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GAME 7 ALABAMA: Optimism, Caveat, and the Needle

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First of all, I would like to wish the Rutgers family, posters, players, coaches a Happy Thanksgiving. Special thoughts go out to all the fans who travelled out to Vegas and wish safe travels back later in the weekend. You have represented RU incredibly well and your support was definitely heard on the broadcasts. Its been quite a ride the past two days with the late nights and bright lights. FINALLY, the Rutgers program is relevant on the national scene. No shitty game against St Bumblebee at 8pm Thanksgiving Eve at the RAC with a Sunday game at noon looming vs Stonebird U as part of some stupid bottom feeder classic that does not matter. Big time programs play big time tourneys and you see it all over the country. Pike has been adverse to this previously and the excuse of kids wanting to be home for the holidays vs a tourney in Vegas or Maui or Puerto Rico has been shattered. This is how you do it. It is clear that players rise to the occasion once those bright lights are shining.

Lots of different thoughts swirling. For starters what a rollcoaster in just 5 days. Just a stupid bad loss at Kennesaw where RU was outscored an unfathomable 40-15 at one point A true low point of the season. Team running on hype alone thinking all they had to do is show up on the court and they would win. I almost knew it was coming based on signs from the RAC games. I wish it did not happen but its likely for this teams development it just had to happen. I think most preseason expectations of Vegas was beat Notre Dame and then probably 2 losses vs Bama and Houston. That would change with the scheduling switch. Meant no Houston and perhaps a winnable 3 game. After the KSU loss, I think the possibility of 0-3 was real and perhaps extending to a 4-5 start. The Notre Dame game was certainly exciting but more importantly it showed Dylan Harper leaping from freshmen phenom to NBA ready player. We saw some great things from Dylan previously but never quite at the level of Tuesday game. That was the moment it became Dylan's team as I explained in the recap yesterday. Big difference maker and just a huge exponential needed growth to set the season on the right path. Reality is Notre Dame is not that good but it was the best team RU beat all year. RU showed some resiliency and grit in learning how to win. Not pretty and hairy at the end but finally some toughness and teamwork. The Alabama game became house money. Bama looked like a Final 4 team vs Houston the night before and there was potential this game could have got ugly. Conventional wisdom would say RU would hang a bit and then get worned down and the Tide would win going away. Yet that did not happen.

If you felt green around the gills after the Kennesaw State debacle, you should be feel highly encouraged from what you saw last night (I WILL CAVEAT THIS THOUGH LATER). Rutgers came to play and were not intimidated by facing Alabama so far starters having a belief you can beat a prohibitive favorite is important for a young team. The talent of Dylan and also Ace gives this team the confidence to feel they can beat any team any time. Rutgers would play Alabama toe to toe. Tough opponent for RU because of how explosive Bama is in gathering points and they still play D. Not a team you want to get into a track meet with. I think Pike did a fine job of managing the team throughout and they were able to hold sway through some rougher patches without the Tide being able to get seperation and blow it open. I do agree with Seth Davis somewhat. Bama just faced a physical overtime battle with top 10 Houston and left alot on the table there. RU had overtime but against a weaker Notre Dame. I think Bama was somewhat overlooking RU and not as focused and you can see that in their silly turnover number especially in the first half. By the time Bama buckled down, it was too late, it was a death match slugfest. Dylan was clown shoes as @Degaz-RU said. Degaz...that has to be the post of the year. Such an apt description of Dylan last night. If we thought the Notre Dame performance was something, last night he was sublime. Bama just had enough to hold on. RU certainly had a chance to win but the last couple minutes was a microcosm of what had plagued them all game......failure to rebound and inability to hit a 3 plus the inability of anyone besides Dylan or Ace to make a big time bucket. Stepping back and looking at it, wow Rutgers just played a SEC title fave and Final 4 contender to the wire. A team who had beaten Houston and put up 100 on Illinois with just a loss to Purdue. Pretty good company eh. I do not think any Rutgers have should have a concern that RU will not be able to compete with any team on the schedule. Dylan on another level and now we all know what that means. Obviously he is not going to putting up 35 points every night. That would wear the kid down pretty quickly. Yet do not forget about Ace who took a big step forward last night. All Rutgers fans should feel alot better about the seasons prognosis then they did at any point this season. The devil is in the details though and that is the CAVEAT.

In the 3 games against real team, actually 4 if you include KSU as a real team and even throw the St Johns exhibition in there. All the games right down to the wire. All seeing big time play from Dylan and middling offensive contributions from the supporting cast. Defense for sure has improved since St Johns and despite giving up 90 last night, I thought it was one of the better defensive performance, actually both Vegas games. Yet my concern is will it be groundhog day for RU every night. Will it be the Dylan/Ace show putting up 45-50 points doing enough to keep RU in the game but the lack of supporting cast and lack of rebounding just resulting in the same type of close win or loss night in and out. Its just a fear and its small sample size as we are only 7 games in. I think the next 2 games will tell ALOT to answer my questions. Pike is an excellent coach. Rebounding is the #1 issue facing the program. Pike has to identify the players he wants to put in there to specifically fill a role as a scrappy rebounder. It could be Acuff. It could be Derkack. Ultimately if it is not fixed, I fear the same type of back and forth game game every night no matter if RU is playing Minnesota or Illinois.

