His film looks good, but remember he will be kicking from 5-yards back so those kick-off will be landing at the front of the end zone. Also if you look at the KO they are line drives, he will need to get a bit more loft. FG were mostly inside 40 yrds. I think he is a solid PWO and will need to develop a bit to become "the man. Hopefully he earns the scholarship in camp or after frosh year.
kicking committ!!
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So i should just jump on board and say why didnt they give him a scholarship? I am looking at possible reasons, and I said his film "looks good". So no clue why you now need to criticize my view? Give me an idea why you think we should jump and give him a scholarship? What stood out to you mr positive?
I normally agree with your posts, but where do you get "those kick-off will be landing at the front of the end zone"? Isn't the end zone 10 yards deep? On several of the kicks (did not watch every single one-but see 2:20), they were at the back or out of the end zone. That would put kicks from the 35 in the middle of the end zone. I also did not see any line drives, as most of the ones I watched were off the top of the frame of the screen. Am I missing something?
Agreed, i watched three minutes of kickoff and most landed deep in the endZone or behind the endZone...not sure what RUTix hudl film was watching...if anything MAYBE the field goals at the beginning were more line drives (most not having height higher than the goal posts) but that is digging deep...lets not over analyze PWO kickers, wouldn't be surprised to see a second PWO kicker brought on.
Yeh i don't disagree with what you are saying, I saw some go through as well. I just think our staff made a good decision offering PWO, vs scholarship, and maybe that is what they are looking to see? Can he get more elevation on KO and can he go deeper? No knocks on him, just taking the PWO side vs ship in this discussion.
Thanks for comment, I try to stay in the moderate zone here and not go extreme to either side.
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Smolar's Stats:
http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/jared-smolar/RmevsfTxEeKZ5AAmVebBJg/gendersport/football-stats.htm
GP KO Yds Avg. Lng TB
15-16 Senior Varsity 10 50 2682 53.6 60 30
It looks like the stat for Long may not include his kicks out of the end zone or to the back of the end zones, since several were out of or to the back of the end zone. His long field goal was 52 yards.
http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/jared-smolar/RmevsfTxEeKZ5AAmVebBJg/gendersport/football-stats.htm
GP KO Yds Avg. Lng TB
15-16 Senior Varsity 10 50 2682 53.6 60 30
It looks like the stat for Long may not include his kicks out of the end zone or to the back of the end zones, since several were out of or to the back of the end zone. His long field goal was 52 yards.
Field goals HUDL:
52 yds. 40 yds. 35 yds. 37 yds.25 yds. 25 yds.
KO's HUDL:
all #'s are depth in endzone
5 yds. 3 yds. 10 yds. 3 yds. 5 yds. 4yds. 10 yds. 15 yds. 10 yds. 8 yds. 12 yds. 8 yds. 11 yds.
I agree he will need more elevation, that's where coaching will come in.
Jared Smolar stats:
GP KO Yds Avg Lng TB
10 50 2682 53.6 60 30 last seasons stats
FG's was 8 for 15 53%
Just pointing out drop 5 yrds from each of those, combine it with a line drive and you have returnable kcks, and yes I agree that is where coaching will come in. Looking forward to him contributing!
It seems clear that we have learned that Ash's view / policy is to go PWO for kickers - and if they work out well in real college game play - a scholarship goes on the table.
For Ash, it does not seem to revolve around the finer points of the kicker's high school game performances or distance kicking contests - it is basically:
come as a PWO , win the job & deliver results -
and in the future Ash is not going to be sitting down with Vince Okruch and struggling with a 'do we' or 'don't we' question regarding offering individual High School kids a free ride..... unless there is some incredible can't miss phenom who can kick 70 yard field goals.
..... Okruch made a legitimate effort to hold on to Barbir & Ash was willing to honor the scholarship offer that Flood had made - but when Barbir flipped there was no enormous sorrow - and the thinking then went back to Ash's fundamental strategic view on kicking scholarships - it became a scholarship that did not have to be spent at this time.
Watching a highlight film doesn't tell fans what will happen under the pressure of kicking in college games.There is a lot of idle time before a kicker comes on the playing field.Some will react better than others and be productive performers as freshmen.What we do know is that the punting/kicking game is important in regard to field position and adding points to the scoreboard .Time will tell how well this recruit will perform.
His #7 national rank as a kicker, and his #12 national rank as a punter. I saw how quick his FG's elevated from the ground, a great indicator of FG's not getting blocked, and the fact he has a solid build, which hopefully should translate to less chance of injury. He can replace 2 spots with one scholarship if in fact he works out and earns one, which I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts he does earn one.
Interesting question, Rivals showed his Purdue recruiter as none other than Jafar Williams!
Just the opposite. I'm trying to figure out what film you were watching (hence the "thumbs down" lol...). KO's deep into the end zone will still make it into the end zone, and he'll just get stronger, also didn't appear to have a "line drive" issue.
Seems like they were going halfway in, but no issues with the kid or saying he wont develop, just was supporting the pwo status versus schollie discussion? Did you see enough to think he should have been given a scholarship in that video? The schollie vs pwo is my point.
So you are saying the video you saw supports a scholarship?
Not ganging up here, I just don't think you can determine that a kicker is deserving of a scholarship vs a PWO based on his highlight video...how do you know he doesn't have more than his fair share of kickoffs out of bounds?
Again, I'm curious how coaching staffs determine who is worthy of a schollie and who is a PWO...I'm sure it's a case by case, year by year basis...
I've also read that Barbir is big and athletic enough to play some DB and is routinely the guy on special teams making tackles when necessary, maybe that factored in to Flood and then Ash's decision...
Pretty stupid to put that here, welcome him, talk about his game...but no need for that.
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Assuming Chris Ash will adopt Urban Meyer's special teams strategy, the kicker wants to kick the ball into the left corner at the 2 yard line. This encourages a return and with good coverage the return won't go past the 15-20 yard line, giving a huge advantage in field position.
Sorry if this was asked and answered, but what's the "commitment" status of a PWO?
Is there a Letter of Intent - or something similar - involved? Or can he flip between now and the start of the season?
Can he transfer without sitting out a year if he chooses to after the end of this season (assuming he doesn't accept a ship from Rutgers)?
Maybe I'm just shell-shocked from the constant barrage of flips we have had to endure lately, but this almost seems too good to be true.
Is there a Letter of Intent - or something similar - involved? Or can he flip between now and the start of the season?
Can he transfer without sitting out a year if he chooses to after the end of this season (assuming he doesn't accept a ship from Rutgers)?
Maybe I'm just shell-shocked from the constant barrage of flips we have had to endure lately, but this almost seems too good to be true.
Barbir is big and athletic enough to play some DB - not sure where you read that he played any significant time at on defense have not seen anything indicating that he has recorded any tackles.
Alex Daniel Barbir - South Forsyth High School Cumming, GA
is listed as being anywhere from 5' 9" to 5' 10" and 175lb to 195lb
while
Jared Smolar - Valparaiso High Varsity Football, Valparaiso, IN
is listed as being 5' 11" and 200lb to 215lb
They may both be athletic - but Smolar is a bit bigger - but probably not so much that it would make an appreciable difference
I don't believe so. Really no reason they can't talk about them now but maybe Ash, and/or other coaches, prefer to wait until they're on campus. Who knows?
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