If Ash had the success that Herman has had, what are the odds he stays at Rutgers for the long haul?
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he is the best conference. If Rutgers is going to a New Years Day bowl and is say 10-2 then it has reached a pretty high point which means Ash has created a great thing here. There wont be that many jobs that are more attractive at that point given how high RU has risen whereas he immediately would be under pressure to win at some top 20 program of all time because he isn't leaving to go to Ilinois or Purdue or even Iowa or Kansas State so the program would be an elite one
in any case RU then would be in great shape to go out and pay good money to land another guy
in any case RU then would be in great shape to go out and pay good money to land another guy
Unfortunately 0% chance. 100% chance he will coach us in our bowl game after he is hired away.
lol - he has been on the job 3 weeks and we already have him leaving us for bigger and better things.... /shrug... at least we're not posting about firing him yet....
If successful, he may get poached by the NFL just like GS. Not a bad deal for him. We know how that worked out for GS.
Very few places better. Once he gets there i bet we pull up a truck to keep him here. The amount of media attention he would get is insane.
Very few places better. Once he gets there i bet we pull up a truck to keep him here. The amount of media attention he would get is insane.
If we have two 10 win seasons, the stadium sell out, ticket prices skyrocket as well as donations and sponsorships skyrocket. The additional revenue would be enough to get Ash up to $5 million and his staff stable.
I sure hope we get to find out the answer to that question!
Not trying to be a d1ck here but can we focus on things that are in front of us before we speculate on such things?
If he is wanted by tOSU, or some other powerhouse, then i'm guessing we'll be pretty happy and wont have a hard time finding the next guy.
Lets figure out how to get $$$ into the program.
If he is wanted by tOSU, or some other powerhouse, then i'm guessing we'll be pretty happy and wont have a hard time finding the next guy.
Lets figure out how to get $$$ into the program.
We live in the #1 media market in the country in an area where its really just wonderful to be rich. Schiano wasn't in a hurry to leave util he got the NFL gig. If we are lucky enough to have someone really really successful here, I wouldn't bet on or against them leaving. If the area appeals to them and their family, and it appeals to a lot of people, they will stay. If they want to take their millions and head down to Louisiana or wherever the f*ck, they will do that. I will say this though - no one but the top of the top is going to hire a coach away from us.
That will be a decision for Rutgers to make moreso that Ash.
Will we increase pay drastically?
Promise football facility improvements and new buildings?
Etc.
Will we increase pay drastically?
Promise football facility improvements and new buildings?
Etc.
Some of you guys are too much. When you go on a first date with a decent looking girl, do you think "how long before she loses a little weight, gets a better hair style, perfects her BJ skills and then leaves me"?
Guys, relax.....
Guys, relax.....
Not a problem for me. I'm the one they the come to after the achieve those things.
You wouldn't believe the hotties that have been in the passenger seat of my Accord (and the back!)
If he's massively successful, then that would suggest he has the Saban/Urban-type system down and that would make him a huge NFL coaching prospect. As long as you pay him fairly, I don't know how many college jobs are even attractive any more. No one anywhere (that hasn't been struggling for a long time) has patience.
A good reason for him to leave would be how hard it would be to become a perennial top 25 team coming from our division in the B1G. Even if Ash is successful at RU, for the next decade or so most years we will be 0-3 against Ohio State, Michigan, and Michigan State. That doesn't leave a lot of room for error in the rest of the schedule if you want to finish ranked.
A couple of good years and we'll be looking for an Offensive staff to replace the guys that just moved up to HC, OC, etc in other places.
No, they think about the wedding arrangements, how many kids they are having, how their grand kids will look like, what town they will live in, and which cementary they will be buried in.
It doesn't get bigger than success in this market. He doesn't leave if we pay him well.
How is there even an answer to the OP's question? If someone has it, please let me know what tonights winning powerball #s will be.
It depends, just do what Huston and all other colleges that wanted to keep their coach, just give him a raise.
Why leave a Big Ten job if not for more money?
Why leave a Big Ten job if not for more money?
How many head coaches actually stick around in the NCAA for years and years with the same team anymore? I'd guess that the vast majority of them are looking for the next big thing, aside from maybe the very elite perennial top-10 teams. Even Urban Meyer was speculated to be getting recruited by the NFL this year.
There is ALWAYS a step up from the position you're currently in. I don't think more than maybe 5-6 teams in the NCAA can be considered the pinnacle of success. I'm doubtful that Rutgers will ever be one of those. Let's just hope for great success on the field, the creation of a winning culture, and the development of a program that will be considered a great destination for up-and-coming coaches in the future. If Ash does that, it's all we can ask of him.
