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Is Ash overstaying his welcome at Ohio?

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Not for nothing but how many defense coordinators do they need to go into their bowl game.

I feel as if Ohio is more than capable of being prepared for their bowl game.

They currently have 3 different defensive coordinators.

Ohio has clearly moved on by hiring Schiano.
 
I think if Urban Meyer thought that Ash was "overstaying his welcome," he would have told him that directly. Ash made a commitment to OSU and is honoring it. You can debate whether he should still be there or not, but in my opinion, you can't question the integrity of the decision. Good for him. We'll see how he does here -- I'm excited by the potential.

And if you want to get into the weeds, Ash knows the intricacies of that defense better than their co-DC in title only and certainly better than Schiano, so I think his game planning is valuable to Urban.
 
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OSU has Two DC's and a presently over paid recruiter on the staff as Schiano has nothing to do with this game plan. ASH is the DC and has been the one calling the Defense the last two seasons. He will call the plays in Arizona and then Schiano will take over.
 
The big picture is I think finishing up at Ohio State will enhance his image in the long run of doing the right thing
 
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RUforlife said:
Ash is the DC for Ohio State, not Ohio. Ohio plays in the MAC and has already played their bowl game. I don't think they honestly care about Coach Ash. Just a guess.
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That and Greg Schiano is not coaching for Ohio.
 
The net result of Ash coaching the bowl game is the same if he would have come here right away. He wouldn't have hired anyone past whom he has hired already. He is at Rutgers all of this week dedicating himself to RU. He's not going to start coaching the current players until the staff is in place. In the off season the strength and conditioning coach is the one who has the most contact with the players and both coaches are in place. If someone can give me one point as to why he needs to be here before the bowl game please let me know.
 
To those that are tired of this discussion: Look at the title of the thread....and don't open it! Let those who want to talk about it do so. If you don't, than don't reply. And better yet, don't even read it.
 
Whether or not he is overstaying his welcome is irrelevant at this point. In my honest opinion he should have never been given the option. Our new AD thought otherwise and proceeded to give him the green light to stay at OSU until January. So expect Ash to be our FT head coach on 1/2/16. End of story.
 
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mildone said:
Actually, I meant it would be $10 because 1 and 0. Not so much to bash Flood. Bad joke on my part. [winking]
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LOL...I get it now. -It's just that I'd gotten so used to seeing those #'s written as 1-0 that having them together without the hyphen didn't connect.

But you're right, that amount of pay would fit the binary code requirement. :-)
 
rucook08 said:
Not for nothing but how many defense coordinators do they need to go into their bowl game.

I feel as if Ohio is more than capable of being prepared for their bowl game.

They currently have 3 different defensive coordinators.

Ohio has clearly moved on by hiring Schiano.
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Ohio lost Saturday to App State. Not sure why he'd want to stay past the bowl game there...
 
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You know, people don't actually have to create an entire thread based on the first dumb thing that pops into their head. At the very least least, sleep on it or try to do a tiny little research or think about for more than a few seconds before posting.

This will save a lot of embarrassment.
 
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THERAC said:
The net result of Ash coaching the bowl game is the same if he would have come here right away. He wouldn't have hired anyone past whom he has hired already. He is at Rutgers all of this week dedicating himself to RU. He's not going to start coaching the current players until the staff is in place. In the off season the strength and conditioning coach is the one who has the most contact with the players and both coaches are in place. If someone can give me one point as to why he needs to be here before the bowl game please let me know.
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Because there are posters that will hold their breathe and kick like babies until he is here full time. Seriously sounds like he is successfully balancing jobs....my guess would be that if anything Rutgers is getting the extra attention as he has assistant coaches who can run meetings and even walk throughs at theOSU
 
RBNY87 said:
The big picture is I think finishing up at Ohio State will enhance his image in the long run of doing the right thing
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This is his chance of a life time, (if only 42 years) and I think he should be champing at the
bit to get started, Shea is known on this board as the guy who went on vacation,
he could be known as the guy who stayed loyal to his old team.
RU has been the end of the road for (1st time head)
coaches, it's like a death
sentence. He shared a national championship with Meyers so he should cut the
cord and go where he belongs. Opportunity sometimes knocks only once
Ask Anderson, Graber, Shea, so far Schiano isn't wanted as a head coach.
Even Burns, and Bateman never were head coaches again. As a matter
of fact there is a chance there never has been one to repeat as head coach.
So come on dude get going to where you should be, there may not be a second
chance. Oh I forgot Flood. (already)
 
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vkj91 said:
OSU has Two DC's and a presently over paid recruiter on the staff as Schiano has nothing to do with this game plan. ASH is the DC and has been the one calling the Defense the last two seasons. He will call the plays in Arizona and then Schiano will take over.
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'Splain it Lucy.
 