The younger players have reason every reason to get better. J Will hampered by injury is looking like he is coming back to his form. Him being the third contributor makes a huge difference. A defensive leader, his foul trouble last night was a big factor in the loss. I would have loved to see what would have happened if he could have stayed on the court because he is that guy who can hit the big shot besides Dylan and his defensive prowess was missed at that point. Dylan has not had a bad night all year. He will have one by the end of the year, it happens. When that does, RU will need multiple players confident enough to step in to make up for it. Last night in a big spot, Derkack whiffed on a dunk and a couple of open 3s and that is a killer. Hayes has shown flashes to hit the 3 but his defensive so behind its kept him off the court. Acuff another one who had a great game vs Notre Dame but looked slow on a consecutive night game vs Bama. Martini has yet to show anything IMO yet. Ogbole becoming servicable on D but cannot be counted for consistent production. Lathan is finding out things are not the same when the competition is tougher. J Mike seems like he has regressed. Grant and Dortsch are hopelessly riding pine.

Now circling back to last night to touch on some stats. I know many in the game thread were on the officiating...predictably (who knew) yet while I think they were a bit inconsistent, I do not think they are biased in any direction. There were a whopping 55 fouls called and 29 were called on Alabama. Have we ever seen a RU team making a living at the foul line. I do not recall this.....30-35 is just incredible..is that a record, someone look that up. Harper was sick going 15-16. Harper is going to get fouled alot. He took 16 against a very good team so whats going to happen against your average Big 10 team who cannot defend him. Going to be a big strategy for this team to put up needed points and if Ogbole who went 5-6 can keep it up that is just gravy.

2-13 on 3s is dreadful. Bama was 10-25. It seemed like more because when they did hit, they were timely. Like the one after the missed Derkack dunk that put Bama up 56-53 and I dont think they trailed after that. Tough to beat a volume scoring team like Bama by only hitting 2 threes. Amazing that RU was able to be just a layup and a stop away from doing just that.

Rebounding just ugly. Bama won the battle 43-31 and 16-12 on the offensive boards. Does someone know the 2nd or third chance points because it appeared Bama feasted on them.

RU actually looked dead at 88-80 and there was every reason to think he game had slipped away with just under 4 to go. Harper did his stuff and Ace nailed a giant 3 and then I thought our D was playing tough forcing a turnover. Then Harper down the lane for a layup and its down to 88-87. RU was right there. In the heat of battle, RU was actually grabbing some offensive rebounds. Down 90-87, RU had 3 chances to put a bucket in. JD missed a layup but RU retained possession, JD would miss a wide open 3 to tie the game but RU still retained possession on the out of bounds and then Acuff hit 1 of 2. Bama then turned it over after a miss and rebound. Dylan just could not covert at 90-88 drawing a double team. There were just some missed opportunities for rebounds late including the missed free throw where RU could have had a shot at tying the game if they boarded. Lathan not able to come up with the board and Bama up 5.

So from that perspective just no quit in this team. Dylan will always be the best player on the court and Ace not far behind. That is an immense advantage in a close game. Long term though it looks like Pike is going to have to do another THREAD THE NEEDLE coaching job this year. In the past, he did it with defense and squeezing every last bit out of them to hide for the lacking of scoring ability. This year its going to be about threading the needle getting just enough out of the supporting cast whether its through rebounding or setting someone up on the wing for a 3 to be able to squeak wins out. Another possible strategy is to continue to take care of the ball like they did vs Bama only 9 while pressuring other teams into coughing it up. RU is at the top of the Big 10 with just 9 a game. I think last night points off turnovers was 23-8 so those kind of things can make up for the poor overall defense and rebounding. These game will not be played in the 60s that is for sure. The defense is getting better little by little you see the signs but this is never going to be a lock down defensive team. Ace and Dylan are getting better defensively but it will never be fair to them to ask they become lock down defenders. That isnt their role. Get J Will healthy and get him 10-12 ppg and Pike gets closer to threading that needle.

Texas A&M up next. Team and staff some time off to rest and reflect. Aggies are a challenge and likely NCAA team but a rung down from Alabama. Expect a battle but another test to see where we currently are and how much do we have to go. With that loss to Kennesaw, Rutgers would do themselves well to notch a win here to give them a quality win on the resume. Want to get them sooner than later and unfortunately this is the last chance to pick up a meaningful OOC win. Yes not a must win but big opportunity game.
 
People need to keep in mind the immense challenge of bringing together all these new players and molding a team that can play cohesive defense, team rebound, play efficient offense.

The hope was always that Dylan and Ace would keep us from racking up too many losses early in the season, and then we watch for gradual progress and for Pike to do his thing so that we can be primed to go on a run in March. So far this is what I expected.
 
ill add that dercack in the supporting cast can play defense. He can also attack the rim… his fault is trying to destroy the rim. Although against bama he was clearly fouled in the dunk attempt. But couple times he could have just laid it up. He’s a pesky def defender too. Big ten opposing players will hate him.
 
