Is Laviano so inaccurate that...

[Scarlet_Monster]

We cannot run a simple swing pass into the flats WHERE the HB is still running and the ball is floated to a spot where he can catch it in stride?

I noticed any pass to the flat the HB didn't keep running a route, he would get to a certain point, stop and turn his body to the QB.

I know you cannot compare NFL and NCAA but watching the Jets game yesterday and seeing Big Ben just throw these 2-3 yard floaters to a HB swinging out of the backfield going for 7+ yards each time it would've been the perfect play call to stop the immense rush that both OSU and Michigan were bringing.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

We cannot run a simple swing pass into the flats WHERE the HB is still running and the ball is floated to a spot where he can catch it in stride?

I noticed any pass to the flat the HB didn't keep running a route, he would get to a certain point, stop and turn his body to the QB.

I know you cannot compare NFL and NCAA but watching the Jets game yesterday and seeing Big Ben just throw these 2-3 yard floaters to a HB swinging out of the backfield going for 7+ yards each time it would've been the perfect play call to stop the immense rush that both OSU and Michigan were bringing.

I think - THINK - the idea on the play, in this offense, is that once the HB catches the ball he makes a slip-move past the defender and has room to run. I also think that, maybe, we're worried about throwing that pass while BOTH Laviano and the HB are moving.

 

[brgRC90]

He can't hit the side of a barn, so yes.

 

[rutgersal]

one of his biggest failings is the inability to hit people in stride. he had an opportunity to Patton in the first quarter, but Patton had to wait for the ball, allowing Michigans All American DB to swat it away.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

one of his biggest failings is the inability to hit people in stride. he had an opportunity to Patton in the first quarter, but Patton had to wait for the ball, allowing Michigans All American DB to swat it away.

Michigan's all-american DB also was holding Patton's right arm down to his side.

 

[rutgersal]

Michigan's all-american DB also was holding Patton's right arm down to his side.

if laviano led Patton with his pass, he wouldn't have had that opportunity because he was beaten.

 

[cicero grimes]

Our playbook only consists of about 6 plays so you would think he would be able to execute one of the most basic.

 

[devoted2ru]

Michigan's all-american DB also was holding Patton's right arm down to his side.

Agree, and he also looked like he got there a bit early...but no call.

Interestingly, a few plays later after a Rutgers DB broke up a Michigan pass play that was very iffy in terms of any interference, the refs throw the flag for PI.

Guess when you're an AA DB playing for one of the top 5 teams in the country the refs have a tendency to "miss" some of your early arrivals.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Agree, and he also looked like he got there a bit early...but no call.

Interestingly, a few plays later after a Rutgers DB broke up a Michigan pass play that was very iffy in terms of any interference, the refs throw the flag for PI.

Guess when you're an AA DB playing for one of the top 5 teams in the country the refs have a tendency to "miss" some of your early arrivals.

Yup. Trust me - and the Michigan guy sitting next to me agreed - I was all over that succession of plays and calls!

 

[Scarlet_Monster]

if laviano led Patton with his pass, he wouldn't have had that opportunity because he was beaten.

If he either lead him, or you know had the arm strength where the ball didn't take forever to get there, it would've been a big completion or maybe a TD.

 

[RU#1fan]

If he either lead him, or you know had the arm strength where the ball didn't take forever to get there, it would've been a big completion or maybe a TD.

Does Rettig make that Pass ????

 

[rutgersal]

Does Rettig make that Pass ????

i think he does, but that ship has sailed.

 

[RU#1fan]

i think he does, but that ship has sailed.

Never going to happen but how about bringing in Oden on run plays and Rettig on passing plays.
The outcome can't be any worse ... 1 frick'n TD in the last 14 Qtrs.

Can't run a Spread Offense unless you have the personnel. We are not even close yet.

 

[RobotHunter]

Never seen more vanilla play calling in my life...I understand that we basically have no talent on offense but come on really? Run off tackle, run off tackle, QB roll out to his bad side and throw a ridiculous looking pass as he gets run out of bounds...absolutely brutal and completely inept on all levels.

 

[Scarlet_Monster]

Never going to happen but how about bringing in Oden on run plays and Rettig on passing plays.
The outcome can't be any worse ... 1 frick'n TD in the last 14 Qtrs.

Can't run a Spread Offense unless you have the personnel. We are not even close yet.

Then you run into the situation of where defenses know to stack the box for Oden, and spread things out with multiple DBs for Rettig.

 

[RU#1fan]

[eyeroll]

Then you run into the situation of where defenses know to stack the box for Oden, and spread things out with multiple DBs for Rettig.

True...unless you have both on the field at the same time....

 

[miker183]

We cannot run a simple swing pass into the flats WHERE the HB is still running and the ball is floated to a spot where he can catch it in stride?

