Gueye to UAB
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We have had some half decent news come in the past two days. UAB was competitive the past five years, but now are in a same position as us with a coaching change.Don't let it bring you down.
This staff as I feared is having trouble getting the top recruits. Success this season is soooo important for the future of this program. Luckily I think success will happen.
Disappointing but hardly surprising. It's going to take a long time to wipe away the stench of the Eddie Jordan error.
You're absolutely right. The staff should be applauded for getting the attention of top recruits but won't be able to close the sale until there are positive results on the floor.....
Recruiting losses happen and this was a Pikiell loss. He had the kid on campus with the opportunity to sell his vision. The kid selected UAB. Deal with it and move on.
You are now using the same excuse many used by blaming Jordan's recruiting loses on Mike Rice.
he hasn't even been gone a year..im pretty sure we can still blame Eddie for our recent perception as a terrible, lost team
We have to show some positive results. It's a fact.
You can do whatever you want....it's still a useless exercise, but, if it makes you feel good, Go For it. You can then go back to the Football Board and start blaming Kyle Flood for everything that goes wrong on the football field this year.
It was a recruiting battle that was lost. Same with Alvardo. Pikiell won with Geo Baker, Pikell won with Sa over Texas and he lost two.
That's how recruiting goes....win some, lose some.
Any other legit targets with legit offers? Is missing him also no big deal like Alvarado?
Why the long face?
I think Pikeill has this team keeping the score within ten points for 75% of games. Sell that to a recruit. We were very competitive, and if you come here, we win those games.
wasn't your main argument in support of jordan that rice destroyed the program?
Not only that but how bad RU MBB has been for a number of years.
Think Rice has been gone long enough not to be a minus where recruiting is concerned
but the overall ineptness since the Hill years must be considered a roadblock to recruiting and the number of years since going to the Tourney can't be a turn-on for recruits that check out Rutgers.
The Jordan years are a problem, but it's only part of why recruits say no.
Pikiell and his staff have a lot to overcome and that's why RU will lose recruits to schools like UAB instead of being in the running for recruits with most of the B1G MBB programs and have a chance to get them
You can't make up the crap that occurred since Wenzel left with our Head Coaches.
This staff has legitmate college credentials, which of course means recruiting in addition to all the other things. Our chances of landing significant, Big Ten-quality recruits has improved. If our play and competitiveness and keeping players healthy improves noticeably, that is a big boost. Surprised we are not recruiting more players from the traditional Big Ten areas - no reason Rutgers can't land athletes from Detroit, Chicago, Indianapolis, -- Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio -- who want to compete in the Big Ten. The longstanding recruiting paradigm (NY area), which has failed for more than 25 years, ignores the fact that we are a Big Ten team.
Not really, I mentioned it a few times and was Immediately shouted down as "Making Excuses" and using the "Blame Game"............ Now, people are starting to do it again. You can't have it both ways.
My main point was the lack of facilities. That's why my Signature was the Hobbs quote about the "Lack of a practice facility was a albatross around the neck of the basketball program". I had that as my signature all season long. Also....I was shouted down whenever I mentioned how Facilities impacted recruiting as well.
Pikiell is doing a good job in identifying recruits and going after them. The recruiting wins will come....the recruiting job becomes a little easier with the upcoming ground breaking and the Buzz generated by the news of the new Facility.
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It's not just Jordan. It's not just Rice. It's not just FHJ.
It's 25 YEARS of complete and utter ineptitude on the court and scandal off the court. Naked free throws and multiple lawsuits against Bannon. A brief respite and some pretty good times under GW, but then Uncle Bob went out of his way to create a scandal (Snowgate) because he wanted to grab FHJ before Seton Hall did. And then FHJ had three awful years, and yet another manufactured mini-scandal brought him down (Baseball-gate). So we bring in hothead Rice. And more scandal, this time on a nationwide horrific scale, with basketballs and biased epithets being hurled at our players, and barbs being hurled at our school and administration by the pundits. We were at laughingstock stage again. So we bring on nice, kindly legacy, Eddie Jordan, to calm things down and bring some respectability, but again more scandal with the revelation that he didn't actually graduate from Rutgers. And then he simply could not run a college basketball program to save his life. And so the 30 point and 50 point losses mounted. So long Eddie.
This program is soooo easy to recruit against, almost laughably so.
Steve Pikiell has a HUGE mountain to climb, and so it should not come as a surprise if we lose more recruiting battles than we win. Even to... the University of Alabama-Birmingham.