Don’t have time to read, we have the most impactful player in college basketball on our team, Ace took a huge step last night.
This team is going to win a lot of games.

I am the opposite of an optimist but i know what it’s like to have the best player in the league on your team and to play against him.

We are going to be tough, even with our warts
 
Good recap and a lot to feel good about in this game. Sommerville not securing the board off the missed free throw was just a dagger and would have given them a chance to tie. And have to give a hat tip to Nelson’s D on Harper’s drive late down 2. He draws a foul or makes that 9 times out of 10. Disagree a bit on the reffing as Foul count never tells the tale. The inconsistency was maddening especially any time Derkack had the ball.
 
Special thoughts go out to all the fans who travelled out to Vegas and wish safe travels back later in the weekend. You have represented RU incredibly well and your support was definitely heard on the broadcasts.
... especially when you screwed up the R-U chant (just like we do at home for the last decade). 😂
 
Appreciate your recaps and enjoy reading. I'm optimistic and believe where in the early chapters on the Book of this season.

Believe that the games of the night before were not advantages, nor disadvantages to either team as both experienced hard fought wins requiring spent energy. Also believe the Rutgers defense contributed to Alabama's 19 TOs over the course of the game. And truly believe that if JWill did not run into foul trouble and end up fouling out the outcome of this game would have been different due to his perimeter defense and a decent night offensively.
 
Bac - Excellent post, including the caveat.

Williams is ONE key: A healthy Williams becomes the hugely important 3rd consistent player to complement Harper and Bailey.

FYI, and connected to Williams: I think the officiating was NOT biased (agree with you there), but it was more than inconsistent, it was poor - and because Alabama is deeper than RU it hurt RU more. In particular, the most damaging 2 calls were very early in the game, both REALLY bad calls, especially when coupled with a 3rd call in basically the same set of sequences. In a series of sequences, 2 back to back, and a 3rd a few game minutes later, Williams drove to the basket from the right side of the lane, and was absolutely hammered as he shot, and no call was made when a2 FT's shoulkd have been awarded. Next, in the ensuing defensive possession, or in the next possession, Williams was called for a foul as he defended on a drive to the baseline: PHANTOM foul, there was little and maybe no contact. Then a couple of game minutes later, Williams was called for a foul as the man he was covering dribbled and drove hard from the corner towards the foul line extended. The offensive player stumbled, and Williams was called for the foul - again, no contact. 2 quick fouls on Williams and it changed the complexion of the game and Pikiell's substitution patterns ... without Williams fouling out (and his other 3 fouls were all legitimate, even hard, fouls), HE might be taking those 2 late wide open 3's that Derkack took - maybe sinking 1, even. Or not.

There were also 2 key plays late in the 2nd half that went against RU and were really hurtful: On one play Hayes not only boxed out well on an Alabama missed shot, but was in great position for the defensive rebound - the player he was boxing out literally took both hands, grabbed Hayes by the shoulders, and pulled him aside towards the baseline, leading to an offensive rebound and put back. And on another play, late in the game, Derkack was defending one on one, The Alabama player drove into the lane from the wing 3-point line ... I though Derkack played it perfectly: He angled to cut off the player's dribbling path, getting to the spot halfway between the foul line and the lower circle inside the lane, planted, and the Alabama player lowered his shoulder, knocked Derkack to the floor and pulled up for the ensuing wide open 10 footer. As clear an offensive foul as you will see.

That said, RU lost despite MANY positive things, mainly because they literally could not make a 3-point shot - and all 3 of Derrkack's misses were WIDE open ... and the correct shots to take ... Acuff missed a wide open 3. Martini missed an open, but probably too-deep 3, but also missed another open 3. Harper hurried 2 of his 3 missed 3's (certainly should not have taken one of them), and Bailey missed a couple - at least 1 wide open.

Yes, you could blame the defensive rebounding - but RU also was +11 on turnovers ... so that was an offset. Hard to beat a top 10 team making 10-25 3's, when you only make 2 of 13.

More later.
 
First of all, I would like to wish the Rutgers family, posters, players, coaches a Happy Thanksgiving. Special thoughts go out to all the fans who travelled out to Vegas and wish safe travels back later in the weekend. You have represented RU incredibly well and your support was definitely heard on the broadcasts. Its been quite a ride the past two days with the late nights and bright lights. FINALLY, the Rutgers program is relevant on the national scene. No shitty game against St Bumblebee at 8pm Thanksgiving Eve at the RAC with a Sunday game at noon looming vs Stonebird U as part of some stupid bottom feeder classic that does not matter. Big time programs play big time tourneys and you see it all over the country. Pike has been adverse to this previously and the excuse of kids wanting to be home for the holidays vs a tourney in Vegas or Maui or Puerto Rico has been shattered. This is how you do it. It is clear that players rise to the occasion once those bright lights are shining.