I noticed any pass to the flat the HB didn't keep running a route, he would get to a certain point, stop and turn his body to the QB.

I know you cannot compare NFL and NCAA but watching the Jets game yesterday and seeing Big Ben just throw these 2-3 yard floaters to a HB swinging out of the backfield going for 7+ yards each time it would've been the perfect play call to stop the immense rush that both OSU and Michigan were bringing.

Yes, he is, unfortunately. In the early stages of the Iowa game he underthrew a receiver in the backfield by about 3 yards and on the next play skipped the ball into the receiver.

The kid is tough, and near as I can tell, he's willing to give everything he has, but his arm strength and/or accuracy are not there.

 

[RU2055]

He makes the throws in practice. Problem is he is night and day different in a real game, especially when he gets pressured.

The QB situation is what it is until 1) Oden gets up to speed, 2) Lewis blows us away as a TF or 3) We bring in a JUCO/ grad transfer.

 

[Debtbubble]

Yes

 

[Kbee3]

Never seen more vanilla play calling in my life...I understand that we basically have no talent on offense but come on really? Run off tackle, run off tackle, QB roll out to his bad side and throw a ridiculous looking pass as he gets run out of bounds...absolutely brutal and completely inept on all levels.

As bad as our qb play has been so far this season, it doesn't really matter if virtually every one of the offensive linemen is getting abused play after play. And two of them are seniors...who had Big Ten offers coming out of high school....and 4-star recruits.
You can't build an O-line overnight in college football....especially when it's a non-j.c. friendly school like Rutgers. This is gonna take some time.

 

[mikefla]

I agree ...he almost never hits anyone in stride. Not even Caroo but Caroo could catch ANYTHING near him. Caroo many times had to almost come back to catch a pass.

CL is NOT the worst QB ever IMO. With a better Oline he could be average and e0ffective. A good OC coach would have him doing short passes to keep him from being sacked.......and quick outs like he did with Grant. He is NOT a drop back passer and while he CAN run a bit he doesnt seem to be that aggressive when he does this year.

Frankly there are QBs that FIND A WAY to win,,,he is NOT that guy.

I still cant comprehend why Gio doesnt get reps. Given playing time is said to be based on practice...he must be doing huge mistakes in practice.....but the one time he was in he looked good to me.

I wonder what the PLAYERS think..I mean REALLY THINK...because they are NOT going above and beyond for Laviano.

 

[RUScrew85]

Is this a joke thread?

Laviano is sooooooooo inaccurate.
How inaccurate is he?
He could fall out of a boat and miss the water.

hahahahaah. Probably shouldn't be a joke thread.

 

[LotusAggressor]

I think - THINK - the idea on the play, in this offense, is that once the HB catches the ball he makes a slip-move past the defender and has room to run. I also think that, maybe, we're worried about throwing that pass while BOTH Laviano and the HB are moving.

We cannot run a simple swing pass into the flats WHERE the HB is still running and the ball is floated to a spot where he can catch it in stride?

I noticed any pass to the flat the HB didn't keep running a route, he would get to a certain point, stop and turn his body to the QB.

I know you cannot compare NFL and NCAA but watching the Jets game yesterday and seeing Big Ben just throw these 2-3 yard floaters to a HB swinging out of the backfield going for 7+ yards each time it would've been the perfect play call to stop the immense rush that both OSU and Michigan were bringing.

Laviano is no Roethlesberger, Robert Martin is no LaVeon Bell, and Mehringer is no Todd Haley. The Steeler playbook also has more than 3 plays, and their OL blocks people. Roethlesberger also isn't getting hit by 3 defenders while the shotgun snap is in the air.

 

[Scarlet_Monster]

Laviano is no Roethlesberger, Robert Martin is no LaVeon Bell, and Mehringer is no Todd Haley. The Steeler playbook also has more than 3 plays, and their OL blocks people. Roethlesberger also isn't getting hit by 3 defenders while the shotgun snap is in the air.

Well no duh they aren't the NFL counterpart they would be matched with, but this play is pretty much coaching 101 to slow down a pass rush, and to get the ball into the hands of your playmaker in space. In theory it's a very simple play that should help build confidence for the QB, and can help keep the defense honest.

 

[Shelby65]

Laviano isn't the problem, per se. He can complete passes. C'mon. The problem is, that Ash is changing to a spread option system now for the benefit of the younger players and recruiting targets even though Laviano, Allen and the other QBs are either ill-suited for it or just haven't learned it yet....and keep in mind that the Michigan D sees it from elite OSU athletes every year. Of course they can shut our fledgling offense down easily.

With schemes (pro-set) that suit him, Laviano would fare a lot better....but Ash's philosophy is to switch now rather than later to become more competitive with his own system sooner.