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Some of you may not like to hear it, but this is just honest talk. Despite the brilliance of our faculty, the importance of our impressive research breakthroughs, and the many talents of our students outside of athletics, there are no other activities at the university that can summon tens of thousands of people together in person to support Rutgers, not to mention the millions more who will follow us on television or online. What deepens my support for athletics at Rutgers is that we have coaches who are strongly committed to integrity and to seeing their players graduate. I take great pride in the fact that we have one of the top-performing athletic programs in the country in terms of academic performance. I hope you share in that pride.
 
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Despite a lot of covidiocy on his part, he’s no idiot. He sees SO MUCH money coming RUs way as a result of the B1G, any other stance would/should be grounds for immediate dismissal.
 
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West Point Knight said:
Despite a lot of covidiocy on his part, he’s no idiot. He sees SO MUCH money coming RUs way as a result of the B1G, any other stance would/should be grounds for immediate dismissal.
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It’s not like these are ground breaking comments. He support athletics. What university president doesn’t? The fawning over this guys prepared statements ( which are probably written by someone on his staff) is nauseating. I’m just glad he didn’t support changing the name of Rutgers. That was a courageous stance ;)
 
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RUaMoose said:
It’s not like these are ground breaking comments. He support athletics. What university president doesn’t? The fawning over this guys prepared statements ( which are probably written by someone on his staff) is nauseating. I’m just glad he didn’t support changing the name of Rutgers. That was a courageous stance ;)
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Dumb post. The point is that at Rutgers we have not had a president make a clear statement like this in support of athletics in a long time or ever.
 
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RUaMoose said:
It’s not like these are ground breaking comments. He support athletics. What university president doesn’t? The fawning over this guys prepared statements ( which are probably written by someone on his staff) is nauseating. I’m just glad he didn’t support changing the name of Rutgers. That was a courageous stance ;)
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Oh I don't know, how about the last 2 Rutgers president's for a start. Agree with RU Pete that this was a dumb post but not surprising seeing your history.
 
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RUPete said:
Dumb post. The point is that at Rutgers we have not had a president make a clear statement like this in support of athletics in a long time or ever.
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We’ll that just shows how far Rutgers is behind other big state universities that these comments have to be made. That was my point
 
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West Point Knight said:
Despite a lot of covidiocy on his part, he’s no idiot. He sees SO MUCH money coming RUs way as a result of the B1G, any other stance would/should be grounds for immediate dismissal.
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You do realize he has several constituencies and factions to balance in managing the pandemic response? Namely, faculty, staff, students, the BOG and State politicians. The decisions and policies are not his alone.


In typical fashion, Politi/NJ.com ran with this sensationalist headline:


Rutgers president: Athletics ‘highly unlikely’ to ever break even financially​


The APP.COM (Gannet) followed:
Rutgers athletics may never break even, Halloway says
Yes- "Halloway"--Hallowed be thy name?



RUaMoose said:
It’s not like these are ground breaking comments. He support athletics. What university president doesn’t? The fawning over this guys prepared statements ( which are probably written by someone on his staff) is nauseating. I’m just glad he didn’t support changing the name of Rutgers. That was a courageous stance ;)
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You are off base here. Have seen him at athletics events regularly and speak on this topic. He believes and preaches it.
 
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Someone said he made the speech the day the news broke on the possibility of the B1G receiving $1 Billion/year in media revenue in a bidding war. Is athletics budget neutrality a possibility under the new media rights deal?

Here are a portion of Pres. Holloway's remarks:

"Only 2 percent of major college athletics programs run in the black, and not many more than that break even. The better way to think about athletics is that it represents a commitment by the university that helps tell a compelling story about this institution—one that will inspire applicants, alumni, and friends to learn more about we have to offer as a university in 2022. In this regard, the story-telling capability of athletics far outstrips any other thing that we do at Rutgers. Some of you may not like to hear it, but this is just honest talk. Despite the brilliance of our faculty, the importance of our impressive research breakthroughs, and the many talents of our students outside of athletics, there are no other activities at the university that can summon tens of thousands of people together in person to support Rutgers, not to mention the millions more who will follow us on television or online."
 
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We’ll that just shows how far Rutgers is behind other big state universities that these comments have to be made. That was my point
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Fair enough, but I still think it’s good to read these comments given what we have been dealing with from the President’s office in the past.
 
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I'm glad that we finally have a president who recognizes the worth of athletics.

Forgive the obvious comment, but having athletics helps us in the minds of the general public only if the most prominent teams are good, and if the programs are run with integrity. Lousy performances are not going to help us, and neither would the perception that we are cutting ethical corners. Doing both at once isn't easy. But I have faith in Schiano. He emphasizes to his players the need to succeed in the classroom and to be good representatives of the school. I know much less about Pikiell, but I think this is true of him too.