Lots of different thoughts swirling. For starters what a rollcoaster in just 5 days. Just a stupid bad loss at Kennesaw where RU was outscored an unfathomable 40-15 at one point A true low point of the season. Team running on hype alone thinking all they had to do is show up on the court and they would win. I almost knew it was coming based on signs from the RAC games. I wish it did not happen but its likely for this teams development it just had to happen. I think most preseason expectations of Vegas was beat Notre Dame and then probably 2 losses vs Bama and Houston. That would change with the scheduling switch. Meant no Houston and perhaps a winnable 3 game. After the KSU loss, I think the possibility of 0-3 was real and perhaps extending to a 4-5 start. The Notre Dame game was certainly exciting but more importantly it showed Dylan Harper leaping from freshmen phenom to NBA ready player. We saw some great things from Dylan previously but never quite at the level of Tuesday game. That was the moment it became Dylan's team as I explained in the recap yesterday. Big difference maker and just a huge exponential needed growth to set the season on the right path. Reality is Notre Dame is not that good but it was the best team RU beat all year. RU showed some resiliency and grit in learning how to win. Not pretty and hairy at the end but finally some toughness and teamwork. The Alabama game became house money. Bama looked like a Final 4 team vs Houston the night before and there was potential this game could have got ugly. Conventional wisdom would say RU would hang a bit and then get worned down and the Tide would win going away. Yet that did not happen.

If you felt green around the gills after the Kennesaw State debacle, you should be feel highly encouraged from what you saw last night (I WILL CAVEAT THIS THOUGH LATER). Rutgers came to play and were not intimidated by facing Alabama so far starters having a belief you can beat a prohibitive favorite is important for a young team. The talent of Dylan and also Ace gives this team the confidence to feel they can beat any team any time. Rutgers would play Alabama toe to toe. Tough opponent for RU because of how explosive Bama is in gathering points and they still play D. Not a team you want to get into a track meet with. I think Pike did a fine job of managing the team throughout and they were able to hold sway through some rougher patches without the Tide being able to get seperation and blow it open. I do agree with Seth Davis somewhat. Bama just faced a physical overtime battle with top 10 Houston and left alot on the table there. RU had overtime but against a weaker Notre Dame. I think Bama was somewhat overlooking RU and not as focused and you can see that in their silly turnover number especially in the first half. By the time Bama buckled down, it was too late, it was a death match slugfest. Dylan was clown shoes as @Degaz-RU said. Degaz...that has to be the post of the year. Such an apt description of Dylan last night. If we thought the Notre Dame performance was something, last night he was sublime. Bama just had enough to hold on. RU certainly had a chance to win but the last couple minutes was a microcosm of what had plagued them all game......failure to rebound and inability to hit a 3 plus the inability of anyone besides Dylan or Ace to make a big time bucket. Stepping back and looking at it, wow Rutgers just played a SEC title fave and Final 4 contender to the wire. A team who had beaten Houston and put up 100 on Illinois with just a loss to Purdue. Pretty good company eh. I do not think any Rutgers have should have a concern that RU will not be able to compete with any team on the schedule. Dylan on another level and now we all know what that means. Obviously he is not going to putting up 35 points every night. That would wear the kid down pretty quickly. Yet do not forget about Ace who took a big step forward last night. All Rutgers fans should feel alot better about the seasons prognosis then they did at any point this season. The devil is in the details though and that is the CAVEAT.

In the 3 games against real team, actually 4 if you include KSU as a real team and even throw the St Johns exhibition in there. All the games right down to the wire. All seeing big time play from Dylan and middling offensive contributions from the supporting cast. Defense for sure has improved since St Johns and despite giving up 90 last night, I thought it was one of the better defensive performance, actually both Vegas games. Yet my concern is will it be groundhog day for RU every night. Will it be the Dylan/Ace show putting up 45-50 points doing enough to keep RU in the game but the lack of supporting cast and lack of rebounding just resulting in the same type of close win or loss night in and out. Its just a fear and its small sample size as we are only 7 games in. I think the next 2 games will tell ALOT to answer my questions. Pike is an excellent coach. Rebounding is the #1 issue facing the program. Pike has to identify the players he wants to put in there to specifically fill a role as a scrappy rebounder. It could be Acuff. It could be Derkack. Ultimately if it is not fixed, I fear the same type of back and forth game game every night no matter if RU is playing Minnesota or Illinois.

The younger players have reason every reason to get better. J Will hampered by injury is looking like he is coming back to his form. Him being the third contributor makes a huge difference. A defensive leader, his foul trouble last night was a big factor in the loss. I would have loved to see what would have happened if he could have stayed on the court because he is that guy who can hit the big shot besides Dylan and his defensive prowess was missed at that point. Dylan has not had a bad night all year. He will have one by the end of the year, it happens. When that does, RU will need multiple players confident enough to step in to make up for it. Last night in a big spot, Derkack whiffed on a dunk and a couple of open 3s and that is a killer. Hayes has shown flashes to hit the 3 but his defensive so behind its kept him off the court. Acuff another one who had a great game vs Notre Dame but looked slow on a consecutive night game vs Bama. Martini has yet to show anything IMO yet. Ogbole becoming servicable on D but cannot be counted for consistent production. Lathan is finding out things are not the same when the competition is tougher. J Mike seems like he has regressed. Grant and Dortsch are hopelessly riding pine.

