Jerry Kill Rips PJ Fleck

[BlockR]

Jerry ,while a nice guy sound,s like someone who the game is passing bye.
Probably dosent like the new athletic mobile QBs either.
RU would have been light years better ahead of game and on road to rebuild and being able to compete and win B10 games IF blundering Hobbs would have hired Fleck or Narduzzi instead of the disaster known as Asherror.People that predict Fleck downfall are the same that said Franklin will fail.
Guess Kill does not like Mike Leach or Dabo either?

 

[RUich]

"People who have known him before, when he got with Schiano, just his personality changed a lot

Sounds like a shot at Schiano while he is at it.

 

[MOBFreehold]

Jerry ,while a nice guy sound,s like someone who the game is passing bye.
Probably dosent like the new athletic mobile QBs either.
RU would have been light years better ahead of game and onn road to rebuild and being able to compete and win B10 games IF blundering Hobbs would have hired Fleck or Narduzzi instead of the disaster known as Asherror.

Fleck is a flash on the pan...he might win some at Minny and get bigger job and then will be exposed but my guess is he will be exposed before then. Narduzzi is legit. He has staying power. He will move up fr OK m Pitt job and success all along the way. Comparing these two isnt a good fit One is a coach the other a cheerleader overseeing coaches

 

[BlockR]

Fleck is a flash on the pan...he might win some at Minny and get bigger job and then will be exposed but my guess is he will be exposed before then. Narduzzi is legit. He has staying power. He will move up fr OK m Pitt job and success all along the way. Comparing these two isnt a good fit One is a coach the other a cheerleader overseeing coaches

let us know when RU hires a HC who can achieve these results..

WMU was able to complete their undefeated regular season at 12-0 with a win at home against Toledo, 55-35 on Friday, November 25. It was the first undefeated regular season for WMU since 1941, when the team went 8-0. Fleck was named MAC Coach of the Year following the season.[35]

On December 2, 2016 WMU defeated Ohio in the 20th MAC Football Championship Game at Ford Field in Detroit, Michigan. It was the first conference championship for WMU since 1988. WMU completed the 2016 regular season ranked #12 in the AP poll, #14 in the coaches poll, and #15 in the College Football Playoff rankings.

Fleck and the Broncos lost to Wisconsin in the 2017 Cotton Bowl Classic by a final score of 24-16.[36]

On December 6, 2016, Fleck was announced as one of five finalists for the Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year award alongside Colorado's Mike MacIntyre, Washington's Chris Petersen, Alabama's Nick Saban and Penn State's James Franklin.[37]

 

[BlockR]

Fleck went 5-7 year one at Gophers then 7-6 last season.Thats improvement and winning B10 games.
There is no comparison to Ash won loss record and how its trending as a B10 coach vrs Fleck.Thats pretty good trend for a 'flash in pan' who has produced ranked team at mid major level and in year two is above 500 in B10.
You wouldn't sign up for that at RU?
IF you say no,you are LYING.

 

[Knight Shift]

Jerry ,while a nice guy sound,s like someone who the game is passing bye.
Probably dosent like the new athletic mobile QBs either.
RU would have been light years better ahead of game and on road to rebuild and being able to compete and win B10 games IF blundering Hobbs would have hired Fleck or Narduzzi instead of the disaster known as Asherror.People that predict Fleck downfall are the same that said Franklin will fail.
Guess Kill does not like Mike Leach or Dabo either?

Are you able to post a coherent thought?
1. There is NO comparison between Fleck and Narduzzi. One is an adult and a professional, the other is a childish asshat.

2. Does every post of yours have to include Asherror? This thread has nothing to do with Asherror, other than the fact that what Kill said about Fleck trashing the previous culture.

3. Kill and the game passing him by? He took a low stress job as AD at Southern Illinois. He is essentially out of the game. But you want to trash him? SMH

 

[RUskoolie]

Fleck went 5-7 year one at Gophers then 7-6 last season.Thats improvement and winning B10 games.
There is no comparison to Ash won loss record and how its trending as a B10 coach vrs Fleck.Thats pretty good trend for a 'flash in pan' who has produced ranked team at mid major level and in year two is above 500 in B10.
You wouldn't sign up for that at RU?
IF you say no,you are LYING.

Inheriting a 9 win team and then winning 12 games over the next 2 years is improvement?

Fleck is a total clown coaching in a garbage division. It's going to kill me watching Fleck beat him this year because Ash is afraid to do anything aggressive.