Being in the Big Ten is very valuable; kudos again to everyone who helped bring that about. It's great to be in a conference with academic peers -- it makes us look better. It's also great to be in a conference that generates a lot of money for its member schools, including us. Again, I'm glad we have a president who recognizes that.
 
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Knight Shift said:
Someone said he made the speech the day the news broke on the possibility of the B1G receiving $1 Billion/year in media revenue in a bidding war. Is athletics budget neutrality a possibility under the new media rights deal?

Here are a portion of Pres. Holloway's remarks:

"Only 2 percent of major college athletics programs run in the black, and not many more than that break even. The better way to think about athletics is that it represents a commitment by the university that helps tell a compelling story about this institution—one that will inspire applicants, alumni, and friends to learn more about we have to offer as a university in 2022. In this regard, the story-telling capability of athletics far outstrips any other thing that we do at Rutgers. Some of you may not like to hear it, but this is just honest talk. Despite the brilliance of our faculty, the importance of our impressive research breakthroughs, and the many talents of our students outside of athletics, there are no other activities at the university that can summon tens of thousands of people together in person to support Rutgers, not to mention the millions more who will follow us on television or online."
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Thank you Mr Knight for posting that factual info: Smart Pres? Honesty is always the best policy. Of course when the next B1G contract comes out we may be "self reliant".
 
letitrip2 said:
Thank you Mr Knight for posting that factual info: Smart Pres? Honesty is always the best policy. Of course when the next B1G contract comes out we may be "self reliant".
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It's interesting that he didn't say, "we might be revenue neutral soon." Instead he's saying, "we're going to run a 'deficit' in the same sense we run a deficit for, say, the English department. We're going to do that because we think having an intercollegiate athletics program is good for Rutgers just as having a good English department is good for Rutgers." As I say above, I agree. . . but it's good for us only if the teams are good and only if the program is run with integrity. The last things we need are to be a doormat or to be perceived as dishonest.
 
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HeavenUniv. said:
Attention Rutgers 1000, actually 74
Repeat after me
One BILLION Dollars !!!
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The "organization," such as it was, doesn't even claim to exist any more, and Professor Dowling retired several years ago. He really was an excellent scholar, but being an excellent scholar is not necessarily a guarantee of wisdom. Being a faculty member for over thirty years certainly taught me that.
 
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camdenlawprof said:
I'm glad that we finally have a president who recognizes the worth of athletics.
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I thought McCormick did?

He worked pretty well with Mulcahy to boost football and bring in Schiano and facilitate growth in following years. It wasn't until the 2008 media ambush on Schiano that McCormick went wobbly and threw Mulcahy under the bus
 
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RUPete said:
Damn, he went for the mic drop on that one. Glad he said it. I can tell you right now, I would not be as connected as I am to Rutgers today if it wasn't for athletics. Not even close.
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Same. I would never give a penny to the academic side
 
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Attention Rutgers 1000, actually 74
Repeat after me
One BILLION Dollars !!!
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ashokan said:
I thought McCormick did?

He worked pretty well with Mulcahy to boost football and bring in Schiano and facilitate growth in following years. It wasn't until the 2008 media ambush on Schiano that McCormick went wobbly and threw Mulcahy under the bus
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He deserves some credit, and so does Bloustein -- without Bloustein, we' might still be playing in the MIddle Three against Lafayette and Lehigh. But Holloway is the first to recognize that intercollegiate sports need not be revenue neutral, but rather that participation helps Rutgers.
 
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The "organization," such as it was, doesn't even claim to exist any more, and Professor Dowling retired several years ago. He really was an excellent scholar, but being an excellent scholar is not necessarily a guarantee of wisdom. Being a faculty member for over thirty years certainly taught me that.
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Dowling had some good points and he was right. One of his major arguments is let’s take a fictional kid called “Joe Smith” from piscataway high school . Smith is a great high school football player , but a lousy student. He slides by at PHS academically and gets offered a scholarship to play football at rutgers . While at rutgers , smith is really into football . Most of his time is spent training , lifting, practicing , film study . Academically, smith does the minimum to stay eligible. Meets with his academic advisors , goes to the required study halls and gets steered to the easier classes with professors that are “sympathetic” and are football fans.
Smith is still the same lousy student that he was a piscataway high and never would have got admitted to rutgers without football . He didn’t exactly transform into a great student at rutgers - but he has now graduated from rutgers - it doesn’t say much about the level of education rutgers offers or the education he received here.
 
Good speech by Holloway . It’s sad that it even need to be stated , but it’s good he did . It beats barchi bragging about paying flood among the lowest in the BIG ten
Where are all the current events guys?
 
