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[Caliknight]

Inglewood is a small area. It has a population of just over 110,000 people. It isn't a downtown that would need multiple projects to make a difference.

A project of this magnitude would very much make an epicenter of commerce and regentrification.

 

[LevaosLectures]

Inglewood is a small area. It has a population of just over 110,000 people. It isn't a downtown that would need multiple projects to make a difference.

A project of this magnitude would very much make an epicenter of commerce and regentrification.

What are you pals with the developer? Only a rube of the first order would buy this garbage.

 

[Caliknight]

Yea, on second thought. You are right.

Let's leave the open eye sore and wretched "casino". Certainly a much better option.

 

[RU Husky]

Good flyover views of the area on approach into LAX. I liked going to Hollywood Racetrack and The Forum before it fell into disrepair. Can traffic on the 405 get any worse? Are they planning any mass transit rail lines to this new entertainment Mecca?

 

[LevaosLectures]

Yea, on second thought. You are right.

Let's leave the open eye sore and wretched "casino". Certainly a much better option.

Look I'm just saying temper your expectations. Developers are notorious bullshitters. Good rule of thumb is whatever they pitch, divide by ten.

 

[Caliknight]

You aren't the only person on the planet or in this thread with development experience.

 

[LevaosLectures]

You aren't the only person on the planet or in this thread with development experience.

Well if you have evidence that a sports venue is good for economic revitalization, I'd like to see it. It might be a nice flashy palace of neon consumerist junk for rich people to see and be seen, but there is no precedent for it doing what you think it will do. Inglewood saw and economic boost when the Lakers LEFT.

 

[RUinPAC10land]

Good flyover views of the area on approach into LAX. I liked going to Hollywood Racetrack and The Forum before it fell into disrepair. Can traffic on the 405 get any worse? Are they planning any mass transit rail lines to this new entertainment Mecca?

Good Lord, I don't even want to think about the 110 and the 5 on sundays starting this September. They're going to be playing at the Colisseum until the new stadium is built.

 

[RU Husky]

Good Lord, I don't even want to think about the 110 and the 5 on sundays starting this September. They're going to be playing at the Colisseum until the new stadium is built.

That's why I had a hard time understanding the Staples Center location to begin with. Just gotta hope that the Kings and Lakers don't schedule too many Sunday home games when the Rams play up the street.

 

[Mike from MD]

It will help do what LA Live/Staples did for downtown.

I imagine there will be lots of construction on and around the 405 that will make a trip to LAX more miserable than usual. Hello Bob Hope Airport!

 

[hinson32]

They survive Saturdays with SC drawing 80K. Why will Sundays be any different?

 

[lawmatt78]

Count me as doubtful that a stadium complex will rejuvenate an otherwise downtrodden place. Such a project might work in a real downtown that's already on the way back up but that does not describe Inglewood.

I haven't reviewed this plan yet, but in general, stadiums are not very effective tools for revitalization. Generally, there is minimal economic spillover because the patrons drive there, watch the game, and then drive home.

However, a project that involves more than just a stadium and/or is correctly located/utilized could potentially have a substantial impact.

In general, a downtown/urban area is going to have more spillover, but only if it's used often enough so that surrounding businesses benefit more than a few days a year.

The typical model - i.e., a stadium in a sea of parking - is not the way to go, if the intent is to revitalize an area.

The tax/revenue situation is, of course, another matter. If the revenue does come in, it depends how it's allocated.

 

[raritan1]

I wasn't aware that there are so many successful real estate developers populating this board.

 

[RU Husky]

I haven't reviewed this plan yet, but in general, stadiums are not very effective tools for revitalization. Generally, there is minimal economic spillover because the patrons drive there, watch the game, and then drive home.

However, a project that involves more than just a stadium and/or is correctly located/utilized could potentially have a substantial impact.

In general, a downtown/urban area is going to have more spillover, but only if it's used often enough so that surrounding businesses benefit more than a few days a year.

The typical model - i.e., a stadium in a sea of parking - is not the way to go, if the intent is to revitalize an area.

The tax/revenue situation is, of course, another matter. If the revenue does come in, it depends how it's allocated.

Maybe they're going to copy Xanadu

 

[Caliknight]

Well if you have evidence that a sports venue is good for economic revitalization, I'd like to see it. It might be a nice flashy palace of neon consumerist junk for rich people to see and be seen, but there is no precedent for it doing what you think it will do. Inglewood saw and economic boost when the Lakers LEFT.