 

[BlockR]

Are you able to post a coherent thought?
1. There is NO comparison between Fleck and Narduzzi. One is an adult and a professional, the other is a childish asshat.

2. Does every post of yours have to include Asherror? This thread has nothing to do with Asherror, other than the fact that what Kill said about Fleck trashing the previous culture.

3. Kill and the game passing him by? He took a low stress job as AD at Southern Illinois. He is essentially out of the game. But you want to trash him? SMH

If you think this has nothing to do what RU has hired,Asherror,when they could have hired Fleck,then you are still waving your Flood rally towels Shifty.
Again,Kill,very nice guy,but hes stuck in past with some of his comments.

 

[BlockR]

Inheriting a 9 win team and then winning 12 games over the next 2 years is improvement?

Fleck is a total clown coaching in a garbage division. It's going to kill me watching Fleck beat him this year because Ash is afraid to do anything aggressive.

so,beating Ga Tech,Wisconsin and Purdue and Indiana last season is not good,okay..got it
Also you forget Minnesota went thru players leaving team,coach resigning,players boycotting to keep coach,sexual assault invest when Fleck was hired.In year two after that he was above 500.

 

[koleszar]

Fleck went 5-7 year one at Gophers then 7-6 last season.Thats improvement and winning B10 games.
There is no comparison to Ash won loss record and how its trending as a B10 coach vrs Fleck.Thats pretty good trend for a 'flash in pan' who has produced ranked team at mid major level and in year two is above 500 in B10.
You wouldn't sign up for that at RU?
IF you say no,you are LYING.

I said it before and I'll say it again. If Fleck did here what he's done so far at Minnesota we all would have been screaming bloody murder. You probably would be leading the charge. We'd either be in a wait and see mode or denouncing the hire. Although his antics would be great cause for amusement on this board.

 

[BuggsyRU]

Kill is 50 games over 500 as a head coach. Was 500 at Minnesota as a head coach and turned Around 4 programs with horrible histories.
Fridge is 25 games over 500 in a crappy ACC. Look, I’m not taking bad about fridge but minus health issues kill would have been special.

You conveniently leave out that 49 of Kill’s wins came coaching at the D2 level..and another 55 of his wins is at the D1AA level....so only 52 of his 152 wins is at D1 (and only 29 of those 52 wins is at the Big 5 level...whereas ALL of Fridge's 75 wins came at the Big 5 level.)

Fridge was also 5-2 in bowl games, including New Year's Day wins in major bowls (Gator, Peach).

Kill was 0-5 in bowls.

There was nothing special about Kill. Results don't lie. In the number of AP top 20 finishes, bowl wins, D1 victory totals, conference championships (Fridge had one in the ACC, Kill had none in the Big Ten) to the number of All Americans he coached, Fridge comes out on top in ALL of these.

Like I said, it is not even debatable when you look closely.

 

[ClassOf02]

If you think this has nothing to do what RU has hired,Asherror,when they could have hired Fleck,then you are still waving your Flood rally towels Shifty.
Again,Kill,very nice guy,but hes stuck in past with some of his comments.

so,beating Ga Tech,Wisconsin and Purdue and Indiana last season is not good,okay..got it
Also you forget Minnesota went thru players leaving team,coach resigning,players boycotting to keep coach,sexual assault invest when Fleck was hired.In year two after that he was above 500.

You know you're supposed to use a space after a comma, right?

 

[KnightTerrors]

I’d gladly take the douchiest coach in the world if it meant getting wins!

 

[knightfan7]

No doubt Fleck is a shameless self promoter. I can see that bothering an old school coach like Kill.

 

[e5fdny]

LOL

I was right.

 

[BlockR]

Not first time KILL has done this .He was just blasted on ESPN radio for being classless.
here he rips another Gophers move and school.
Bad look.
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...ch-jerry-kill-rips-school-firing-tracy-claeys

 

[knightfan7]

so,beating Ga Tech,Wisconsin and Purdue and Indiana last season is not good,okay..got it
Also you forget Minnesota went thru players leaving team,coach resigning,players boycotting to keep coach,sexual assault invest when Fleck was hired.In year two after that he was above 500.

Inheriting a 9 win team and winning 5 is an improvement how? The 3 years prior they were 23-16. His 2 years they have been 12-13. That's a step back in anyone's book.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

I’d gladly take the douchiest coach in the world if it meant getting wins!

his record is actually worse not better than the last staff over there.

 

[RutgersRockies]

I really can't stand Fleck and think he's a showman, nothing more.

