ESPN article says re Flood situation that...

[HeyHuey]

How in the hell do you get a C- in Theater Appreciation? What extra credit could he do?....Show up for class?.....Remain awake through the class?.......Act like he was engaged on some level? Give me a night of video games and a fake ID as a bad decision over Barnwell's treatment of this career impacting class anytime.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

For the record, I don't know if it was Theater Appreciation...I'm using it as a hypothetical. We know it was in Mason Gross. I doubt it was advanced Trombone...

 

[JPhoboken]

Because some people feel they have to follow rules to the letter of the law for the betterment of society?

I get rules, but please, you think society is better because this person felt the need to report this?

As reported, and we don't all the facts yet, Flood asked if there was a way to improve a grade, he did not ask about academic standing or to change a grade. If he did this he should be in trouble.

Again, we don't know all the facts, but it appears FLood asked a questions that may not have been reportable.

Sorry, in the big scheme of things, sometimes being anal about following the letter of the law does not better society. We all can cite thousands of examples of this.

 

[JPhoboken]

We know so little and nearly everything here is speculation.
Here are some facts:
Rutgers' rule is that contact with faculty is ok, but coaches can't initiate contact with faculty about a student's academic standing. That should be done via an intermediary such as Athletics' Academic Support staff.
If a faculty member is contacted by a coach regarding a student's academic standing, the faculty member is supposed to report it to the compliance office.

Here is what I gather from purely 3rd hand accounts:
Flood did not initiate the contact in this case. He was responding to an email from the professor, but Flood brought up the topic of Barnwell's grade. I'm guessing that the faculty member then reported the contact to the compliance office (which is the rule). This triggers the investigation. I'm further guessing that the media got the story from someone in compliance or the AD's office. There's still a lot of media-leaking nonsense going on in that department.

On the whole this is not a big deal. But Flood did break the rule by bringing up the topic of Barnwell's grade. He will be reprimanded. I would be surprised if he were suspended, but this is Rutgers, so who knows?

Are you sure he broke a rule? If he asked if there was a way improve a grade, are you definitely sure this is a violation? He allegedly did not ask what his standing was or to change a grade.

Maybe its semantics, but doesn't sound like he broke a violation. In his statement, he made it sound like he has done this before, and to my knowledge, it has not bee reported.

Regardless, sounds like Academic support will be sending these emails in the future.

 

[Knight_Light]

I get rules, but please, you think society is better because this person felt the need to report this?

As reported, and we don't all the facts yet, Flood asked if there was a way to improve a grade, he did not ask about academic standing or to change a grade. If he did this he should be in trouble.

Again, we don't know all the facts, but it appears FLood asked a questions that may not have been reportable.

Sorry, in the big scheme of things, sometimes being anal about following the letter of the law does not better society. We all can cite thousands of examples of this.

Since Flood admitted in his short press conf yesterday that he has contacted profs/instructors in the past, (investigation will probably find out if he used his Univ email address in those communications or his personal) maybe this wasn't the first time Flood ask for extra credit for a player in this college and/or with this prof.

No one knows exactly everything that has happened...only thing that is known is that the football coaching staff and Nadir knew back in May that he was on the verge of not being eligible and needed more credit hours at a certain GPA level during the summer months to be eligible to play this fall....and Flood admitting that he had contacting profs/instructors in the past in regards to academic standing and/or potential extra credit work for his players.

That's it...as no one has yet to provide exact written policy/procedures that RU Coaches have to follow in regards to contacting/not contacting profs on subject of players grades...so lets just see how this plays out.

Worst case scenario, a policy/procedure was broken (either use of personal email and/or contacting profs directly) and Flood will probably have to take a guideline/policy course/test to ensure he won't do it again.

That's all.

 

[JoeRU0304]

It's amazing how an 'outside' guy like UCF's Knight Light can, in a matter of minutes, comprehend and write on this subject 100000X better and more objectively than the SL staff who have reported on it thus far.


Joe P.

