proves it. That litmus test tells me that RU Boosters may not be supporting CA as HC much longer.
 
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