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Football Guys, What's the Basis For Not Allowing Linemen Downfield On Passing Plays?

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Was it instituted to make sure QBs have protection? I still can't figure out why a lineman has to be within three yards of the line when the ball crosses it, other than they can obliterate the DBs if the lineman gets to the DB and the DB isn't looking, neither of which is likely.
 
Maybe a long time ago, one team had much faster and stronger lineman than the other team and it was seen as unfair to let them run free so they made up that rule to equalize the handicap? I don't know.
 
I wonder how much of an influence Rutgers was with modern rules since Rutgers invented the game.
 
Pass defenders will be covering ineligible receivers.
I think what he's asking is why can't every player on offense be eligible. It seems most likely that this rule is in place so that in the unlikely event Rutgers scores a touchdown on a perfectly-executed fake field goal to take a sizable lead in a game that would send them to a BCS bowl, the officials have something they can use to negate the touchdown, even if none of the ineligible players were actually downfield.
 
It's so the referees know who to watch and who not to watch. Same thing with numbers.
 
If they didn't limited the amount of men Five at the line of scrimmage you would basically be playing sandlot football. Everyone could go out for a pass. Big guys would no longer be useful. You could simply send everyone out if they rushed and simply dump it over their heads. The game would suck. Why would anyone ever attempt a rush or put anyone in the back field. Simply put the QB in shotgun. Have your front five block for two seconds then go out for a pass or not at all and throw the ball. They play this game in parking lots, playgrounds and school yards.
 
Sounds fun. I'd like to see that. Lineman would have to cover lineman.
 
I think what he's asking is why can't every player on offense be eligible. It seems most likely that this rule is in place so that in the unlikely event Rutgers scores a touchdown on a perfectly-executed fake field goal to take a sizable lead in a game that would send them to a BCS bowl, the officials have something they can use to negate the touchdown, even if none of the ineligible players were actually downfield.
LOL! [thumb2] Seriously, it's what RU76 stated: "Pass defenders will be covering ineligible receivers."
 
Pass defenders will be covering ineligible receivers.
The thing about this is that the unblocked D-linemen would make a bee-line for the QB, thus negating the advantage of the confusion in the secondary.
 
They could run down field but still be ineligible to catch the ball. I'm sure the rule was put in place to keep the game easier to officiate. If the only players eligible to receive are allowed down field, the refs don't need to think about it as it happens. Also why linemen wear numbers in the 50s and 60s and receivers wear 80s and single digits.
 
They could run down field but still be ineligible to catch the ball. I'm sure the rule was put in place to keep the game easier to officiate. If the only players eligible to receive are allowed down field, the refs don't need to think about it as it happens. Also why linemen wear numbers in the 50s and 60s and receivers wear 80s and single digits.
It also might have been put in place when players didn't have numbers on their uniforms, since not only would the refs be confused, the DBs would, too. But the counter argument to this is that if the linemen went downfield at the snap of the ball, the QB would be blown up long before the linemen were downfield.
 
Rule was passed in NFL in 1951. The logic is easy enough as having everyone eligible would be pretty chaotic, but I can't find any history discussing why the change was made.
 
Watch what? They are still watching every player.
Watching their specific players. The different referees on the field have responsibilities to watch specific areas of the field and specific positions. Many times I have deal with a referee, or side judge, or back judge, or umpire, who had something happen right in front of him but was watching his specific area and missed it.
 
Right. So someone would in charge of lineman, just like now. Only they would likely be looking for other things.
 
Was it instituted to make sure QBs have protection? I still can't figure out why a lineman has to be within three yards of the line when the ball crosses it, other than they can obliterate the DBs if the lineman gets to the DB and the DB isn't looking, neither of which is likely.
Why don't they make defenders yell, "Blitz!!" before rushing before the end of counting 5 Mississippis?
 
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Was it instituted to make sure QBs have protection? I still can't figure out why a lineman has to be within three yards of the line when the ball crosses it, other than they can obliterate the DBs if the lineman gets to the DB and the DB isn't looking, neither of which is likely.

Because 300 pound linemen absolutely love obliterating 180 pound defensive backs who smack talk about how fat O-Linemen are in their puny little sophomoric minds. We love watching those D backs writhe in pain as they bask in their f-ing glory about how fast they are compared to us O linemen.

Thus, the referees dont want us to kill those little bastards.
 
Because 300 pound linemen absolutely love obliterating 180 pound defensive backs who smack talk about how fat O-Linemen are in their puny little sophomoric minds. We love watching those D backs writhe in pain as they bask in their f-ing glory about how fast they are compared to us O linemen.

Thus, the referees dont want us to kill those little bastards.
Except they do get to obliterate them on running plays when they pull, and the defensive ends would destroy the QB before the O-linemen got ten yards downfield.

BTW, I'm not lobbying one way or the other, as the rule does keep a certain order on the field. I'm just not sure what the justification is now. Skillet posted that the rule was instituted in 1951, so maybe there were things in effect then that the rule was meant to address that aren't as obvious or relevant today.
 
Except they do get to obliterate them on running plays when they pull, and the defensive ends would destroy the QB before the O-linemen got ten yards downfield.

BTW, I'm not lobbying one way or the other, as the rule does keep a certain order on the field. I'm just not sure what the justification is now. Skillet posted that the rule was instituted in 1951, so maybe there were things in effect then that the rule was meant to address that aren't as obvious or relevant today.

Like the fact that face guards did NOT exist in 1951.
 
Like the fact that face guards did NOT exist in 1951.
Tiny little detail, huh?

Also, there were no numbers on the uniforms AND the players of all positions were much closer in size than they are now, so the refs had little way of knowing who was who.
 

Great link that makes some excellent points:

#1 if everyone one the offense was an eligible receiver, you would have to get rid of the intentional grounding rule and you would basically eliminate the ability of the defense to ever get a sack. A QB under duress would just need to throw the ball at a lineman's feet every time, since they would all be eligible receivers.

#2 Pass interference calls would be out of control. Imagine a big OL running full speed downfield and then drawing contact with an LB or DB. PI? Afterall, the OL would be an eligible receiver in this scenario. Talk about a nightmare.
 
Sounds fun. I'd like to see that. Lineman would have to cover lineman.
Maybe Flood would have stood a better chance at having an offense that would be able to move the ball down field by having everyone go down field for passes.

Then again, our offense would still be predictable with run, run, pass, punt
 
What are y'all talking about, linemen being eligible? The eligibility rules remain the same! They are still ineligible to catch a pass, but they aren't penalized running downfield as if they were. Not a hard concept.
 
What are y'all talking about, linemen being eligible? The eligibility rules remain the same! They are still ineligible to catch a pass, but they aren't penalized running downfield as if they were. Not a hard concept.
The issue is that they are penalized for being downfield at all (beyond three yards when the ball passes the LOS) on a pass play. Two sets of rules in effect--illegal lineman downfield, and ineligible receiver was brought into the conversation based on my original question. But the original issue still is somewhat of an enigma, that linemen aren't allowed downfield on passing plays but are allowed on running plays. My point is that if it favors the offense that more players are in the defensive secondary, the very same thing favors the defense by getting immediate pressure on the QB when the O-linemen go downfield.
 
The league should employ 16 steady qbs to really see which team is the best.
 
Pass defenders will be covering ineligible receivers.

This, and only this. If any of you played a down as a DB, the answer would be clear. If would be very challenging to cover if there were ineligible receivers down field.
 
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