 

[Caliknight]

I took Theater Appreciation at RU. I thought I would walk in and say I appreciate theater and get an A. It was a little harder than I thought.

 

[HeyHuey]

I took Theater Appreciation at RU. I thought I would walk in and say I appreciate theater and get an A. It was a little harder than I thought.

Agreed. I had a Japanese Film class at Livingston one year looking to skate a little on the course load. It took some focus to start getting all of the syntax right....but the instructor wasn't giving C- unless you really blew the class off. I'm still a big Toshiro Mifune though.

 

[Knight Shift]

I get rules, but please, you think society is better because this person felt the need to report this?

As reported, and we don't all the facts yet, Flood asked if there was a way to improve a grade, he did not ask about academic standing or to change a grade. If he did this he should be in trouble.

Again, we don't know all the facts, but it appears FLood asked a questions that may not have been reportable.

Sorry, in the big scheme of things, sometimes being anal about following the letter of the law does not better society. We all can cite thousands of examples of this.

I agree with you. But I also understand that some people are a) anal about following the letter of the law because they live in fear; and/or b) they like to stir the pot and test the waters. I think it has gotten a lot worse in the internet age and electronic records and e-mails be readily available, and forwarded. It has a lot of people walking on eggshells, and that is unfortunate. IF (and I said IF) what Flood said is completely true, they are making a mountain out of a molehill. But this is the world we live in. If there is nothing more to this, and Flood gets fired for sending that e-mail, I think I will be done with supporting Rutgers.

 

[ScarletKid2008]

I took Theater Appreciation at RU. I thought I would walk in and say I appreciate theater and get an A. It was a little harder than I thought.

Agreed. It had a reputation to be a show up for an A type of class - it's not quite that easy. But if there's a class at RU where I'm trying to get my grade up .. This is probably 1 of 3 that is widely known to do that if you just put a little effort into it

 

[RUfinal4]

it could also be a prof who is anti sports. Considering it is Mason Gross the prof may feel that the arts miss out on a lot of funding because of sports. So this prof may have been looking for a way to throw sports under the bus.

 

[JerseyShoreKnight]

None of you are asking the right question.

Now that he's dealing with his first "scandal," does this mean that Flood got stain?

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

 

[RUDutch]

In situations like this it is often said that the cover-up is worse than the indiscretion. I don't think that will happen with Flood.

 

[JPhoboken]

I agree with you. But I also understand that some people are a) anal about following the letter of the law because they live in fear; and/or b) they like to stir the pot and test the waters. I think it has gotten a lot worse in the internet age and electronic records and e-mails be readily available, and forwarded. It has a lot of people walking on eggshells, and that is unfortunate. IF (and I said IF) what Flood said is completely true, they are making a mountain out of a molehill. But this is the world we live in. If there is nothing more to this, and Flood gets fired for sending that e-mail, I think I will be done with supporting Rutgers.

Thanks for the clarification, and hopefully we don't have to worry about Floods job status. If by some crazy chance it did happen, there would be a lot of people joining you pulling their support for RU.

 

[brookdale-soda]

Professors and University Admins won't even stand up to students lately so it is not surprising to me that this professor didnt have the courtesy to confront Flood on the topic.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/

If Flood's emails are released and prove that his actions were inocuous, i say they should out the professors name. at least a fellow student should. RU isnt allowed to prob. due to whistleblower laws.

 

[MADHAT1]

devoted2ru said: ↑
"Flood did NOT, (my emphasis on "not"), ask the professor to change the player's grade, a source told ESPN's Joe Schad, but addressed what the player could do to improve his grade".

So this is what KF is being raked over the coals for?? Amazing that some professors view themselves as being so sacrosanct that they can't even be asked what appears to be a simple, innocuous question.

And yeah, there are probably some sort of procedural rules in place about emailing, but the cause of this particular "controversy" seems piddling, at best, and flat out stupid, at worst.

