I can't believe Miami fired Golden to hire Schiano
Greg Schiano to Miami???
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That's something I didn't know beyond Orlando. He's a CEO type coach to me and coordinator choice is very important for coaches like that to me. So to hire that many coaches who have gone on to do decent to good jobs at other places is a good sign. More connections now because of his time at Alabama might have helped his network as well. I think this is definitely a positive.
We're not going to be respectable in the Big Ten until we show we can beat some elite Big Ten teams (Michigan in a down year doesn't count). Cristobal and Golden, and to a lesser extent, Schiano, have ample bodies of work to consider and their records do not scream "great coach" to me.
There is a reason Richt is in such demand. He consistently wins. Schiano is just above .500. The others are losers. And even for Richt, it's going to be tough to beat elite teams (his record against top 25 teams is meh).
Winning is the priority. It will power recruiting and everything else.
His record is 27 - 47. So he may be great at producing assistant coaches or D coordinators. He may be the second coming of Jesus to Bucknell's head coach. But he's not a winner. I want to hire a winner.
That all sounds great but you are ignoring the state of the program right now. We need to work to get back to being an average team first. We were terrible this year and next year we have even less talent on the roster.
To me the number one criteria for an incoming coach would be recruiting. You need the athletes on the field to run your offense. Out of all the possible coaches out there no one would come remotely close to lane Kiffin on the recruiting front. As a matter-of-fact I believe he would give Kelly, Meyer and Harbaugh (sp) fits. With respect to game day coaching I believe Whittingham/Rich Rodriguez are the best right now. Any one else will be a so so hire.
All of this talk about Schiano makes me wonder. After 10 or so years, no one could say with certainty
whether he was a good or mediocre coach. Aside from Louisville and South Florida, I can't remember any notable wins to speak of, except perhaps at North Carolina. His wins were against teams with relatively poor won-lost records. He brought Rutgers from the depths of oblivion to mediocrity and there is no reason to believe he can reach the next level in a much stronger conference and a division with 4 top 20 teams.
whether he was a good or mediocre coach. Aside from Louisville and South Florida, I can't remember any notable wins to speak of, except perhaps at North Carolina. His wins were against teams with relatively poor won-lost records. He brought Rutgers from the depths of oblivion to mediocrity and there is no reason to believe he can reach the next level in a much stronger conference and a division with 4 top 20 teams.
We just lost to a 2-win Maryland team at home and gave up 400 yards rushing. Maybe set your sights a little lower. And if you don't like Schiano, Cristobal and Golden, you need to recalibrate your expectations. This isn't the most desirable job in the world and we can't throw a truckload of money at anyone.
So what are you saying? Because we're in a down cycle, that means we should hire a coach with a losing record?
If you're trying to manage my expectations for next season, don't bother. I almost always start seasons with very low expectations. We actually met the high-end of my expectations for this season. My expectations for next season are about the same as this season, although the coaching hires could obviously change that.
I have very realistic expectations. But if we're going to hire a coach, we should hire a winner that can realistically raise our expectations. 2016 will be tough. But the right coaching hire could go a long way to putting us back on track in 2017.
People keep saying that. On what are you basing your opinion that we can't throw a truckload of money at anyone? We paid Schiano decently and spent lots of money on the facilities. That money is wasted if we now fail to take advantage of the opportunity in the Big Ten. And doing that takes money.
We have a nearly $4B budget. We can find some money. The only question is if we will find and spend the money. Not if we can.
And no, I won't set my sights lower. I want RU to win a NC.
Okay, don't set your sights lower, but you will be disappointed.
So who do you want as the next coach then? A realistic name, someone we can get with a full staff for, at most, $5.5M.
if I was Miami, why would I hire Schiano?...the current crop of kids' only thoughts about Schiano is that he was an absolute failure at Tampa Bay.....Miami would remain #3 in FLA with GS at the helm...
If I'm Miami, I go with Cristobal then Davis.........much more upside and goodwill to the current crop of kids.....
If I'm Miami, I go with Cristobal then Davis.........much more upside and goodwill to the current crop of kids.....
There isn't a reason to believe he can bring RU to the next level based on past performance , but there is a reason to believe he can straighten out the program and make RU considered a good program, but not one of the better B1G programs.
Though I like what Schiano done to make Rutgers the type of program its fans expect greatness from, I don't think he is a good enough HC to bring RU into the promised land.
