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It’s the little guy, not the whales, right

You do realize that’s your theory and not a proven fact. I seriously doubt the person who dropped $10MM on Maryland was a $25 a month guy in prior years.

Not hard to grasp the concept.
It’s not exactly a reach to say a decent portion of major donors didn’t start out paycheck to paycheck. That said if someone isn’t giving $25 a month now it’s pretty unlikely that someone on this board is going to convince them to at this point. Rutgers has a lowbrow and notoriously cheap fanbase that rationalizes things by thinking money/support is not the problem.
 
You do realize that’s your theory and not a proven fact. I seriously doubt the person who dropped $10MM on Maryland was a $25 a month guy in prior years.

Not hard to grasp the concept.
I would have a better understanding of that than you. Big money people are not coming if they don't feel everyone is all in and yes SOME big money people started decades ago giving small amounts and gradually increased as their earnings increased.
 
Pretty sure Skoolie has waaaayyyy more actual real insight to RU athletics than the usual dudes in the post.
Yes agree in this case .
But also it’s ok to realize that some people close to a situation or actually has some relationships can be blinded by it and not be objective.
 
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Yes agree in this case .
But also it’s ok to realize that some people close to a situation or actually has some relationships can be blinded by it and not be objective.
I literally sit on a fundraising board at Rutgers. We talk about this stuff every time and go over really interesting data. The key is to get people to give to RU, no matter the amount. Very few people stop giving to the same cause each year and its much easier to get them to give more once it's a habit.
 
I literally sit on a fundraising board at Rutgers. We talk about this stuff every time and go over really interesting data. The key is to get people to give to RU, no matter the amount. Very few people stop giving to the same cause each year and its much easier to get them to give more once it's a habit.
Yes . That’s why I said I agree with your take here.
 
Everybody knows the lack of financial resources ultimately impacts team performance as seen with the NIL. How to attract the financial resources is the missing link?This problem has been going on long before NIL.
 
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It’s not exactly a reach to say a decent portion of major donors didn’t start out paycheck to paycheck. That said if someone isn’t giving $25 a month now it’s pretty unlikely that someone on this board is going to convince them to at this point. Rutgers has a lowbrow and notoriously cheap fanbase that rationalizes things by thinking money/support is not the problem.
All fair points but it’s also not a reach to feel whales can come out of nowhere after deciding enough is enough.
 
Everybody knows the lack of financial resources ultimately impacts team performance as seen with the NIL. How to attract the financial resources is the missing link?This problem has been going on long before NIL.
Also it’s what you do with the resources you have. The current eye for talent is lacking. We need a GM to raise money and to make business decisions.
 
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I would have a better understanding of that than you. Big money people are not coming if they don't feel everyone is all in and yes SOME big money people started decades ago giving small amounts and gradually increased as their earnings increased.
I’m sure you do, being on the univ fundraising board, but sometimes if something isn’t working you have to shake it up. Are you going on your experience of how Rutgers grows small donors into slightly larger donors or are you looking at how other schools instantly land boatloads of cash? Because I think we need to be like them. I’m not saying small donors aren’t important. They certainly are. I’m just saying we need a game changer and need to look at all ways to get that done. Respectfully sport specific fundraising can be different than general univ fundraising. Sports really tug on emotions. Isn’t a whales help, along with fanatics money, how we finally got Ace and Dylan?
 
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OP you do realize the large donors started off as small donors?? Not all but a decent portion, right?

Not hard to grasp the concept.
I'm not sure about that. Our biggest donors started big. Were never small
 
GS has realized this. Focus on the whales, dont waste time with the small money. As someone who has raised close to 9-figures from investors over the past 8 years, my time is spent exclusively talking to accredited investors. Will I ignore a non-accredited investor? No. But the point of that convo would be to find out who the accredited investors they know are.

1 Whale = 1,000 little guys.

1 Whale doesnt have a lot of time to talk, they want to get to the point. Much more effective use of time.

1,000 little guys want attention and to feel special.

