How does going 1-1 in the Big Ten Tournament matter?

[NickRU714]

Assuming we are playing in the 1st round (9-15 seeds), does beating an at- best fellow bubble team followed by another loss to a tournament team really move the needle much?

Even if we get a bye, wouldn't we just be beating the same bubble at beat team (9-15 team) then losing for a solid tournament team.

When people say "and 1-1 in the Big Ten Tournament" what are you imagining and how does it help?

Seems only 2-3 wins (followed with another loss) in the conference tournament does anything?

Calling the resume specialists.

 

[bac2therac]

Assuming we are playing in the 1st round (9-15 seeds), does beating an at- best fellow bubble team followed by another loss to a tournament team really move the needle much?

Even if we get a bye, wouldn't we just be beating the same bubble at beat team (9-15 team) then losing for a solid tournament team.

When people say "and 1-1 in the Big Ten Tournament" what are you imagining and how does it help?

Seems only 2-3 wins (followed with another loss) in the conference tournament does anything?

Calling the resume specialists.

it doesnt....at all

conference tourneys dont matter and being a 10 seed and beating 15 seed Indiana impresses no one

committee has already selected before tourney play...a trip to the final might get an extra look but we have receipts the past few years, it does not change anything

 

[NickRU714]

it doesnt....at all

conference tourneys dont matter and being a 10 seed and beating 15 seed Indiana impresses no one

committee has already selected before tourney play...a trip to the final might get an extra look but we have receipts the past few years, it does not change anything

I almost tagged you in the OP to get your insight haha

 

[fluoxetine]

Assuming we are playing in the 1st round (9-15 seeds), does beating an at- best fellow bubble team followed by another loss to a tournament team really move the needle much?

Even if we get a bye, wouldn't we just be beating the same bubble at beat team (9-15 team) then losing for a solid tournament team.

When people say "and 1-1 in the Big Ten Tournament" what are you imagining and how does it help?

Well it helps more than being 0-1 right?

Seems only 2-3 wins (followed with another loss) in the conference tournament does anything?

0-1 bad
1-1 neutral
2-1 or better good

is generally how I would see it

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Well it helps more than being 0-1 right?

0-1 bad
1-1 neutral
2-1 or better good

is generally how I would see it

Sure - if your actually in the bubble discussion going into the tournament. At this point, finishing 9th or worse with losses to Princeton and Kennesaw with no good OOC would basically mean we’d be playing for the auto-bid or NIT.

 

[fluoxetine]

Sure - if your actually in the bubble discussion going into the tournament. At this point, finishing 9th or worse with losses to Princeton and Kennesaw with no good OOC would basically mean we’d be playing for the auto-bid or NIT.

Yes I interpreted at as a general question.

 

[goru7]

Assuming we are playing in the 1st round (9-15 seeds), does beating an at- best fellow bubble team followed by another loss to a tournament team really move the needle much?

Even if we get a bye, wouldn't we just be beating the same bubble at beat team (9-15 team) then losing for a solid tournament team.

When people say "and 1-1 in the Big Ten Tournament" what are you imagining and how does it help?

Seems only 2-3 wins (followed with another loss) in the conference tournament does anything?

Calling the resume specialists.

BAC will tell you that over the last 2-3 years , the committee has given almost no weight to conference tourney games. A few years ago Texas A& M won 4 games and then lost the 5th game in the final and were left out of the tourney.
The committee seems to evaluate 99% of your resume before the tourney begins .

 

[bac2therac]

Sure - if your actually in the bubble discussion going into the tournament. At this point, finishing 9th or worse with losses to Princeton and Kennesaw with no good OOC would basically mean we’d be playing for the auto-bid or NIT.

This

 

[bac2therac]

BAC will tell you that over the last 2-3 years , the committee has given almost no weight to conference tourney games. A few years ago Texas A& M won 4 games and then lost the 5th game in the final and were left out of the tourney.
The committee seems to evaluate 99% of your resume before the tourney begins .

And look at what happened tp Providence last year.

 

[Pdabs]

However… ratings matter…. If Rutgers is a borderline team… this year they will be in the tourney. People will want to see Harper and Bailey.
Having them in the NIT not as cool.

 

[Scangg]

If the B1G tournament mattered we would have made the dance 2 years ago

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Well it helps more than being 0-1 right?

0-1 bad
1-1 neutral
2-1 or better good

is generally how I would see it

if we don't get better
0-1 bad
1-1 bad
2-1 bad
3-1 bad
4-1 bad
5-0 good

 

[fluoxetine]

if we don't get better
0-1 bad
1-1 bad
2-1 bad
3-1 bad
4-1 bad
5-0 good

Harsh but fair.