It's 25 YEARS of complete and utter ineptitude on the court and scandal off the court. Naked free throws and multiple lawsuits against Bannon. A brief respite and some pretty good times under GW, but then Uncle Bob went out of his way to create a scandal (Snowgate) because he wanted to grab FHJ before Seton Hall did. And then FHJ had three awful years, and yet another manufactured mini-scandal brought him down (Baseball-gate). So we bring in hothead Rice. And more scandal, this time on a nationwide horrific scale, with basketballs and biased epithets being hurled at our players, and barbs being hurled at our school and administration by the pundits. We were at laughingstock stage again. So we bring on nice, kindly legacy, Eddie Jordan, to calm things down and bring some respectability, but again more scandal with the revelation that he didn't actually graduate from Rutgers. And then he simply could not run a college basketball program to save his life. And so the 30 point and 50 point losses mounted. So long Eddie.
This program is soooo easy to recruit against, almost laughably so.
Steve Pikiell has a HUGE mountain to climb, and so it should not come as a surprise if we lose more recruiting battles than we win. Even to... the University of Alabama-Birmingham.
you can also blame the lack of fans. playing in front of 4,000 not a great selling point.
You had me until the last part. This is a different RU. This staff will not be out-worked and is already establishing relationship with players that are more important than wins and losses at this point. We have won recruiting battles already (notably Sa, Thiam and Geo) so don't worry about the ones that got away. We have already gotten more of the top players in the country on campus under this staff then we did under all of the prior coaches. Focus on the positive - and there is a ton of positive. We are breaking ground on a practice facility in just over a week. We have a full and relatively roster heading into the season. And we have one of the top teaching staffs in the country. Things are about to get better for RU bball in a hurry.
I know RU worked hard on this kid and he has Power 5 conference potential, but I think UAB was way ahead from the beginning and they won out. We have one more spot still left and this miss is more of an impact than losing Alvarado.....Alvarado is very small/slight and will be a very good guard in the ACC once he develops, but he is going to surrender more points defensively than he gives up. His moxie was his best asset as a potential QB of an offense.....he could be a liability that is tough to play significant minutes at his size for his career.
Gueye was a lengthy potential two way defensive and offensive player and really could've complimented Thiam on the wing/front court....Both are not true "Power forwards" that can bang on the glass, but have length you cannot teach. Thiam can shoot and get points in a hurry, fortunately he stuck with RU and Shoes specifically.
It remains to be seen whether RU landing all of their targets is the best way to review this, we aren't exactly working from a point of strength. As a couple of posters above mentioned, we landed Sa, Thiam, Baker and I think they are all starting caliber players. The staff also found a gem in Eugene as well, who can help on both ends of the court.
I don't think the staff needs to panic at all, if we didn't land Eugene, Sa and didn't retain Shoes, Thiam may be in South Orange or another Power 5 conference raining threes on people in a year or two and things would be really, really bad...... It's not going to all go RU's way and the staff needs to lay low and see what other options are there. Things always develop with recent recruits from 2015 and 2016, that don't play much in their first semester or year elsewhere and may look to transfer for an opportunity where they can fit and play in a major conference. We would be sunk without capturing a Nigel Johnson off a rebound from Kansas State.
I will be hosting the Podcast on AM920 The Jersey on Tuesday from 6PM to 7PM....we are planning to have a packed show to talk obviously the Minnesota football recap, but we have an interesting and well informed guest call-in to talk about RU hoops and how positive we all should be for RU's chances going forward, based on the assistant coaches we have on Pikiell's staff....
Brandin Knight, Karl Hobbs and Jay Young are all excellent coaches and it adds three layers of depth, RU hasn't had ever....The assistants add a lot of value and head coaching experience that can help with in game adjustments, scouting and player development....it doesn't mean we are going to the NCAA's in the next year or so, we still need more talent and learn how to win.....BUT we also should see some of the lack of defense go away and this team has some pieces to build upon.
Tune in to get some details on this breakdown and a couple of tidbits as well.
Gueye was a lengthy potential two way defensive and offensive player and really could've complimented Thiam on the wing/front court....Both are not true "Power forwards" that can bang on the glass, but have length you cannot teach. Thiam can shoot and get points in a hurry, fortunately he stuck with RU and Shoes specifically.
It remains to be seen whether RU landing all of their targets is the best way to review this, we aren't exactly working from a point of strength. As a couple of posters above mentioned, we landed Sa, Thiam, Baker and I think they are all starting caliber players. The staff also found a gem in Eugene as well, who can help on both ends of the court.
I don't think the staff needs to panic at all, if we didn't land Eugene, Sa and didn't retain Shoes, Thiam may be in South Orange or another Power 5 conference raining threes on people in a year or two and things would be really, really bad...... It's not going to all go RU's way and the staff needs to lay low and see what other options are there. Things always develop with recent recruits from 2015 and 2016, that don't play much in their first semester or year elsewhere and may look to transfer for an opportunity where they can fit and play in a major conference. We would be sunk without capturing a Nigel Johnson off a rebound from Kansas State.
I will be hosting the Podcast on AM920 The Jersey on Tuesday from 6PM to 7PM....we are planning to have a packed show to talk obviously the Minnesota football recap, but we have an interesting and well informed guest call-in to talk about RU hoops and how positive we all should be for RU's chances going forward, based on the assistant coaches we have on Pikiell's staff....