The whales are what wins and loses nil
 
I’m sure you do, being on the univ fundraising board, but sometimes if something isn’t working you have to shake it up. Are you going on your experience of how Rutgers grows small donors into slightly larger donors or are you looking at how other schools instantly land boatloads of cash? Because I think we need to be like them. I’m not saying small donors aren’t important. They certainly are. I’m just saying we need a game changer and need to look at all ways to get that done. Respectfully sport specific fundraising can be different than general univ fundraising. Sports really tug on emotions. Isn’t a whales help, along with fanatics money, how we finally got Ace and Dylan?
Involved in academic fundraising here and the question doesn't fully integrate skoolie's answer. The big donors are attracted in part by the presence of lots of small donors. Their absence raises a yellow flag.
 
That one $10 million donor is equal to 100,000 donors giving $100 each. While cultivating the little guys is important and part of the overall strategy, without the big guns, we can't keep up with our blue blood competitors. The little guys can fill up the seats, the big guy fill up the bank account!
 
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That one $10 million donor is equal to 100,000 donors giving $100 each. While cultivating the little guys is important and part of the overall strategy, without the big guns, we can't keep up with our blue blood competitors. The little guys can fill up the seats, the big guy fill up the bank account!
The little guys attract the big guys. That's what's missing from your post.
 
Involved in academic fundraising here and the question doesn't fully integrate skoolie's answer. The big donors are attracted in part by the presence of lots of small donors. Their absence raises a yellow flag.
Fair point but I would think that in sports the emotions and motivations of big donors is a bit different.
 
I would have a better understanding of that than you. Big money people are not coming if they don't feel everyone is all in and yes SOME big money people started decades ago giving small amounts and gradually increased as their earnings increased.
This is just another way to blame the everyday fans. The big donors won't give unless the people who may not be able to afford it are giving? If the big donors aren't giving, they are the problem that needs to be worked on. I can see the small donor being much more interested in adding in when things are being done. Small donors aren't the ground work, they are the gravy.
 
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This is just another way to blame the everyday fans. The big donors won't give unless the people who may not be able to afford it are giving? If the big donors aren't giving, they are the problem that needs to be worked on. I can see the small donor being much more interested in adding in when things are being done. Small donors aren't the ground work, they are the gravy.
That doesn't understand the mindset of many large donors and it also misrepresents what is being said.

They see priorities as being related to things you choose to spend money on. Almost everyone on this board can afford a few dollars. If not monthly, then yearly. It's a form of voting with your pocketbook.
 
Its Chicken/ egg w whale first then average joe, success first then donations

ultimately, though, unless Lou land a full night type whale with consistent, massive, giving, a total buy in is whats needed

That means donors of all types, large and small, to contribute to the success of the program
 
GS has realized this. Focus on the whales, dont waste time with the small money. As someone who has raised close to 9-figures from investors over the past 8 years, my time is spent exclusively talking to accredited investors. Will I ignore a non-accredited investor? No. But the point of that convo would be to find out who the accredited investors they know are.

1 Whale = 1,000 little guys.

1 Whale doesnt have a lot of time to talk, they want to get to the point. Much more effective use of time.

1,000 little guys want attention and to feel special.

The whales are what wins and loses nil
Ironically, this was one of the biggest complaints about Pat Hobbs and now suddenly it's being argued that he was illogical or wrong for doing so.

The mentions above about it being both is correct, the problems occur when you don't have access or contact with enough fundraisers that are actually employed or graduated from the school. I'm not saying everyone has to be a RU graduate, but to capture donations from all demographics of donor levels, there has to be people that can cover all the bases of potential income sources.

That is really a cultural issue in the tristate area, because most schools in our region are not as successful in sports right now. Donations come when football plays good crisp football and looks like it has an idea on how to improve and win. They get 80% of the revenue share, they have to own 80% of the problems with poor play for the better part of the last decade.

If Schiano can break through on a consistent basis, donations, season tickets and other opportunities will start to flow. Normal logic would indicate that people want to be associated with winning and success that donors can be proud of and right now, we're closer but not where we should be.
 
