Game examples of High Basketball IQ
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When a player drives and draws two guards- high basketball iq is knowing you've created that situation and passing the ball off because someone is open and has a better shot than you do. The whole purpose is to draw two guards and open up a better shot for your team mate. A high IQ player makes that pass if he doesn't have a better chance at doing it himself.
Many times through the season you see players continue to drive in those situations. Pass it off.
Just one of many examples of being a heady, high iq player.
Many times through the season you see players continue to drive in those situations. Pass it off.
Just one of many examples of being a heady, high iq player.
I saw guys (and gals) making the appropriate and timely pass into the post. I saw players making two handed passes and looking at where they were going to pass the ball BEFORE just throwing it. I saw players playing defense without grabbing with their hands. I saw players taking shots that during the game were falling and avoiding the one's that were out of their range, skill set, or even flow of THAT particular game. I saw players covering for each other on defense. I saw LOTS and LOTS of inbound plays with very little issue.
none of this was even close to being High IQ..just average.
I'll give you one of each from last night's B1G women's Champ game (OCU v. Mary)
I give the OSU coach the High award for getting that T at the perfect time to stop the calls going against his team and set the tone / change the game for his team going down the wire. I go the other way on the young woman who took the final 3 attempt to tie from half court when there was still like 2.5 seconds on the clock and could have gotten a lot closer...but then aganin in the moment that's likely not fair of me.
none of this was even close to being High IQ..just average.
I'll give you one of each from last night's B1G women's Champ game (OCU v. Mary)
I give the OSU coach the High award for getting that T at the perfect time to stop the calls going against his team and set the tone / change the game for his team going down the wire. I go the other way on the young woman who took the final 3 attempt to tie from half court when there was still like 2.5 seconds on the clock and could have gotten a lot closer...but then aganin in the moment that's likely not fair of me.
Was actually kind of poor basketball IQ, but I'm not sure. The guy shot the ball with about 5 seconds left and basically retreated to half court, taking him out of the play. A long shot usually leads to a long rebound. If the shot missed, the ball would have rebounded long and no one would have been there for a last second shot since all four were in the paint. Being in the paint on a long three is not really good positioning, but given the time constraint, it's a tough call. I think that a missed shot and long rebound could still have given them a quick final shot.
Ball movement, shot selection and defensive rotations are the three keys to high IQ.
If you want an example of a Low IQ watch the end of the Mich St vs Indiana game from saturday. Valentine makes one of the dumbest plays you'll ever see with 2 seconds left by fouling when up 2. Yogi bailed him out by missing the second but probably top 5 dumbest decisions i've ever seen.
High IQ is knowing the game situation as well as your advantages in match ups. Knowing when in the shot clock to take shots, go two for one, get the ball to the post, make the extra pass etc.
Another example of Low IQ is Kadeem against Maryland. Chucking up a three on a crucial possession early in the clock. That followed by his airball free throw was the turning point.
High IQ is knowing the game situation as well as your advantages in match ups. Knowing when in the shot clock to take shots, go two for one, get the ball to the post, make the extra pass etc.
Another example of Low IQ is Kadeem against Maryland. Chucking up a three on a crucial possession early in the clock. That followed by his airball free throw was the turning point.
I watch a lot of high and middle school basketball (including AAU), if what I highlighted is average, there are precious few average IQ players out there.
!984, great examples of high iq but still a lot of that is rarely seen in basketball these days. That is why a player that has some type of IQ is in high regard in my book.
!984, great examples of high iq but still a lot of that is rarely seen in basketball these days. That is why a player that has some type of IQ is in high regard in my book.
ok, perhaps what I consider avg is well above in today's game. Just got done watching the Patriot semi and Colonial final...just love the way those small schools play the game. Northeaster first trip since ehhhh...wait for it... 1991.
I keep hearing that Mike Williams has high bball IQ although I have not seen it, in fact I have seen little from him to determine either way...however there was a play last week against Purdue during the comeback and RU was trapping and pressing..I think down maybe only 6 and after a timeout instructions were to not foul when you had the player trapped and Williams fouled even though the player was trapped to the gills..game over...Macon was pleading on the sidelines not to foul...so there is an example of bad basketball IQ
I see teams like Minny with gangly tall white guys cutting, getting fed the ball and scoring......doing what they are coached to do.Thats a high IQ when you do what the coach has coached you to do.
Against Michigan we were playing basically their 2nd string due to injuries. Their guys made cuts to the basket, got fed and finished. Low point was when they put the suited up student managers in..we fouled one of the managers...pretty low IQ....
Against Michigan we were playing basically their 2nd string due to injuries. Their guys made cuts to the basket, got fed and finished. Low point was when they put the suited up student managers in..we fouled one of the managers...pretty low IQ....
According to Coach Mac at Iowa, that red headed kid named White is so smart he doesn't even need to be coached. I think I heard he was passed over by most schools and got picked up off the junk pile. (not a racial comment..that's his name)
That frosh Urich (sp) is quite something as well. I like Iowa in the dance depending on the bracket of course.