I like Greg and hope he gets the Miami job, so someone else can get the RU HC position.
But if RU is going for PR it could make a statement hiring Schiano instead of hiring on the cheap like I'm afraid it will do.
Actually their HS coaches will have something to do with what those HS players think about Schiano and the local media might do a good enough PR job that they don't think twice about his time at Tampa.
Good PR and endorsements from Florida HS coaches might go a long way in having Florida HS kids think positively about playing at Miami under Greg.
Jimbo Fisher and McIlwain will eat GS alive......they'll go to a recruit that Miami under GS is chasing..."let me tell you about a guy named Josh Freeman"....."let me tell you about Mr. Schiano's tenure at Tampa Bay"......"let me tell you and show you the billboards that Tampa residents took out to fire GS"......GS will have Miami permanently in the #3 hole in FL.....
Could be but Greg does have some recruiting ability himself and wouldn't be surprised if he could overcome the negative recruiting aimed at his pro career.
Also will need a top recruiter to make Miami look as desirable as FSU and Florida.
He's the only proven sure bet for having a good defense. That's the only problem with Miami.
Miami sell itself. It always has and always will. They'll in the easy league. He Only has to improve their defense just like Rutgers.
That's ridiculous. It really is.
I guess guys like Saban and Spurrier should have had their careers ruined by awful NFL experiences right?
There are 32 teams in the NFL. Schiano was one of 32 coaches to make it to the NFL. Neither Jimbo Fisher nor Jim McElwain can say they were NFL head coaches. I'm sure the high school coaches in Florida are well aware of all of the college coaches who struggled in the pros. It's the norm, not the exception. Hate Schiano all you want, but he was one of only 32 coaches at the highest level
So what....the man has no idea of honor...don't want him anywhere near us.
Kiffin is a loser as head coach twice already.
There is an element of chance in hiring a HC but let's not talk as if it's random chance. It's all about increasing your probabilities as I've said even though nothing is a guarantee. You can increase your probability of success with proper due diligence and analysis. The better ADs out there make hits on their hires, the ones that don't get fired most of the time although they may get a few bites at the apple.
Second thing is again be consistent, don't have a double standard. Before she was fired most said okay now is her chance to put a mark on the AD with a football hire. If it works out great and if it doesn't see ya JH and that's fine. But certainly there was none of this brush off talk of well it's all a crap shoot you know, no big deal, etc.......Be consistent in your metrics, your reactions, your judgments.
I'm skeptical of the guy because of his past track record of hires at SHU and if you're consistent in how you judged JH most of you would feel the same. However, I'm willing to give him a chance. The football hire is a great chance to make a first impression, a solid name would go a long way to feel better about him and then of course actually seeing how the hire performs in the coming years is the ultimate arbiter.
I've even given a path on how I could get around his lack of experience by saying it would great if he could hire a deputy AD with the qualities of JH coming up in an athletic department. Then you have both sides covered and the best of both worlds and someone to takeover whenever he leaves and who will have been "trained" by this guy in the finer points of NJ politics/media and possibly start a virtuous cycle.
Be fair and consistent in how you judge, react, etc...
Second thing is again be consistent, don't have a double standard. Before she was fired most said okay now is her chance to put a mark on the AD with a football hire. If it works out great and if it doesn't see ya JH and that's fine. But certainly there was none of this brush off talk of well it's all a crap shoot you know, no big deal, etc.......Be consistent in your metrics, your reactions, your judgments.
I'm skeptical of the guy because of his past track record of hires at SHU and if you're consistent in how you judged JH most of you would feel the same. However, I'm willing to give him a chance. The football hire is a great chance to make a first impression, a solid name would go a long way to feel better about him and then of course actually seeing how the hire performs in the coming years is the ultimate arbiter.
I've even given a path on how I could get around his lack of experience by saying it would great if he could hire a deputy AD with the qualities of JH coming up in an athletic department. Then you have both sides covered and the best of both worlds and someone to takeover whenever he leaves and who will have been "trained" by this guy in the finer points of NJ politics/media and possibly start a virtuous cycle.
Be fair and consistent in how you judge, react, etc...
Look, I don't like the guy as a candidate, but referencing 27-47 is disingenuous. He started with a 0 win team. He ended poorly, and that is certainly a concern, but you can't really count the first few years against him. It was a Shea like scenario he took over, maybe worse.