That being said, everyone could see from Day 1 that Tracy Claeys was an abject disaster. At least Minnesota had the good sense to jettison him after one season (1 1/2 if you include interim). Maybe Kill is still sore they canned his buddy.

Here's another story on it from Football Scoop: http://footballscoop.com/news/jerry-kill-pj-fleck-hes/

 

[theRU]

Kill comes off like a bit of a jerk n this exchange...


I'm not impressed with him either...

why? Its ok for PJ to come in and essentially dump on what Kill left behind? But its bad for Kill to push back on that? I think its fair game. If you want to come in like a know it all ( Ash or PJ or whomever) your results better back you up quick and you better be able to take the heat.

 

[Knight Shift]

I really can't stand Fleck and think he's a showman, nothing more.

That being said, everyone could see from Day 1 that Tracy Claeys was an abject disaster. At least Minnesota had the good sense to jettison him after one season (1 1/2 if you include interim). Maybe Kill is still sore they canned his buddy.

Here's another story on it from Football Scoop: http://footballscoop.com/news/jerry-kill-pj-fleck-hes/

"But here’s one point Kill absolutely has in his favor: in his final two full seasons at Minnesota, the Gophers went 8-5 and 8-5, a mark that Fleck has yet to match in his two seasons in Kill’s old job."

Yet Blockhead will continue to lather up Fleck like he is some type of coaching guru.

 

[BlockR]

Inheriting a 9 win team and winning 5 is an improvement how? The 3 years prior they were 23-16. His 2 years they have been 12-13. That's a step back in anyone's book.

again..read this article to see what happened in Minny..investigation into player miscounduct,bad recruiting,player protest. team and program was a mess.Not first time Kill ripped school. Also he questioned Fleck getting remarried? way off base.Reeks of sour grapes on his part.
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...ch-jerry-kill-rips-school-firing-tracy-claeys

 

[rutgersdave]

Kill is probably too sensitive since Fleck is just saying what most coaches say when they take over and Kill might have changed a word or two. Fleck might have to be on the move to another team before he starts to have a record below 500.

 

[Knight Shift]

again..read this article to see what happened in Minny..investigation into player miscounduct,bad recruiting,player protest. team and program was a mess.Not first time Kill ripped school. Also he questioned Fleck getting remarried? way off base.Reeks of sour grapes on his part.
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...ch-jerry-kill-rips-school-firing-tracy-claeys

You love to lather up other coaches and make excuses for them. Yet, you think that what Ash inherited was some sort of equal or better situation?
Facts are Facts.
2013: 8-5/4-4 Kill
2014: 8-5/5-3 Kill
2015: 2-6/6-7 Kill/Claeys
2016: 9-4/5-4
Row the Boat
2017: 5-7/2-7
2018: 7-6/3-6 Bowl Win over crappy Georgia Tech. Pounded by Illinois and a weak Nebraska team.

 

[dconifer]

why? Its ok for PJ to come in and essentially dump on what Kill left behind? But its bad for Kill to push back on that? I think its fair game. If you want to come in like a know it all ( Ash or PJ or whomever) your results better back you up quick and you better be able to take the heat.

I feel like he went overboard and made it personal. That's weird to me. It's all subjective, maybe I'm wrong to take a position...

 

[RUonBrain]

You love to lather up other coaches and make excuses for them. Yet, you think that what Ash inherited was some sort of equal or better situation?
Facts are Facts.
2013: 8-5/4-4 Kill
2014: 8-5/5-3 Kill
2015: 2-6/6-7 Kill/Claeys
2016: 9-4/5-4
Row the Boat
2017: 5-7/2-7
2018: 7-6/3-6 Bowl Win over crappy Georgia Tech. Pounded by Illinois and a weak Nebraska team.

Great post

Sounds like a Fleck towel boy

 

[BlockR]

You love to lather up other coaches and make excuses for them. Yet, you think that what Ash inherited was some sort of equal or better situation?
Facts are Facts.
2013: 8-5/4-4 Kill
2014: 8-5/5-3 Kill
2015: 2-6/6-7 Kill/Claeys
2016: 9-4/5-4
Row the Boat
2017: 5-7/2-7
2018: 7-6/3-6 Bowl Win over crappy Georgia Tech. Pounded by Illinois and a weak Nebraska team.

you must be day drinking if you are complaining about Fleck beating,Purdue,Wisconsin,Ga Tech and Indiana and having an improved 7-6 record in year #2 while Asherror cant beat Buffalo and went 0 for the entire B10.
yup 5-7 and 7-6 showing improvement,building a program...imagine that beating power five schools,winning B10 games,getting to a bowl game in year two??
Who would want that..right Shifty?
..BTW..Ash is NEVER doing that.

