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Howard out at Michigan

If I am Michigan , I would go for a home run hire and target Jalen rose and rumeal Robinson :).
 
They lost two to the NBA plus Dickinson. I highly doubt this had to do primarily with one last place season,
 
Don't forget Chris Mullin.
Guys he didn’t fail . He had too many things off the court swirling around him and a terrible season was a good reason to make all those problems go away.

In 5 years!
3 NCAAtournament elite 8 and sweet 16
NIT berth
Big ten champions
NBA players
All American

Off court got him and right fully so
 
Huh?
He went to the NCAA tourney 2 out of 4 years.
Won the Big Ten one year.

If that's a failure, then you shouldn't read any of the defenses of Pike posts.

Missing the tournament 2 years in a row isn't a failure.

Guys he didn’t fail . He had too many things off the court swirling around him and a terrible season was a good reason to make all those problems go away.

In 5 years!
3 NCAAtournament elite 8 and sweet 16
NIT berth
Big ten champions
NBA players
All American

Off court got him and right fully so
Come on guys. It's all about the situation. He took over a great program and ran it into the ground

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Come on guys. It's all about the situation. He took over a great program and ran it into the ground

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Yes . He was fired for on the court more than off the court.
But I think if he didn’t have the off court stuff he would have gotten another season
 
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Come on guys. It's all about the situation. He took over a great program and ran it into the ground

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Ewing , Mullin ok Failed!

The team he inherited 3 players went to the NBA and 3 left via the portal. He was 2 points away from the final four.

Howard had a bad season after losing an all American in the portal and two NBA Players. I thing the AD made the right call. NCAA Tournament to NIT to losing record (plus off court issues ). Had to go.

Not a failure IMO.
 
Come on guys. It's all about the situation. He took over a great program and ran it into the ground

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Missing the tournament 2 years in a row isn't a failure. Even the best teams miss the tournament 2 years in a row.
Trending down over the course of 4 years isn't a failure.

At least that's what a bunch of other threadshaver said.

Just trying to apply the same standards across coaches.
Woodson and Howard have been better than us every year of their time at Indiana and Michigan (except UM this year).
People call them huge failures.
But wouldn't we easily switch positions the last 4 years?
 
Missing the tournament 2 years in a row isn't a failure. Even the best teams miss the tournament 2 years in a row.
Trending down over the course of 4 years isn't a failure.

At least that's what a bunch of other threadshaver said.

Just trying to apply the same standards across coaches.
Woodson and Howard have been better than us every year of their time at Indiana and Michigan (except UM this year).
People call them huge failures.
But wouldn't we easily switch positions the last 4 years?
100% of Michigan fans wanted Howard gone
100% of Indiana fans want Woodson gone
0% of Rutgers fans want Pike gone

Weird argument you're making
 
100% of Michigan fans wanted Howard gone
100% of Indiana fans want Woodson gone
0% of Rutgers fans want Pike gone

Weird argument you're making

Because fans are always right?
There are fans who want HC Schiano gone. Are they right?
And I didn't mention Michigan or Indiana fans.

Weird is the argument "HC Pike needs to be excused because even elite teams miss the tournament twice. We've been competitive for 5 years. 4 years of downward results doesn't make him a failure. Can't have high expectations next year either because plenty of teams with elite recruits dont go far in the NCAA tournament.
Woodson and Howard? Oh they are complete failures and we would be lucky if they stayed at their schools."
 
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I’m not saying HC Pike is a failure.
But if HC Woodson and HC Howard are failures, what does that make us?
When they’ve been better (much better in some years) in all years except UM this year.
 
Because fans are always right?
There are fans who want HC Schiano gone. Are they right?
And I didn't mention Michigan or Indiana fans.

Weird is the argument "HC Pike needs to be excused because even elite teams miss the tournament twice. We've been competitive for 5 years. 4 years of downward results doesn't make him a failure. Can't have high expectations next year either because plenty of teams with elite recruits dont go far in the NCAA tournament.
Woodson and Howard? Oh they are complete failures and we would be lucky if they stayed at their schools."
Your argument assumes that context and the name on the front of the jersey don't matter.
 
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Like what ? All the guys that win resurface
That's why I think Sean Miller of Xavier will be in contention and a damm good hire.
What happened at Arizona is past history now,and he's a proven winner.
But the Musketeers had a losing season this year and that might keep Michigan from considering him among the first to go after.
 
That's why I think Sean Miller of Xavier will be in contention and a damm good hire.
What happened at Arizona is past history now,and he's a proven winner.
But the Musketeers had a losing season this year and that might keep Michigan from considering him among the first to go after.
I think miller won’t get any big time offers until he wins again
 
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I think miller won’t get any big time offers until he wins again
This year's record makes your statement on target.
If Miller could have followed up Xavier's sweet 16 appearance in 2022-3 with a 20+ win season in 2023-4 and tourney bid , he'd get a look see.
Since he didn't, you'll get no argument from me
 
This year's record makes your statement on target.
If Miller could have followed up Xavier's sweet 16 appearance in 2022-3 with a 20+ win season in 2023-4 and tourney bid , he'd get a look see.
Since he didn't, you'll get no argument from me
It would be interesting if capel ever moved on (by promotion or demotion) from Pitt. If they go for knight or Miller
 
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