Of course he didn't ask directly. He would be an idiot if he had. Do you think a strange women on the corner who ask you if you want to party is just asking you to her birthday party? If all he wanted to know is if he could raise his grade why not have the player do it? The reason Flood asked is because he felt he would have more pull with the professor then the player.

It this exact reason why Rutgers and other schools have rules against this. If it was Franklin calling a professor you guys would be all over here saying he was trying to influence the professor. While the intent may have been good it could be viewed as trying to get extra benefits. Therefore to avoid that most schools say that the academic advisors should handle it.

Leave your coach out of this and just say what you want to say about Flood contacting the Professor.
Leave the poor little Penn BS out of this, it has no place in this conversation.
You almost hijacked this thread away from the issue on hand with another Nit related post that I ( regretfully) replied to

So as for you saying why Flood contacted the professor instead of the player, that's your interpretation and not necessary the reason.
Go ahead and imply all you want Flood tried to get grade changed :>"Of course he didn't ask directly. He would be an idiot if he had. Do you think a strange women on the corner who ask you if you want to party is just asking you to her birthday party? If all he wanted to know is if he could raise his grade why not have the player do it? "<
That shows where you stand on this issue and why you post like Flood is in trouble .

My interpretation:
Summer classes had just ended and Flood wanted to find out if his player could earn extra credit before the final eligibility decision was made and thought he'd get that answer quicker than having an academic adviser do it.
It wasn't Coach Flood thinking he'd have more pull, but thinking time was of the essence and going though a third party might take longer than it would take through direct contact.

 

[phs73rc77gsm83]

How in the hell do you get a C- in Theater Appreciation? What extra credit could he do?....Show up for class?.....Remain awake through the class?.......Act like he was engaged on some level? Give me a night of video games and a fake ID as a bad decision over Barnwell's treatment of this career impacting class anytime.

I don't know if this is the theater appreciation class is or isn't the issue. I will say that my daughter, a straight A's student in the honors program at Rutgers, took this as a freshman last year. You had to supply your own transportation to NYC or Princeton for many of the shows/options. My wife ended up taking the train to NYC with my daughter because there weren't students going on the day she could go. My point is, you don't sit there and comment whether you like the performance or not, there are some logistical challenges that might not be easy for a student athlete in terms of timing and so forth.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I agree with you. But I also understand that some people are a) anal about following the letter of the law because they live in fear; and/or b) they like to stir the pot and test the waters. I think it has gotten a lot worse in the internet age and electronic records and e-mails be readily available, and forwarded. It has a lot of people walking on eggshells, and that is unfortunate. IF (and I said IF) what Flood said is completely true, they are making a mountain out of a molehill. But this is the world we live in. If there is nothing more to this, and Flood gets fired for sending that e-mail, I think I will be done with supporting Rutgers.

The prof reporting this is not the problem.

The problem is treating this as if there needs to be some kind of OFFICIAL investigation. Maybe they should hire a special prosecutor. The administration is the problem.

-Flood reaching out for information that might help a player.. or allow him to set a 2-deep and help all his DBs know where they stand.... not a problem.

-The prof reporting contact because the "rules" say coaches should not contact profs... NOT A PROBLEM. (though the rules may be a problem there).

- The PROBLEM.. is over-reaction by the administration. All they needed to do was to say.. we read the email.. here it is.. you can see that no undue influence was exerted. No demand to change a grade, no request to change a grade.. no threats regarding changing grades... no bribes to change grades. The "investigation" is over... no story here.

That's it. Then stand your ground.

 

[Piscataway]

For the record, I don't know if it was Theater Appreciation...I'm using it as a hypothetical. We know it was in Mason Gross. I doubt it was advanced Trombone...

I bet the professor is pretty adept in Advanced Trombone...

 

[ruhudsonfan]

I bet the professor is pretty adept in Advanced Trombone...

Finally, somebody got it...lol

 

[Judge Smails]

If it were franklin, I'd say trying to help kid earn a better grade is not as bad as covering up the rape of one of his recruiting hostesses,.

So "covering up" now means immediately kicking the players off the team.