Agree with this and again it's about being consistent. If you think Schiano gets a pass the first few years here then you can't completely judge Cristobal on his total record if FIU was in such a terrible state as referenced by others here. It makes it little blurry to judge solely on record.
Just like with Mullen in 2013 when he was rumored. Some were like what has he done he's under .500 in the SEC and nothing particularly special etc.I'm like its Miss St. in the SEC and they're 2nd in state and don't have access or recruiting like the others etc..so yea while his record may not have been wow you have to see the surrounding circumstances to make a better judgment.
I'm not enamored by Cristobal and not a fan of the CEO model of coach but I do like that he found coordinators a few times who were good enough to step up. The coordinators may not have had the best performance when they did step up but still to attract and identify that type of coach at a FIU type school is something positive and necessary for a CEO coach especially.
So now report on what at the end of his tenure makes you concinvced? When others say highschool stadiums, woukdnt you day the same about his league?
Conference record for Cristobol:
1-6 7th
3-4 5th
3-4 6th
6-2 1st
5-3 4th
2-6 9th
Before Cristobol:
3-4 4th
0-7 8th
After:
1-7 7th
3-5 6th
Don't see upward trajectory of major improvement.
Being able to recruit as a position coach at Alabama is like trying to swim in the dead sea
Florida, Florida State, Miami.... Historically, they share a common approach to football: "winning" is above all, a "whatever it takes" approach to fielding the best athletes they can sign and then keeping them eligible. In order to compete and win there, you have to "walk with the witches." Schiano will find this a difficult dynamic to deal with. Think about it. He's not a good fit there. Butchy es perfecto, however.
Yeah, you didn't actually read what I wrote did you? I am in no way convinced that he is the guy, I flat out said the end of his tenure was a concern. That doesn't make quoting 27-47 at all useful.
You're calling the man a loser because he was unsuccessful at Tennessee and USC. I believe his record at Tennessee was 7-5 and (4-4) in conference. At USC he finished 8-5 before NCAA sanctions came down on USC from the P. Carroll era.
What I find amazing is that we are ready to welcome back a guy who was here for 10 years and never won a Title while playing in the weakest BCS conference. But we thumb our noses up and mock Coach Kiffin for having good results while playing in two of the toughest conferences in college football.
I'm not opinionated, however I am a realist. You are not going to win a big 10 conference championship without elite talent on the field. The administrations next question should be, out of all the available coaches out there who can out recruit Kelly, Meyer and Harbaugh?
Christobol-no
Schiano-no
Fleck-no
Rhule-no
Rodriguez-maybeeee
Kiffin-YES
Richt-no
Who are your best game day coaches?
Christobol-poor
Schiano-poor
Fleck-unknown
Rhule-good against weak competition
Rodriguez-excellent
Kiffin-Good
Richt-good
Unless the administration starts thinking like this you will forever be a weak middling team playing in a big boy conference.
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What I'm saying is no matter who we hire it is going to be extremely difficult for them to succeed because of the gaping hole the last guy put us in. The talent on this team is terrible in multiple spots and depth is non-existent. Too many people in our fanbase ignore the situation and want results immediately.This will take time and if your bar is - beat OSU and Michigan or this guy sucks, then you are going to be very disappointed in the next few years.
If Kiffin and RichRod were legit candidates, I would take either of them in a heartbeat over the others.
He's a good coach. You don't get to coach in the NFL is you're just average. You don't get the admiration of guys like Urban Myer and Belicheck in you're just average. You don't put two and three star kids into the NFL if you're just average. Remember the Hurricane defenses of the late 90's? You may not want him back, but I just don't understand this talk about him being "mediocre."
I'll tell you why you would take them in a heartbeat, because you understand that it's about X's and O's Wins and Losses. Everything else really doesn't matter. The holier than thou crowd who once revered Brian Kelly needs to take a close look at Notre Dame's roster.
Yes, Miami and maybe some other schools need to choose before our situation clarifies. And I think Miami is aiming for Wednesday.
Kiffin and Rich Rod are sleezy. You can keep them. I'd rather sacrifice a few wins and be proud of the coach and team representing my alma mater.
I root for my pro teams to win above all else, no matter how they do it. For RU football, however, I'm looking at more than the AP poll.
I root for my pro teams to win above all else, no matter how they do it. For RU football, however, I'm looking at more than the AP poll.