Now circling back to last night to touch on some stats. I know many in the game thread were on the officiating...predictably (who knew) yet while I think they were a bit inconsistent, I do not think they are biased in any direction. There were a whopping 55 fouls called and 29 were called on Alabama. Have we ever seen a RU team making a living at the foul line. I do not recall this.....30-35 is just incredible..is that a record, someone look that up. Harper was sick going 15-16. Harper is going to get fouled alot. He took 16 against a very good team so whats going to happen against your average Big 10 team who cannot defend him. Going to be a big strategy for this team to put up needed points and if Ogbole who went 5-6 can keep it up that is just gravy.

2-13 on 3s is dreadful. Bama was 10-25. It seemed like more because when they did hit, they were timely. Like the one after the missed Derkack dunk that put Bama up 56-53 and I dont think they trailed after that. Tough to beat a volume scoring team like Bama by only hitting 2 threes. Amazing that RU was able to be just a layup and a stop away from doing just that.

Rebounding just ugly. Bama won the battle 43-31 and 16-12 on the offensive boards. Does someone know the 2nd or third chance points because it appeared Bama feasted on them.

RU actually looked dead at 88-80 and there was every reason to think he game had slipped away with just under 4 to go. Harper did his stuff and Ace nailed a giant 3 and then I thought our D was playing tough forcing a turnover. Then Harper down the lane for a layup and its down to 88-87. RU was right there. In the heat of battle, RU was actually grabbing some offensive rebounds. Down 90-87, RU had 3 chances to put a bucket in. JD missed a layup but RU retained possession, JD would miss a wide open 3 to tie the game but RU still retained possession on the out of bounds and then Acuff hit 1 of 2. Bama then turned it over after a miss and rebound. Dylan just could not covert at 90-88 drawing a double team. There were just some missed opportunities for rebounds late including the missed free throw where RU could have had a shot at tying the game if they boarded. Lathan not able to come up with the board and Bama up 5.

So from that perspective just no quit in this team. Dylan will always be the best player on the court and Ace not far behind. That is an immense advantage in a close game. Long term though it looks like Pike is going to have to do another THREAD THE NEEDLE coaching job this year. In the past, he did it with defense and squeezing every last bit out of them to hide for the lacking of scoring ability. This year its going to be about threading the needle getting just enough out of the supporting cast whether its through rebounding or setting someone up on the wing for a 3 to be able to squeak wins out. Another possible strategy is to continue to take care of the ball like they did vs Bama only 9 while pressuring other teams into coughing it up. RU is at the top of the Big 10 with just 9 a game. I think last night points off turnovers was 23-8 so those kind of things can make up for the poor overall defense and rebounding. These game will not be played in the 60s that is for sure. The defense is getting better little by little you see the signs but this is never going to be a lock down defensive team. Ace and Dylan are getting better defensively but it will never be fair to them to ask they become lock down defenders. That isnt their role. Get J Will healthy and get him 10-12 ppg and Pike gets closer to threading that needle.

Texas A&M up next. Team and staff some time off to rest and reflect. Aggies are a challenge and likely NCAA team but a rung down from Alabama. Expect a battle but another test to see where we currently are and how much do we have to go. With that loss to Kennesaw, Rutgers would do themselves well to notch a win here to give them a quality win on the resume. Want to get them sooner than later and unfortunately this is the last chance to pick up a meaningful OOC win. Yes not a must win but big opportunity game.
Per usual excellent recap, Happy Thanksgiving to bac as well. Will be going to the A&M game, fired up to watch these guys with what they have shown out in Vegas. We have reason to look forward to this season as there is room for growth and improvement such that RU could be a really, really dangerous team in March at the Big Dance. @bac2therac Do you know any details on Texas A&M? It looked to me like they don’t have a lot of size.
 
Per usual excellent recap, Happy Thanksgiving to bac as well. Will be going to the A&M game, fired up to watch these guys with what they have shown out in Vegas. We have reason to look forward to this season as there is room for growth and improvement such that RU could be a really, really dangerous team in March at the Big Dance. @bac2therac Do you know any details on Texas A&M? It looked to me like they don’t have a lot of size.
check the thread on Texas A&M going on right now.....they are a physical team, 7th in rebounding in the country but not really a 3 point threat. Buzz teams play hard and known for toughness
 
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Great job on the recap. FYI-- story about last night's game in the Bama Hammer highly complimentary to RU
 
First of all, I would like to wish the Rutgers family, posters, players, coaches a Happy Thanksgiving. Special thoughts go out to all the fans who travelled out to Vegas and wish safe travels back later in the weekend. You have represented RU incredibly well and your support was definitely heard on the broadcasts. Its been quite a ride the past two days with the late nights and bright lights. FINALLY, the Rutgers program is relevant on the national scene. No shitty game against St Bumblebee at 8pm Thanksgiving Eve at the RAC with a Sunday game at noon looming vs Stonebird U as part of some stupid bottom feeder classic that does not matter. Big time programs play big time tourneys and you see it all over the country. Pike has been adverse to this previously and the excuse of kids wanting to be home for the holidays vs a tourney in Vegas or Maui or Puerto Rico has been shattered. This is how you do it. It is clear that players rise to the occasion once those bright lights are shining.