I would have a better understanding of that than you. Big money people are not coming if they don't feel everyone is all in and yes SOME big money people started decades ago giving small amounts and gradually increased as their earnings increased.
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GS has realized this. Focus on the whales, dont waste time with the small money. As someone who has raised close to 9-figures from investors over the past 8 years, my time is spent exclusively talking to accredited investors. Will I ignore a non-accredited investor? No. But the point of that convo would be to find out who the accredited investors they know are.

1 Whale = 1,000 little guys.

1 Whale doesnt have a lot of time to talk, they want to get to the point. Much more effective use of time.

1,000 little guys want attention and to feel special.

The whales are what wins and loses nil
Fortunately, we’ve hired a team to focus on that type of potential donor
 
Ironically, this was one of the biggest complaints about Pat Hobbs and now suddenly it's being argued that he was illogical or wrong for doing so.

The mentions above about it being both is correct, the problems occur when you don't have access or contact with enough fundraisers that are actually employed or graduated from the school. I'm not saying everyone has to be a RU graduate, but to capture donations from all demographics of donor levels, there has to be people that can cover all the bases of potential income sources.

That is really a cultural issue in the tristate area, because most schools in our region are not as successful in sports right now. Donations come when football plays good crisp football and looks like it has an idea on how to improve and win. They get 80% of the revenue share, they have to own 80% of the problems with poor play for the better part of the last decade.

If Schiano can break through on a consistent basis, donations, season tickets and other opportunities will start to flow. Normal logic would indicate that people want to be associated with winning and success that donors can be proud of and right now, we're closer but not where we should be.
No, two ways about it, Hobbs absolutely dropped the ball in this regard
 
You do realize it can be both?

Yea not sure what the point of the OP is.

Any major university that has whales would most likely have support up and down the food chain (big to small).

It’s not an either or.

Both are very important.

Also whales don’t usually just go ahead and decide to donate millions out of nowhere. It can be a long process to cultivate them and needs to be genuine. Sometimes they start off pretty small (relative to what they are capable of) and down the line their giving gets bigger.
 
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I’m sure you do, being on the univ fundraising board, but sometimes if something isn’t working you have to shake it up. Are you going on your experience of how Rutgers grows small donors into slightly larger donors or are you looking at how other schools instantly land boatloads of cash? Because I think we need to be like them. I’m not saying small donors aren’t important. They certainly are. I’m just saying we need a game changer and need to look at all ways to get that done. Respectfully sport specific fundraising can be different than general univ fundraising. Sports really tug on emotions. Isn’t a whales help, along with fanatics money, how we finally got Ace and Dylan?
I cannot speak to everyone in the AD but plenty of people are going after big fish. That is a big part of Holloway's job for the school. Again, I can't speak to certain coaches, not all of them do it that much I know.
 
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This is just another way to blame the everyday fans. The big donors won't give unless the people who may not be able to afford it are giving? If the big donors aren't giving, they are the problem that needs to be worked on. I can see the small donor being much more interested in adding in when things are being done. Small donors aren't the ground work, they are the gravy.
Correct. They share the blame. Many Rutgers alum and fans have big mouths to complain and short arms to give. Its reality. Our school sucks at giving relative to our peers. The school is working very hard to change that and I would argue they're doing a decent job. The lack of giving (among other factors, not 100% the fault of alums) is why we have always been so far behind in sports here. Its not complicated.
 
Yea not sure what the point of the OP is.

Any major university that has whales would most likely have support up and down the food chain (big to small).

It’s not an either or.

Both are very important.

Also whales don’t usually just go ahead and decide to donate millions out of nowhere. It can be a long process to cultivate them and needs to be genuine. Sometimes they start off pretty small (relative to what they are capable of) and down the line their giving gets bigger.
There was another post where it was debated little guys > whales. Of course both help but my point was it’s the whales that move the needle.
 
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Correct. They share the blame. Many Rutgers alum and fans have big mouths to complain and short arms to give. Its reality. Our school sucks at giving relative to our peers. The school is working very hard to change that and I would argue they're doing a decent job. The lack of giving (among other factors, not 100% the fault of alums) is why we have always been so far behind in sports here. Its not complicated.
No company that I've worked for ever found success by blaming the consumer for them not purchasing the product.
 
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