 

[Mr Magoo]

However… ratings matter…. If Rutgers is a borderline team… this year they will be in the tourney. People will want to see Harper and Bailey.
Having them in the NIT not as cool.

We shouldn’t even be mentioning the NIT. Don’t know if Pike would accept a bid and doubt Harper and Ace would even play (can you imagine this team without them?). That, and the fact that that barely any fans would care, and the NIT is moot. Right now, it’s our probably 15% chance at the tourney or bust.

 

[zappaa]

However… ratings matter…. If Rutgers is a borderline team… this year they will be in the tourney. People will want to see Harper and Bailey.
Having them in the NIT not as cool.

I’d be willing to bet the selection committee won’t even give it a thought.
How does a first round game on TruTV have such an influence?

 

[Plum Street]

it doesnt....at all

conference tourneys dont matter and being a 10 seed and beating 15 seed Indiana impresses no one

committee has already selected before tourney play...a trip to the final might get an extra look but we have receipts the past few years, it does not change anything

Yes all true . This committee has done exactly as what you say .
But one of these years I have a feeling they will use the a conference tourney run as a reason to put a team in like a blue blood that is on the bubble . They can make up and pick and choose criteria as they want .
They will just say it’s a case by case or year by year basis etc bs

 

[FAT MOON]

If the B1G tournament mattered we would have made the dance 2 years ago

Agree...kinda.

I think it matters if the committee wants it to matter. I'm convinced they didn't want us to put us as last four in, one year after we were last four in. So they said the win in the B1G didn't matter. But it has in the past...I mean damn near every bracketologist out there was saying we were in after winning that game.

So I do think it will matter this year. Because we will certainly be getting the benefit of the doubt with Dylan and Ace when it comes to dancing. For this year anyway, Rutgers being in the dance is a good thing for storylines/eyeballs/TV ratings.

Problem is thus far we aren't anywhere close to that "benefit of the doubt" region.

 

[Salvi's Headband]

I was sure that beating Michigan in the first round two years ago punched our ticket, as we were really on the absolute cusp. Silly me. Meant nothing.

 

[nutfromSEC117]

The one thing 3 wins or 2 wins and losing by 1 in big ten tourney would show is that Dylan and Ace have improved and could make some noise if they get a chance to dance

 

[Ridge 22]

I think Pike can get us to the tournament (NIT) if everything breaks right. And maybe even win a game or two. Next year may be a little rough, but at least the payoff is worth it. Special seasons like this only come around so often. Gotta capitalize when you can!!

 

[fluoxetine]

I think Pike can get us to the tournament (NIT) if everything breaks right. And maybe even win a game or two. Next year may be a little rough, but at least the payoff is worth it. Special seasons like this only come around so often. Gotta capitalize when you can!!

Post something with some content besides “we suck, Pike sucks” or go away imo. It’s a discussion board, not a “spam my same opinion over and over” board and you’re adding nothing. We get it: you think Pike sucks. Noted.

 

[Ridge 22]

Post something with some content besides “we suck, Pike sucks” or go away imo. It’s a discussion board, not a “spam my same opinion over and over” board and you’re adding nothing. We get it: you think Pike sucks. Noted.

I don't think he sucks. I think he is mediocre. I just don't celebrate that. And I have provided plenty of specifics to support my point. You are simply too dense to follow. Not my problem

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

The difference between making the NCAAs and not making the NIT could literally be 2 possessions (2 games). So anyone until the month of March who says we can't make the NCAA, but maybe NIT doesn't really understand how things work.

19-12 could be enough for NCAAs
17-14 might leave us out of NIT

 

[bac2therac]

Yes all true . This committee has done exactly as what you say .
But one of these years I have a feeling they will use the a conference tourney run as a reason to put a team in like a blue blood that is on the bubble . They can make up and pick and choose criteria as they want .
They will just say it’s a case by case or year by year basis etc bs

no...it use to matter and now it doesnt

 

[bac2therac]

I was sure that beating Michigan in the first round two years ago punched our ticket, as we were really on the absolute cusp. Silly me. Meant nothing.

and also passed the eye test in a close loss to Purdue in the quarters...even if RU beat Purdue they probably were not getting in

 

[Plum Street]

no...it use to matter and now it doesnt

Well now it doesn’t …until they say it does

 

[bac2therac]

Well now it doesn’t …until they say it does

No i will be because they were already in on Wednesday

 

[RUGiddy777]

and also passed the eye test in a close loss to Purdue in the quarters...even if RU beat Purdue they probably were not getting in

Those losses to NW at home and a really bad Minnesota down the stretch were killers.