That frosh Urich (sp) is quite something as well. I like Iowa in the dance depending on the bracket of course.
Good discussion. I prefer this kind of stuff instead of player bashing or coach bashing.
Quick question.... Are basketball instincts and basketball IQ the same?
I view basketball instincts as the ability to know when to move to certain spots on both offense and defense to counter your opponent.
Example on offense.... If is player is driving along the baseline a teammate positioned outside near the 3 point line should start moving into the paint to possibly get a pass if the guy with the ball draws a double team. That's good instincts... knowing when and where to move. OR.... is it high basketball IQ?
Some players would simply stand and watch..... others will make a move to a spot for a possible open shot.
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This post was edited on 3/10 9:37 AM by RU-Choppin-Ohio
Quick question.... Are basketball instincts and basketball IQ the same?
I view basketball instincts as the ability to know when to move to certain spots on both offense and defense to counter your opponent.
Example on offense.... If is player is driving along the baseline a teammate positioned outside near the 3 point line should start moving into the paint to possibly get a pass if the guy with the ball draws a double team. That's good instincts... knowing when and where to move. OR.... is it high basketball IQ?
Some players would simply stand and watch..... others will make a move to a spot for a possible open shot.
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This post was edited on 3/10 9:37 AM by RU-Choppin-Ohio
Sounds like helpside defense. Cheat down and cut off passing angles. Since that is taught I would vote IQ. Understanding of the game.
When the ball is shot, seeing where the ball flight takes the shot and where it is likely to hit and rebound is my example of instincts. Or running to a spot to jump a pass because the player just "felt" it coming under the circumstances.
Yes, I think there is SOME difference...maybe having good intincts is a sub-set of having a high IQ? (MHO)
I'll take a player who is playing for the team over the individual...
Basketball intelligence is OVERRATED. That is what a coaching staff is for. It is about getting players to buy in to what you want to do on both ends. It is about getting them locked in as a team and not individuals.
Basketball intelligence is OVERRATED. That is what a coaching staff is for. It is about getting players to buy in to what you want to do on both ends. It is about getting them locked in as a team and not individuals.
I point this out because I have seen multiple postings about Mike Williams having a high basketball IQ yet I have seen no one come out with anything to prove that he does. Its an example of what not to do. A guy with high IQ does not foul there or a guy with high basketball IQ does not foul on layup with making sure the foul is hard enough to alter the shot. Dez Wells had a high IQ play last week when he jumped over Myles Mack...Mack on the other hand showed low bball IQ by not drawing a foul there
in all fairness to Myles I am not sure anyone should have to take a guys crotch to the face in order to get a foul. I'd duck too! THAT would be INSTINCTS....
1984....My example was more about what the other offensive players should do in the situation. They should have the instincts to know where to move on the floor if a teammate is dribbling along the baseline.
The player with good instincts will move to a spot for a potential pass. The player with no instincts stands and watches.
1984, heard about those games. Seems like i missed out.
Fig, a coach is supposed to coach iq, but if a player doesn't exhibit it, seems like they don't have iq. A lot of players do opposite of what the coach says.
Bball iq should become instincts. We're probably over thinking this. If you have IQ and know what to do and where to do it, eventually done many times that is instinct.
Bac, that is obviously just one play. It is easy to point out good play by Williams when we seem to lack Iq a lot of times. Dez williams jumping over Myles Mack..i don't see how that is IQ. In a sense he's trying to close out a shot, but still.
If basketball IQ is instincts, our players lack instinct. Corey Sanders i have low expectations for, so i can be happy,All i want him to do is be able to make a good pass, and hit 6 points a game and stay in front of his man 70% of the time,
Too many times you see a player continue to drive after they have drawn their two guys. I hate that.
Fig, a coach is supposed to coach iq, but if a player doesn't exhibit it, seems like they don't have iq. A lot of players do opposite of what the coach says.
Bball iq should become instincts. We're probably over thinking this. If you have IQ and know what to do and where to do it, eventually done many times that is instinct.
Bac, that is obviously just one play. It is easy to point out good play by Williams when we seem to lack Iq a lot of times. Dez williams jumping over Myles Mack..i don't see how that is IQ. In a sense he's trying to close out a shot, but still.
If basketball IQ is instincts, our players lack instinct. Corey Sanders i have low expectations for, so i can be happy,All i want him to do is be able to make a good pass, and hit 6 points a game and stay in front of his man 70% of the time,
Too many times you see a player continue to drive after they have drawn their two guys. I hate that.
IQ goes out the window when you have a 6'5" 220lb guy flying at your head!
Also- I think you're confusing Dez's freak athleticism with IQ in that situation.
You can credit Turgeon and the entire Maryland team with a high IQ for exploiting matchups and finding a way to get Dez one on one everytime down in the final minutes and scoring at will.
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