Lots of different thoughts swirling. For starters what a rollcoaster in just 5 days. Just a stupid bad loss at Kennesaw where RU was outscored an unfathomable 40-15 at one point A true low point of the season. Team running on hype alone thinking all they had to do is show up on the court and they would win. I almost knew it was coming based on signs from the RAC games. I wish it did not happen but its likely for this teams development it just had to happen. I think most preseason expectations of Vegas was beat Notre Dame and then probably 2 losses vs Bama and Houston. That would change with the scheduling switch. Meant no Houston and perhaps a winnable 3 game. After the KSU loss, I think the possibility of 0-3 was real and perhaps extending to a 4-5 start. The Notre Dame game was certainly exciting but more importantly it showed Dylan Harper leaping from freshmen phenom to NBA ready player. We saw some great things from Dylan previously but never quite at the level of Tuesday game. That was the moment it became Dylan's team as I explained in the recap yesterday. Big difference maker and just a huge exponential needed growth to set the season on the right path. Reality is Notre Dame is not that good but it was the best team RU beat all year. RU showed some resiliency and grit in learning how to win. Not pretty and hairy at the end but finally some toughness and teamwork. The Alabama game became house money. Bama looked like a Final 4 team vs Houston the night before and there was potential this game could have got ugly. Conventional wisdom would say RU would hang a bit and then get worned down and the Tide would win going away. Yet that did not happen.

If you felt green around the gills after the Kennesaw State debacle, you should be feel highly encouraged from what you saw last night (I WILL CAVEAT THIS THOUGH LATER). Rutgers came to play and were not intimidated by facing Alabama so far starters having a belief you can beat a prohibitive favorite is important for a young team. The talent of Dylan and also Ace gives this team the confidence to feel they can beat any team any time. Rutgers would play Alabama toe to toe. Tough opponent for RU because of how explosive Bama is in gathering points and they still play D. Not a team you want to get into a track meet with. I think Pike did a fine job of managing the team throughout and they were able to hold sway through some rougher patches without the Tide being able to get seperation and blow it open. I do agree with Seth Davis somewhat. Bama just faced a physical overtime battle with top 10 Houston and left alot on the table there. RU had overtime but against a weaker Notre Dame. I think Bama was somewhat overlooking RU and not as focused and you can see that in their silly turnover number especially in the first half. By the time Bama buckled down, it was too late, it was a death match slugfest. Dylan was clown shoes as @Degaz-RU said. Degaz...that has to be the post of the year. Such an apt description of Dylan last night. If we thought the Notre Dame performance was something, last night he was sublime. Bama just had enough to hold on. RU certainly had a chance to win but the last couple minutes was a microcosm of what had plagued them all game......failure to rebound and inability to hit a 3 plus the inability of anyone besides Dylan or Ace to make a big time bucket. Stepping back and looking at it, wow Rutgers just played a SEC title fave and Final 4 contender to the wire. A team who had beaten Houston and put up 100 on Illinois with just a loss to Purdue. Pretty good company eh. I do not think any Rutgers have should have a concern that RU will not be able to compete with any team on the schedule. Dylan on another level and now we all know what that means. Obviously he is not going to putting up 35 points every night. That would wear the kid down pretty quickly. Yet do not forget about Ace who took a big step forward last night. All Rutgers fans should feel alot better about the seasons prognosis then they did at any point this season. The devil is in the details though and that is the CAVEAT.

In the 3 games against real team, actually 4 if you include KSU as a real team and even throw the St Johns exhibition in there. All the games right down to the wire. All seeing big time play from Dylan and middling offensive contributions from the supporting cast. Defense for sure has improved since St Johns and despite giving up 90 last night, I thought it was one of the better defensive performance, actually both Vegas games. Yet my concern is will it be groundhog day for RU every night. Will it be the Dylan/Ace show putting up 45-50 points doing enough to keep RU in the game but the lack of supporting cast and lack of rebounding just resulting in the same type of close win or loss night in and out. Its just a fear and its small sample size as we are only 7 games in. I think the next 2 games will tell ALOT to answer my questions. Pike is an excellent coach. Rebounding is the #1 issue facing the program. Pike has to identify the players he wants to put in there to specifically fill a role as a scrappy rebounder. It could be Acuff. It could be Derkack. Ultimately if it is not fixed, I fear the same type of back and forth game game every night no matter if RU is playing Minnesota or Illinois.

The younger players have reason every reason to get better. J Will hampered by injury is looking like he is coming back to his form. Him being the third contributor makes a huge difference. A defensive leader, his foul trouble last night was a big factor in the loss. I would have loved to see what would have happened if he could have stayed on the court because he is that guy who can hit the big shot besides Dylan and his defensive prowess was missed at that point. Dylan has not had a bad night all year. He will have one by the end of the year, it happens. When that does, RU will need multiple players confident enough to step in to make up for it. Last night in a big spot, Derkack whiffed on a dunk and a couple of open 3s and that is a killer. Hayes has shown flashes to hit the 3 but his defensive so behind its kept him off the court. Acuff another one who had a great game vs Notre Dame but looked slow on a consecutive night game vs Bama. Martini has yet to show anything IMO yet. Ogbole becoming servicable on D but cannot be counted for consistent production. Lathan is finding out things are not the same when the competition is tougher. J Mike seems like he has regressed. Grant and Dortsch are hopelessly riding pine.