There is ALWAYS a step up from the position you're currently in. I don't think more than maybe 5-6 teams in the NCAA can be considered the pinnacle of success. I'm doubtful that Rutgers will ever be one of those. Let's just hope for great success on the field, the creation of a winning culture, and the development of a program that will be considered a great destination for up-and-coming coaches in the future. If Ash does that, it's all we can ask of him.
He wouldn't go anywhere, unless he has some long lost love for Notre Dame or wants to be a West Coast guy at USC or something. The donors here will gladly give the guy what he wants if he's a proven winner in the B1G.
Unless Ash really falls in love with Rutgers and NJ he will use us as a stepping stone job. If the media treats Ash the way it has Rutgers in the past, Ash won't want to stay and deal with it when he can go elsewhere with a more friendly media environment.
Of course as a Big 10 school it would need to be a better job for him to leave.
Schools he may potentially leave Rutgers for if successful:
Ohio St - coached at previously
Wisconsin - coached at previously
Arkansas - coached at previously
Iowa St - coached at previously
Iowa - grew up in Iowa
the NFL
any top 15-20 perennial school (ie. Florida, USC, Penn St, Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, etc...) if they come calling
Of course as a Big 10 school it would need to be a better job for him to leave.
Schools he may potentially leave Rutgers for if successful:
Ohio St - coached at previously
Wisconsin - coached at previously
Arkansas - coached at previously
Iowa St - coached at previously
Iowa - grew up in Iowa
the NFL
any top 15-20 perennial school (ie. Florida, USC, Penn St, Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, etc...) if they come calling
Like I've said before if you attain these goals here you achieve God like status. There would be no pressure to maintain that level just get there every few years with .500 records or above the other years. If we could keep his salary close to his suitors he would be ill advised to leave. By this time most people will have jumped on the bandwagon and there should be plenty of money to keep salaries relatively close. Other prominent schools are pressure cookers and an 8-4 record can have you on the hot seat. Not here.
Think Iowa when it comes to this situation. Ferentz was finally on his way out(contract had a lot to do with why they didn't fire him). Now he gets a stay of execution for a few years with one good season. Better to have a job for a long time making slightly less money than a slightly higher paying job for less years where the pressure to win is unattainable(think Mullen). It's stability for your family which is rare in this profession. Now if the NFL comes calling that's a whole different story. It's generally regarded as the pinnacle of the coaching profession and most not all, would at least like to give it a try.
Think Iowa when it comes to this situation. Ferentz was finally on his way out(contract had a lot to do with why they didn't fire him). Now he gets a stay of execution for a few years with one good season. Better to have a job for a long time making slightly less money than a slightly higher paying job for less years where the pressure to win is unattainable(think Mullen). It's stability for your family which is rare in this profession. Now if the NFL comes calling that's a whole different story. It's generally regarded as the pinnacle of the coaching profession and most not all, would at least like to give it a try.
He has success like Herman had we are well on our way to being a perennial top 15-20 team. And I think you would be surprised how good the press would become. When you have a winner most people will crucify the beat writers for any negative comments about their team. nj.com would get on board because their doom and gloom articles would fall on deaf ears. Basically they would look like idiots, trying to push their agenda. Now with a losing and dysfunctional team they can get away with it. Not when you have a winner, because everyone loves a winner especially in the northeast.
If Ash is successful he could jump to the B1G West for an easier path to the conference championship. Plus, he and his assistants would be closer to their Midwestern roots.
I must point out that this staff are all Midwest folks (Non-Northeast) and it will be how the families feel with the sarcastic-rye humor/digs that jersey folks are so well known for; I suspect some will flock back to their roots. I.e. bac saying they will not go back to Iowa<<< the staff in a New York minute, as for HC Ash when the Iowa/Iowa State HC jobs opens YES he could be gone.
But who cares Let Ash win first, let him lose a DC or OC to a HC job, in a few years. See how he does with replacements (if he still wins) Then we will have to worry. That is 3-5 year period. No Pro team will scoop him up with only Rutgers on his résumé. He, I would think needs to win at a Named school. Yea, Schiano did it but the experiment failed. Pros will not get burnt again. See Kelly at Philly another example of College success and Pro failure. Ash is so young that he will need to prove himself at another Named school before the Pros take a chance again.
So we have him like it or not successful or not for 4-6 years.
So think 2020 before you start, ...............
"bring back Schiano[laughing] or we need [laughing]Golden-Weis[laughing] to recruit NJ!"
imbazza - LOL at him ditching a winning RU for Iowa State. Iowa - I could see it. Maybe neighboring Nebraska. I could see OSU as well. The NFL obviously if it comes to that.
But the list is much smaller than it was in the Big East days.
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