 

[RutgersChow]

Assuming we are playing in the 1st round (9-15 seeds), does beating an at- best fellow bubble team followed by another loss to a tournament team really move the needle much?

Even if we get a bye, wouldn't we just be beating the same bubble at beat team (9-15 team) then losing for a solid tournament team.

When people say "and 1-1 in the Big Ten Tournament" what are you imagining and how does it help?

Seems only 2-3 wins (followed with another loss) in the conference tournament does anything?

Calling the resume specialists.

It matters if we have 19 wins going in, 18 maybe, 17, it doesn't matter.

 

[bac2therac]

Those losses to NW at home and a really bad Minnesota down the stretch were killers.

Minnesota likely kept them out

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Over the years the committee has changed criteria......my question is was most of that preannounced or did you find out after bids announced.

Example...Last 10 games...that used to be a thing
Example...didn't conference tournaments mean a little more in the past

Is there anything to read in to the committee putting WAB on the team sheets?

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Over the years the committee has changed criteria......my question is was most of that preannounced or did you find out after bids announced.

Example...Last 10 games...that used to be a thing
Example...didn't conference tournaments mean a little more in the past

Is there anything to read in to the committee putting WAB on the team sheets?

I don’t think so. My feeling is there’s a certain (silent) minimum level in certain metrics that a team must attain to be in the At Large conversation and if any of those minimums is not met it becomes an uphill battle. I think WAB has perhaps been added as one more of those.

For example, 15 loss teams almost never make the tournament. I think when the count gets to 14 there’s slepticism and then if it’s at 15 the argument for inclusion has to move mountains. At least that’s what history says. Having a NET over 80 another one. Having no wins away from home. Now maybe not having a negative WAB gets added there. Having a couple wins over tournament teams.

Once these minimum standards are met, most teams are weeded out and then from there you have a pool where they probably do look at the comprehensive resume picture side by side. Thats just my guess. Occasionally someone might pull a team that missed on one or two metrics into the discussion and advocate a case. The point is - I don’t think it would ever be - this team has a high WAB so they are in or seeded better than another team. It would think it would be more about not having that negative mark if that makes sense.

 

[bac2therac]

Over the years the committee has changed criteria......my question is was most of that preannounced or did you find out after bids announced.

Example...Last 10 games...that used to be a thing
Example...didn't conference tournaments mean a little more in the past

Is there anything to read in to the committee putting WAB on the team sheets?

Its like kenpom that appears..its something to consider...and i dont think kenpom matters

I do think SOR strength of record matters

I dont see them going down the WAB list. I see it as a check

 

[fluoxetine]

Its like kenpom that appears..its something to consider...and i dont think kenpom matters

I do think SOR strength of record matters

I dont see them going down the WAB list. I see it as a check

SOR and WAB are very similar metrics. Like different twists on the same thing almost. Kind of like Bart vs Kenpom.

 

[RAC93]

The conference tourney is meaningless unless you win the whole thing. You better have secured your resume and your bid prior to a conference tourney. If you have not you are out of the tourney.

 

[Fighter of the Nightman]

it doesnt....at all

conference tourneys dont matter and being a 10 seed and beating 15 seed Indiana impresses no one

committee has already selected before tourney play...a trip to the final might get an extra look but we have receipts the past few years, it does not change anything

I don’t think that’s true at all, JMO. While it’s common knowledge the BTT final cannot improve your seed, I don’t think Illinois gets a #3 seed last year without making it to the BTT final and beating decent Nebraska and OSU teams on the way.

However, I think your BTT performance can only knock you up or down a very small amount. If Team A is projected as the worst #3 seed and Team B is projected as the best #4 seed heading into their conference tournaments, I think drastically different performances can absolutely allow them to flip. I bet the Committee has a few “placeholder flips” for situations like that.

 

[bac2therac]

I don’t think that’s true at all, JMO. While it’s common knowledge the BTT final cannot improve your seed, I don’t think Illinois gets a #3 seed last year without making it to the BTT final and beating decent Nebraska and OSU teams on the way.

However, I think your BTT performance can only knock you up or down a very small amount. If Team A is projected as the worst #3 seed and Team B is projected as the best #4 seed heading into their conference tournaments, I think drastically different performances can absolutely allow them to flip. I bet the Committee has a few “placeholder flips” for situations like that.

seeding slight movements..not large yes, selections are already done before the weekend

 

[dpwhite]

I think conference tournaments are about seeding unless you are a bubble team that makes a huge run (i.e. to the finals)