That seems to be the message of a decision by a Federal judge in Tennessee. Vanderbilt QB Diego Pavia, who played his first year at New Mexico Military Institute, brought suit claiming that the NCAA rule counting his junior college time against his four years of eligibility is an antitrust violation. The judge gave him a preliminary injunction and so he will be able to play this year. Perhaps the House v. NCAA settlement will be re-opened to address this issue, but there's no way of knowing if or how. The link is, unfortunately, behind a paywall.https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/60...erbilt-qb-diego-pavia-preliminary-injunction/
Junior College may no longer count against 4-year eligibility limit
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Horribly constructed sentence: "Pavia initially sought a temporary restraining order in hopes of having his eligibility restored prior to the transfer portal opening on Dec. 9. Judge William Campbell Jr. denied that request granted Pavia an injunction Wednesday."
Interesting reported reasoning and a comically bad reply by the NCAA--your thoughts?
In his ruling Wednesday, Campbell Jr. determined that Pavia met the threshold for an injunction by presenting evidence that the NCAA’s juco rule harms competition in the labor market for Division I college football players.
“This Rule gives a competitive advantage to NCAA Division I member schools over junior colleges – and thus the football players at each level – even though they are treated the same in terms of eligibility,” Campbell Jr. wrote.
In its defense, the NCAA raised alarm that a ruling for Pavia “could ultimately lead to stripping college athletics of its defining feature – that it is played by student-athletes.” Campbell Jr. disagreed. “This does not mean the NCAA cannot impose eligibility rules, only that those rules will be subject to further scrutiny to determine whether they are an undue restraint on trade.”
Just when you think no other stupid things can happen in the sport......
Although the NCAA saying the rulings would strip " college athletics of its defining feature-That it is played by student athletes" is pretty comical, because with NIL that ship has long sailed.
Although the NCAA saying the rulings would strip " college athletics of its defining feature-That it is played by student athletes" is pretty comical, because with NIL that ship has long sailed.
College sports are in a downward spiral. Are there any age limits? If not, the JUCOs will be true minor leagues and we may see some players in their 30s. And if it’s a “labor market” than why aren’t athletes considered employees, unionizing, and all the other labor market stuff?
harms competition in the labor market for Division I college football players
This is going to make junior college jobs much more lucrative.
This is already what happens in ice hockey. Average incoming freshman has already played 5 years in HS and 2 years in the juniors before starting college at 21 YO.
eg:
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Nick Roukounakis (7) Forward - BEFORE BOSTON UNIVERSITY Played the past two seasons with the Tri-City Storm of the USHL … Totaled 16 points (7g, 9a) with Tri-City
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Just wait until the JUCOs start pushing for transfer fees and take a % of the NIL deals their athletes get when getting picked up by D1 schools.
The next step is essentially going to be high level D1 programs incorporating JUCO programs and paying the staffs there to be a farm team for that D1 program. You have 3-4 years in JUCO to prove you move up to the "varsity" program.
Schools with sprint football used to do that for WRs, DBs, and specialists quite regularly.
That’s exactly what’s going to happen. This was recruiting back in 70’s and 80’s. Johnny majors made this an art form. Would bring in so many recruits he couldn’t house them all in campus so he would place the academically challenged at jucos and military prep schools. All being paid by boosters. There were rumors that he had more than 175 players on scholarship at Pitt before limits.
This is the end of high school recruiting beyond 4-5 stars. Going forward there will be 1-2 year mercenaries coming from the portal.
It is interesting because what is now being actually allowed is stuff that has been happening behind the curtain for years. It is what it is, and grow or die for coaches and programs.
Not necessarily true. For that to happen we would need many, many more JUCO programs and the funding for those programs.
Not saying they are flowing to juco and that’s all. If you are running a program. Are you taking a proven commodity at lower level program (AAC/Mac/sun belt FCS)/juco (Texas Kansas Iowa level jucos) 20/21 years old with 2 years experience or a 3 star 18 year old directly from high school? I know I wouldn’t be wasting much of my resources on anything but 4-5 stars or 20year olds.
Who knows we may see more county colleges bringing back sports. County College of Morris used to have powerhouse baseball and soccer programs.
Oof…you are probably right as I know in wrestling the kids that age out go to PA for senior year.
As this is written it seems like it creates a massive incentive for JUCOs to essentially be treated as JV teams for everyone else.
If I’m a mid 3 star or below there’s also a lot of incentive for the individual to go JUCO first. Grow, mature, work on your game , get school credits out of the way and then you can cash in on NIL with a higher starting value and potentially get paid much much more for all 4 years
If I’m a mid 3 star or below there’s also a lot of incentive for the individual to go JUCO first. Grow, mature, work on your game , get school credits out of the way and then you can cash in on NIL with a higher starting value and potentially get paid much much more for all 4 years
Some places. I fear it will be the norm. All signs are pointing this direction.
Drinkwits has been outspoken.
It seems to me that everyone but the superstars will start at junior colleges to reap more NIL and to get two years of physical maturing and training. The junior colleges will have to start paying players (just as everyone else will starting next year) or else they too will be liable to an antitrust suit.
UNC, NC St. and Duke used to do it at the old NAIA North Carolina schools, Elon, Gardener Webb and Catawba. On a recruiting trip, I meet a lot of guys who were essentially playing a grey shirt year at these schools.
If JUCOs are not a member of the NCAA then it wouldn't make sense that activities completed outside the NCAA system count towards NCAA eligibility.
HS football isn't part of the NCAA. Should those years count?
It's also funny the NCAA quote about student-athletes. Are they trying to say graduate students aren't actually students?
Is someone in a 2 year graduate program only a "student" for the 1st year? They suddenly aren't a student anymore in their 6th year?
HS football isn't part of the NCAA. Should those years count?
It's also funny the NCAA quote about student-athletes. Are they trying to say graduate students aren't actually students?
Is someone in a 2 year graduate program only a "student" for the 1st year? They suddenly aren't a student anymore in their 6th year?
The JUCO talent pool isn’t so deep to significantly reduce HS D1 recruit opportunities. And how many kids go JUCO because academics are keeping them out of West Virginia, LSU, etc?
Regardless, raising the schollie limit to 90 would more than eliminate any effect on HS athlete D1 recruiting.
Regardless, raising the schollie limit to 90 would more than eliminate any effect on HS athlete D1 recruiting.
I think we will see a huge number of kids take advantage of this in many sports. I already am talking to coaches this morning about the implications.
I think the limit is going to 105 for football but you don’t have to necessarily use all 105.
It seems to me that almost every high school kid is going to want to go the JUCO route as a way of making more money and as a way of getting additional training. The more kids there are playing four-year college ball who start at 20, the more kids will want to start in JUCO so that the kids in four year college ball won't have a two year advantage over them in experience and physical maturation. That would certainly be a transformation of college ball; I'm not as convinced as you are that it is a win-win.
We should take a poll and see how many people know who Ben Mauk is and how many years he actually played and what his nickname was.
No cheating.
Ben Mauk? Small potatoes these days.
Cam Rising has been granted an 8th year of eligibility. He and Trevor Lawrence started college in the same year.
Shelby is usually good at the this, but is coming up empty on his nickname. Must be a joke nickname given by others and not a real one.
What's the downside?
That some kids are a little older.
NCAA already grants extra years of eligibility for medical reasons.
So a precedent is set "as long as your still a student you can still be eligible".
What's is matter if someone starts that eligibility a little later?
If someone take a year to travel Europe, that's not counting.
Chris Weinke took a couple years off before enrolling in college.