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This is his chance of a life time, (if only 42 years) and I think he should be champing at the
bit to get started, Shea is known on this board as the guy who went on vacation,
he could be known as the guy who stayed loyal to his old team.
RU has been the end of the road for head coaches, it's like a death
sentence. He shared a national championship with Meyers so he should cut the
cord and go where he belongs. Opportunity sometimes knocks only once
Ask Anderson, Graber, Shea, so far Schiano isn't wanted as a head coach.
Even Burns, and Bateman never were head coaches again. As a matter
of fact there is a chance there never has been one to repeat as head coach.
So come on dude get going to where you should be, there may not be a second
chance. Oh I forgot Flood. (already).
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RU is the end of the road for head coaches?

That's not because they became undesirable as a result of what they did or didn't do here.
It's because no one else wanted them in the 1st place, and we hired them because, well, we needed SOMEONE to take the job!

Shea?
Should never have hired him.
Rutgers didn't kill his career. It just wasn't a good fit, and he proved he wasn't a good head coach.

Schiano?
You said, "RU has been the end of the road for head coaches, it's like a death
sentence."

DUH!
He got a head coaching job IN THE NFL after coaching at Rutgers.
How the heck does that make Rutgers a dead end coaching job?

Schiano hasn't gotten another head coaching job yet for a variety of reasons, but NOT BECAUSE HE WAS THE HEAD COACH AT RUTGERS!!

Flood?
Well now that's just dumb.
Never should have been hired.
Again, his career wasn't killed by being at Rutgers.
He killed it himself (or probably more accurately, he just wasn't cut out to be a head coach at a big school.)


So if Ash got here full time pronto, he is set up for success.
But if Ash comes in full time 1/2/16, he is risking his future as a head football coach.
Exactly what will he have lost by doing this, and how will he never be able to "overcome" such a difficult start that he put himself in?


So tell me again how this history of Rutgers coaches implies Ash should be here full time or his career as a head coach will be in jeopardy?

Drama much?
 
Rutgers has been brutal on 1st time head coaches and that was my point.
So I changed my post to read 1st time. Any coach Nick Saban, Woody Hayes,
Meyers, Parsegean, any one would have a hugh task on their hands, specially
new head coaches I hoped Ash would have given us his undevided attention
because we are going to need it.
 
NickKnight 1 said:
This is his chance of a life time, (if only 42 years) and I think he should be champing at the
bit to get started, Shea is known on this board as the guy who went on vacation,
he could be known as the guy who stayed loyal to his old team.
RU has been the end of the road for (1st time head)
coaches, it's like a death
sentence. He shared a national championship with Meyers so he should cut the
cord and go where he belongs. Opportunity sometimes knocks only once
Ask Anderson, Graber, Shea, so far Schiano isn't wanted as a head coach.
Even Burns, and Bateman never were head coaches again. As a matter
of fact there is a chance there never has been one to repeat as head coach.
So come on dude get going to where you should be, there may not be a second
chance. Oh I forgot Flood. (already)
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Ever bought or sold a house? You know how they give you comps? Houses of similar size with similar features in the same area? Ash's comps are not Anderson, Graber, and Shea...they're Mullen, Strong, and Herman. All coordinators under Meyer, all stayed through the bowl/playoffs before taking over their new program. Those guys are/went a combined 103-51 at their first head jobs.
 
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Ever bought or sold a house? You know how they give you comps? Houses of similar size with similar features in the same area? Ash's comps are not Anderson, Graber, and Shea...they're Mullen, Strong, and Herman. All coordinators under Meyer, all stayed through the bowl/playoffs before taking over their new program. Those guys are/went a combined 103-51 at their first head jobs.
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Shea, Anderson, and Graber comps were Bill Walsh, Joe Paterno, and Doug Mackanvic, just saying.
 
NickKnight 1 said:
Shea, Anderson, and Graber comps were Bill Walsh, Joe Paterno, and Doug Mackanvic, just saying.
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Shea's comp was not Bill Walsh. That would if I claimed that Ash's comp were Urban Meyer. Shea coached under Walsh for 3 years and went to the CFL as a QB coach.

Anderson, also not a comp to Paterno. Paterno was an assistant for 15 years under Rip Engle. Anderson never coached under Engle, he was an assistant for Paterno in the 70's and early 80's. Again, this would be like I were claiming Ash's comp was Urban.

I have no idea who Doug Mackanvic is. If you mean John Mackovic, again you're not getting the point. Graber coached under Mackovic in Kansas City.

Dan Mullen, Charlie Strong and Tom Herman all worked as coordinators under Head Coach Urban Meyer. Just like Ash.

Shea, Anderson, and Graber all worked as assistants under Head Coaches Bill Walsh, Joe Paterno and John Mackovic.

I'm not comparing Ash to who he worked for. I'm comparing him to those who held a similar position.
 
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