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You do realize he has several constituencies and factions to balance in managing the pandemic response? Namely, faculty, staff, students, the BOG and State politicians. The decisions and policies are not his alone.


In typical fashion, Politi/NJ.com ran with this sensationalist headline:


Rutgers president: Athletics ‘highly unlikely’ to ever break even financially​


The APP.COM (Gannet) followed:
Rutgers athletics may never break even, Halloway says
Yes- "Halloway"--Hallowed be thy name?





You are off base here. Have seen him at athletics events regularly and speak on this topic. He believes and preaches it.
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It's a paywall article so can't read it but I did see this headline this morning from Politi.

Finally, Rutgers has a president who is a proud advocate for college sports | Politi​

 
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Dowling had some good points and he was right. One of his major arguments is let’s take a fictional kid called “Joe Smith” from piscataway high school . Smith is a great high school football player , but a lousy student. He slides by at PHS academically and gets offered a scholarship to play football at rutgers . While at rutgers , smith is really into football . Most of his time is spent training , lifting, practicing , film study . Academically, smith does the minimum to stay eligible. Meets with his academic advisors , goes to the required study halls and gets steered to the easier classes with professors that are “sympathetic” and are football fans.
Smith is still the same lousy student that he was a piscataway high and never would have got admitted to rutgers without football . He didn’t exactly transform into a great student at rutgers - but he has now graduated from rutgers - it doesn’t say much about the level of education rutgers offers or the education he received here.
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Greg Schiano has worked *really* hard to improve the academic assistance available to student athletes, has been tireless in telling his players that they need to prepare for a life without football, and makes sure his players don't shirk their classwork. Yes, there are some easy classes at Rutgers, but not enough to get your "Joe Smith" through the school. There isn't a basket-weaving or "football theory" type major and, as you well know, a student has to complete a major to graduate.
 
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It's interesting that he didn't say, "we might be revenue neutral soon." Instead he's saying, "we're going to run a 'deficit' in the same sense we run a deficit for, say, the English department. We're going to do that because we think having an intercollegiate athletics program is good for Rutgers just as having a good English department is good for Rutgers." As I say above, I agree. . . but it's good for us only if the teams are good and only if the program is run with integrity. The last things we need are to be a doormat or to be perceived as dishonest.
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he may also not have said it because perhaps down the road a good deal of the B1G $ could go to the academic side and not 100% athletics.
 
Plum Street said:
Dowling had some good points and he was right. One of his major arguments is let’s take a fictional kid called “Joe Smith” from piscataway high school . Smith is a great high school football player , but a lousy student. He slides by at PHS academically and gets offered a scholarship to play football at rutgers . While at rutgers , smith is really into football . Most of his time is spent training , lifting, practicing , film study . Academically, smith does the minimum to stay eligible. Meets with his academic advisors , goes to the required study halls and gets steered to the easier classes with professors that are “sympathetic” and are football fans.
Smith is still the same lousy student that he was a piscataway high and never would have got admitted to rutgers without football . He didn’t exactly transform into a great student at rutgers - but he has now graduated from rutgers - it doesn’t say much about the level of education rutgers offers or the education he received here.
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At the University of No Classes, some SEC schools, Oklahoma, etc. , he wouldn’t have even been exposed to a college class, tutoring, the library , etc. If a student-athlete doesn’t take advantage of all that is offered to them academically, that is their fault and their parents.
 
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Greg Schiano has worked *really* hard to improve the academic assistance available to student athletes, has been tireless in telling his players that they need to prepare for a life without football, and makes sure his players don't shirk their classwork. Yes, there are some easy classes at Rutgers, but not enough to get your "Joe Smith" through the school. There isn't a basket-weaving or "football theory" type major and, as you well know, a student has to complete a major to graduate.
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I think schiano actually cares more than a lot of other coaches . Of course he wants these guys to succeed in life and graduate . That’s also a recruiting pitch . Some guys go for it, some don’t. But we all understand schiano is gonna be judged by the games and not the grades. Schiano would be the first to tell you that.
 
Plum Street said:
I think schiano actually cares than a lot of other coaches . Of course he wants these guys to succeed in life and graduate . That’s also a recruiting pitch . Some guys go for it, some don’t. But we all understand schiano is gonna be judged by the games and not the grades.
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Fortunately, not this year. So proud that we got to our bowl game this year!!!
 
HeavenUniv. said:
At the University of No Classes, some SEC schools, Oklahoma, etc. , he wouldn’t have even been exposed to a college class, tutoring, the library , etc. If a student-athlete doesn’t take advantage of all that is offered to them academically, that is their fault and their parents.
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Obviously , we would trade off for their basketball success under Roy Williams
 
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