 

[Knight Shift]

Great post

Sounds like a Fleck towel boy

#FleckError?

 

[BlockR]

asherror :7 wins. 24 loss.
3. B10 wins 24 loss. in THREE seasons.
Fleck:carrer record as HC 42-35.
12 wins 13 losses in two seasons at Minny.
Ash would receive a 10 year extension from Hobbs if he attained 12 wins in two seasons.

 

[RUonBrain]

asherror :7 wins. 24 loss.
3. B10 wins 24 loss. in THREE seasons.
Fleck:carrer record as HC 42-35.
12 wins 13 losses in two seasons at Minny.
Ash would receive a 10 year extension from Hobbs if he attained 12 wins in two seasons.

Wahh wahh wahh

 

[knight82]

Personally do I like Fleck?
No. I think he's an asshole.

Would I take him over Ash as our coach?

In a heartbeat

 

[MOBFreehold]

Fleck went 5-7 year one at Gophers then 7-6 last season.Thats improvement and winning B10 games.
There is no comparison to Ash won loss record and how its trending as a B10 coach vrs Fleck.Thats pretty good trend for a 'flash in pan' who has produced ranked team at mid major level and in year two is above 500 in B10.
You wouldn't sign up for that at RU?
IF you say no,you are LYING.

And you truly believe that if Minnesota was in the B1G East he would still have that or a similar record?
Let's look a bit further Who took over the more successful/ More talent laden program? Ash or Fleck? Fleck has won with another coaches players let's see if he improves as he starts fielding all guys he has reccruited

 

[Knight Shift]

Not first time KILL has done this .He was just blasted on ESPN radio for being classless.
here he rips another Gophers move and school.
Bad look.
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...ch-jerry-kill-rips-school-firing-tracy-claeys

Well, in this ESPN piece, the commentator took Kill's side.
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...-jerry-kill-criticizes-current-coach-pj-fleck

 

[Laurentdalmeida]

really fleck won with another coach players? you might want to look at the facts of who played for gophers last season. all fleck guys maybe besde 5 . beside players are coming out in support of fleck such as this b Coughlin.
Carter Coughlin‏@Cmoe34 48m48 minutes ago




Just for the record - I absolutely love playing for Coach Fleck, EVERY day I see how much he cares about me and the entire team, and there are honestly few men I’ve met who I respect as much as Coach Fleck. Some people need to hear that!

 

[e5fdny]

Who is this guy?

 

[Knight Shift]

Who is this guy?

https://gophersports.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=1060

6'4" 245. Better not fight with him.

 

[BlockR]

Ash wont win 12 games possibly in his whole RU Coaching tenure.Fleck has 12 in two years and a Bowl win..another thing Asherror will never accomplish.
Career Record: 3 Years, 7-29, .194 Win%
If Fleck was here,instead of Ash,nobody would be complaining.
Jerry Kill needs to stay in his lane.

 

[BlockR]

I’d gladly take the douchiest coach in the world if it meant getting wins!

kinda ..like this guy?

 

[BlockR]

You love to lather up other coaches and make excuses for them. Yet, you think that what Ash inherited was some sort of equal or better situation?
Facts are Facts.
2013: 8-5/4-4 Kill
2014: 8-5/5-3 Kill
2015: 2-6/6-7 Kill/Claeys
2016: 9-4/5-4
Row the Boat
2017: 5-7/2-7
2018: 7-6/3-6 Bowl Win over crappy Georgia Tech. Pounded by Illinois and a weak Nebraska team.

fake news in 2011 he won 3 games..
2012 he won 6 games.
so Fleck has won 12 games in his first two seasons while Kill won 9..
Guess you just left those years off your post Shifty..and cherry picked?

 

[Knight Shift]

fake news in 2011 he won 3 games..
2012 he won 6 games.
so Fleck has won 12 games in his first two seasons while Kill won 9..
Guess you just left those years off your post Shifty..and cherry picked?

No dipshit, it was to show he inherited a winning team with two 9 win seasons that preceded his arrival, as opposed to a program that with in shambles, with multiple players dismissed or left the program. Quite the difference taking over a winning program from Jerry Kill that he had built up from taking over a program that Kyle Flood destroyed. You really are dense, aren't you?