Brandin Knight, Karl Hobbs and Jay Young are all excellent coaches and it adds three layers of depth, RU hasn't had ever....The assistants add a lot of value and head coaching experience that can help with in game adjustments, scouting and player development....it doesn't mean we are going to the NCAA's in the next year or so, we still need more talent and learn how to win.....BUT we also should see some of the lack of defense go away and this team has some pieces to build upon.
Tune in to get some details on this breakdown and a couple of tidbits as well.
yes lots to credit kyle for regarding football. same with eddie and basketball. getting his players prepared enough to play hard for half a practice and then fall to the floor gasping for air. fwiw I was a big eddie fan and I still like him for what he did here...just a bad bad college coach who had a lot of bad injury luck (that may be attributable to how little he focused on good S+C)
Overcoming decades of futility has proven to be the albatross for previous coaching staff in regard to recruiting. Pikiell must show marked improvement in player development that translates into more competitive games and ultimately a winning program.How long that will take is the unknown ?In the interim recruiting will continue to be a uphill battle.
yup, you can blame the lack of fans but not the fans. Team has been unwatchable for years and 75% of games since GW left and the place was still RAC-like.
@Local Shill Here's the thing......You can't say, "Good Job" by Pikiell and staff when Geo Baker or Candido Sa or Thiam commit to or sign with Rutgers and then turn around and blame previous Coaching staffs when you lose a recruiting battle.
I guess you can say anything you want but does it make sense ? If you know the specific details on why he selected UAB over Rutgers, we would love to hear them !!!
I guess you can say anything you want but does it make sense ? If you know the specific details on why he selected UAB over Rutgers, we would love to hear them !!!
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Very cryptic ....if you have a point, just make it. Certainly you are not so lazy that you cannot type out a complete comment.....lol
There is no way to sugar coat the loss of this kid or Alvarado. It hurts as both players were capable of increasing the talent level on this team.
That said, the coaching staff is good. They are hard working. The key to better recruiting is how well we play this season. I do not expect a substantial change in the win/loss record. My prediction is 12 wins. I do believe it will be a better overall product on the court. Although we have a significant lack of talent compared to most teams in the conference, better coaching will result in a team that at least looks like a reasonable D1 program. While there may still be a blowout or two, that will not be the norm. We will be more competitive even if it does not result in a solid win total.
To me, that is the only way that we can obtain commitments from more talented recruits. People may still be underestimating how bad the Rutgers brand is. For example, Van Macon had an extremely difficult time recruiting at Rutgers. He heads out to the University of St. Louis and is the primary reason that school just landed Hassan French, who is a very good recruit. The level of recruit we tried to get involved with, but he was not interested.
Between the awful history, the awful facilities, and the lack of any commitment to the program, this staff is fighting with two hands tied behind their back. While it is nice that the faciities will improve in two years or so, that is irrelevant to the Class of 2017 and 2018. Plans on paper and decorative shovels in the ground will not cut it. The one thing that will make a difference is this staff's ability to impress kids and the AAU and high school coaches that RU can develop players and compete. That is at least possible, somewhat realistic, and can start next month. If that transpires we will have a chance to win these type of recruiting battles.
I do believe Thiam is going to eventually be a very good college player. We worked hard and secured his commitment. Sa might also turn into a solid player. So the staff has won some battles. We just have so much to overcome, that it will continue to be difficult short term.
That said, the coaching staff is good. They are hard working. The key to better recruiting is how well we play this season. I do not expect a substantial change in the win/loss record. My prediction is 12 wins. I do believe it will be a better overall product on the court. Although we have a significant lack of talent compared to most teams in the conference, better coaching will result in a team that at least looks like a reasonable D1 program. While there may still be a blowout or two, that will not be the norm. We will be more competitive even if it does not result in a solid win total.
To me, that is the only way that we can obtain commitments from more talented recruits. People may still be underestimating how bad the Rutgers brand is. For example, Van Macon had an extremely difficult time recruiting at Rutgers. He heads out to the University of St. Louis and is the primary reason that school just landed Hassan French, who is a very good recruit. The level of recruit we tried to get involved with, but he was not interested.
Between the awful history, the awful facilities, and the lack of any commitment to the program, this staff is fighting with two hands tied behind their back. While it is nice that the faciities will improve in two years or so, that is irrelevant to the Class of 2017 and 2018. Plans on paper and decorative shovels in the ground will not cut it. The one thing that will make a difference is this staff's ability to impress kids and the AAU and high school coaches that RU can develop players and compete. That is at least possible, somewhat realistic, and can start next month. If that transpires we will have a chance to win these type of recruiting battles.
I do believe Thiam is going to eventually be a very good college player. We worked hard and secured his commitment. Sa might also turn into a solid player. So the staff has won some battles. We just have so much to overcome, that it will continue to be difficult short term.
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