Now circling back to last night to touch on some stats. I know many in the game thread were on the officiating...predictably (who knew) yet while I think they were a bit inconsistent, I do not think they are biased in any direction. There were a whopping 55 fouls called and 29 were called on Alabama. Have we ever seen a RU team making a living at the foul line. I do not recall this.....30-35 is just incredible..is that a record, someone look that up. Harper was sick going 15-16. Harper is going to get fouled alot. He took 16 against a very good team so whats going to happen against your average Big 10 team who cannot defend him. Going to be a big strategy for this team to put up needed points and if Ogbole who went 5-6 can keep it up that is just gravy.

2-13 on 3s is dreadful. Bama was 10-25. It seemed like more because when they did hit, they were timely. Like the one after the missed Derkack dunk that put Bama up 56-53 and I dont think they trailed after that. Tough to beat a volume scoring team like Bama by only hitting 2 threes. Amazing that RU was able to be just a layup and a stop away from doing just that.

Rebounding just ugly. Bama won the battle 43-31 and 16-12 on the offensive boards. Does someone know the 2nd or third chance points because it appeared Bama feasted on them.

RU actually looked dead at 88-80 and there was every reason to think he game had slipped away with just under 4 to go. Harper did his stuff and Ace nailed a giant 3 and then I thought our D was playing tough forcing a turnover. Then Harper down the lane for a layup and its down to 88-87. RU was right there. In the heat of battle, RU was actually grabbing some offensive rebounds. Down 90-87, RU had 3 chances to put a bucket in. JD missed a layup but RU retained possession, JD would miss a wide open 3 to tie the game but RU still retained possession on the out of bounds and then Acuff hit 1 of 2. Bama then turned it over after a miss and rebound. Dylan just could not covert at 90-88 drawing a double team. There were just some missed opportunities for rebounds late including the missed free throw where RU could have had a shot at tying the game if they boarded. Lathan not able to come up with the board and Bama up 5.

So from that perspective just no quit in this team. Dylan will always be the best player on the court and Ace not far behind. That is an immense advantage in a close game. Long term though it looks like Pike is going to have to do another THREAD THE NEEDLE coaching job this year. In the past, he did it with defense and squeezing every last bit out of them to hide for the lacking of scoring ability. This year its going to be about threading the needle getting just enough out of the supporting cast whether its through rebounding or setting someone up on the wing for a 3 to be able to squeak wins out. Another possible strategy is to continue to take care of the ball like they did vs Bama only 9 while pressuring other teams into coughing it up. RU is at the top of the Big 10 with just 9 a game. I think last night points off turnovers was 23-8 so those kind of things can make up for the poor overall defense and rebounding. These game will not be played in the 60s that is for sure. The defense is getting better little by little you see the signs but this is never going to be a lock down defensive team. Ace and Dylan are getting better defensively but it will never be fair to them to ask they become lock down defenders. That isnt their role. Get J Will healthy and get him 10-12 ppg and Pike gets closer to threading that needle.

Texas A&M up next. Team and staff some time off to rest and reflect. Aggies are a challenge and likely NCAA team but a rung down from Alabama. Expect a battle but another test to see where we currently are and how much do we have to go. With that loss to Kennesaw, Rutgers would do themselves well to notch a win here to give them a quality win on the resume. Want to get them sooner than later and unfortunately this is the last chance to pick up a meaningful OOC win. Yes not a must win but big opportunity game.
Bac, as always, tremendous recap of the game and the big picture (and thanks for the nod). Things look a bit brighter after these two games than they did Sunday afternoon.

By the way, Dylan is now THIRD in the country in scoring at 24.6 ppg, behind Anthony Roy, a guard from Green Bay (28.3) and Eric Dixon of Villanova (25.1). And he’s scoring that much while only hitting 8 threes. It’s unbelievable, really, that Dylan is actually EXCEEDING anybody’s already lofty expectations — by a lot.
 
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Per usual excellent recap, Happy Thanksgiving to bac as well. Will be going to the A&M game, fired up to watch these guys with what they have shown out in Vegas. We have reason to look forward to this season as there is room for growth and improvement such that RU could be a really, really dangerous team in March at the Big Dance. @bac2therac Do you know any details on Texas A&M? It looked to me like they don’t have a lot of size.
Here is what I posted in the Texas A&M thread. Don’t be fooled by their modest height:

Biggest issue with aTm is that they are FEROCIOUS on the glass, which is a terrible matchup for our rebounding-challenged team.

The Aggies are out-rebounding their opponents a whopping 45-32, and they have four absolute DAWGS who attack the boards relentlessly.

- 6-8, 250 Henry Coleman - averages 11.3 ppg and 7 rpg (4 OREB) in just 21 minutes

- 6-7, 220 Andersson Garcia - averages 6.1 ppg and 7 rpg in 25.6 minutes

- 6-9, 250 Pharrel Payne (yes, the Minnesota transfer) - averages 6 ppg and 5 rpg in 17.6 minutes

- 6-7, 220 Solomon Washington- averages 4.9 ppg and 6.3 rpg in 21.8 minutes

This is not even counting their top two scorers, 6-4 Zhuric Phelps and 6-0 Wade Taylor, who average 4.2 rpg and 4.0 rpg, respectively.

We are going to get DESTROYED on the boards unless Pike instills a game plan to sacrifice runouts for defensive rebounding. WE MUST DEDICATE OURSELVES TO TEAM REBOUNDING.

The good news is that aTm is not a good 3-pt shooting team. They are only averaging 31.4% from deep (53-169). So we will also have to sacrifice a little perimeter defense for crashing the defensive glass once a shot goes up, and just hope the Aggies don’t get too many second-chance kickouts and have an off night from deep.
 
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Nice summary and Happy Thanksgiving to all! We really played well against a possible FF team with the most important improvement from past games being Ace being far more active especially on defense, disrupting a bunch of plays, while also regaining his shooting touch. Would have liked to see him get more open looks late in the game after his three, when we really could've used another one.

Harper is becoming otherworldly, especially with his control of the offense, his incredible drives/finishes and his great FT shooting when he gets fouled - this is the one reason I don't see him having any really "bad" games, since he'll always be able to score on some drives and FTs, even if he isn't hitting outside shots. Bailey, on the other hand, relies far more on jump shots and will have some off nights. But with Harper being amazing, Ace being almost amazing on a regular basis makes us very tough out, even with modest contributions from others.

Agree completely that JWill is rounding into shape and is a critical piece as a 3rd option, plus he plays excellent defense and shows good leadership. And agree with lion1983 that while the reffing was "balanced" it was certainly inconsistent at times and Williams just got unlucky he got whistled on a couple of weak calls; on the other hand Harper got bailed out with at least 2-3 touch fouls on his drives, sending him to the line.

But we're going to need more from the rest of the supporting cast to be more than a bubble/11-12 seed NCAA team. Maybe it just comes with time and the team gelling or maybe one or two guys step up their games. We need it.
 
Here is what I posted in the Texas A&M thread. Don’t be fooled by their modest height:

Biggest issue with aTm is that they are FEROCIOUS on the glass, which is a terrible matchup for our rebounding-challenged team.

The Aggies are out-rebounding their opponents a whopping 45-32, and they have four absolute DAWGS who attack the boards relentlessly.

- 6-8, 250 Henry Coleman - averages 11.3 ppg and 7 rpg (4 OREB) in just 21 minutes

- 6-7, 220 Andersson Garcia - averages 6.1 ppg and 7 rpg in 25.6 minutes

- 6-9, 250 Pharrel Payne (yes, the Minnesota transfer) - averages 6 ppg and 5 rpg in 17.6 minutes

- 6-7, 220 Solomon Washington- averages 4.9 ppg and 6.3 rpg in 21.8 minutes

This is not even counting their top two scorers, 6-4 Zhuric Phelps and 6-0 Wade Taylor, who average 4.2 rpg and 4.0 rpg, respectively.

We are going to get DESTROYED on the boards unless Pike instills a game plan to sacrifice runouts for defensive rebounding. WE MUST DEDICATE OURSELVES TO TEAM REBOUNDING.

The good news is that aTm is not a good 3-pt shooting team. They are only averaging 31.4% from deep (53-169). So we will also have to sacrifice a little perimeter defense for crashing the defensive glass once a shot goes up, and just hope the Aggies don’t get too many second-chance kickouts and have an off night from deep.
Thank you didn’t see the thread

@bac2therac Net rankings come out next week I believe. Assuming they beat Texas A&M, do you have any feel or instinct for where RU may sit? They are 72 in KenPom, not sure if there may be a variance between the two that favors RU when the Net comes out.
 
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We lost to a very good team. We had a wide open look from 3 to tie it late. Can't ask for more than that.

We can't put that load on Harper every game. Pike has to max out the efficiency for Derkack, JWill, EO, LS and Davis. With our rebounding issue and defense not as strong as years past, there is no margin for error. He has to demand efficient play.

Davis - uncontested fast break layups. Period.

JWill - no mid range shots or 3 attempts early in the shot clock. His 1 miss was ill-advised. He is a less efficient version of Harper (who isn't?) so he needs to weed out the questionable shots.

Derkack - it's good or bad. Reminds of early Jacob young. He isn't in the NEC anymore. Still tries to force the action too much, often early in the shot clock. We don't need/want that. Seems to be averaging about 3 I'll advised shots per game. We desperately need him to be able to hit the open 3. I'd love to know how many practice reps he gets per day. No early 3 attempts allowed for now.

LS - get out of the way if Ace or Dylan has the ball. Did a better job of that against Alabama. Pike has to figure out where we can get some points from him when we enter B1G play and then make sure LS understands his role.

EO - put backs only for now. not sure why the players are looking to pass to him. He seems to momentarily freeze when receiving/collecting the pass, which allows the defense to recover. Cliff was like the hare, he is like the tortoise.
The staff has to continue to work with in practice. His offense isn't game ready. I like him and he seems like a hard worker.
 
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