You apparently aren't educated on the project. It isn't just a "sports venue". You essentially arguing that retail space along with housing are horrible for the economy.

If you drove around the Forum after the Lakers left, you wouldn't be using that as some sort of aspiration.

 

[Caliknight]

I imagine there will be lots of construction on and around the 405 that will make a trip to LAX more miserable than usual. Hello Bob Hope Airport!

Agree with that! BHA is the best airport in the world, at least public one. For one reason- ease.

 

[32Mine]

Jon Arnett was one of my favorite players as a kid. Was there a better name for a quarterback than Roman Gabriel?

 

[NotInRHouse]

The difference is that DTLA has relatively good PT from a SoCal perspective. It also is walkable. And isn't right next to LAX. Inglewood is chop shops and chain stores. It is going to take a lot more initiative and a lot of earmuffs.

 

[NotInRHouse]

It's about time the NFL expanded outside of the U.S. Maybe Canada is next.

I think the NFL has an agreement, even if it is a gentleman's agreement, with the CFL, to not move to Canada. Toronto is the 4th or 5th most populous metro area in North America...it is very wealthy compared to a lot of NFL cities and has a pro team in every other sport...so if I had to guess, that agreement is the ONLY thing keeping them out of Toronto. Had it been someone not Pegula who bought the Bills it's a discussion they almost definitely would have had because right now the NFL is just leaving money on the table.

The most populous...Mexico City...but there are geographic, linguistic, safety, and financial considerations there.

 

[Caliknight]

No one is saying it will turn Inglewood into Beverly Hills. But it's a good start.

Real Estate is at a premium here. Tear downs 5 miles from there are going for $1MM. There are tons of companies in El Segundo which is even closer.

Like I said, the City of Inglewood is just over 110,000 people. This will have a massive effect one way or the other, and from reading about the plans, I'm guessing other. Words I keep hearing are Grove meet Stadium. If so, they aren't going to build cheap apartments and have retailers like 99 Cent Store to immediately surround this incredible stadium.

I'm thinking of taking a flier on a place there just because.

 

[RUInsanity]

Enjoy a Stadium where they will very likely outlaw Tailgating.

 

[Caliknight]

The difference is that DTLA has relatively good PT from a SoCal perspective. It also is walkable. And isn't right next to LAX. Inglewood is chop shops and chain stores. It is going to take a lot more initiative and a lot of earmuffs.

What's PT mean?

 

[Caliknight]

Enjoy a Stadium where they will very likely outlaw Tailgating.

Actually they are planning for it. This ain't New Jersey.

http://www.losangelesfootballstadium.com/tailgating.html

 

[valkabit]

Will never give up on Rutgers but the Rams moving to LA, Jerry's bonehead ego and his reluctance to draft a qb really makes me intrigued to give up on the Cowboys. Nevertheless, I am very happy to have the NFL back in LA although the Rams were in St Louis when I moved here.

How the hell does anyone not from TX follow those assholes?

 

[NotInRHouse]

What's PT mean?

Public transit (in this case Union Station)

 

[Caliknight]

Ahhh. Inglewood has a Metro stop for people wanting to use the system. Undoubtedly that was considered.

It should also be noted that downtown was basically Inglewood on a bigger scale 15 years ago. No one there for anything unless you were a member of the Jonathon Club or went to USC.

The biggest thing that turned it around? Yep, a sports venue and retail space- Staples and then LA Live. Everything built out from there. Here is a good article on it.

The same architects are being used for the stadium. Done right, which all signs are pointing to, the same will happen in Inglewood. And it will happen a lot faster given the much smaller size and population of it.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303532704579477374278821010

 

[PhDKnight]

Well if you have evidence that a sports venue is good for economic revitalization, I'd like to see it. It might be a nice flashy palace of neon consumerist junk for rich people to see and be seen, but there is no precedent for it doing what you think it will do. Inglewood saw and economic boost when the Lakers LEFT.

Here in San Diego, Petco Park definitely has played a large role in making downtown what it is and what it will be. Growth is still happening because of the stadium. Blocks that were once homeless camps are now home to high rise luxury condos.

To that point, although baseball is not as popular as sport as football, I would guess that it is a bigger economic driver and new baseball stadiums warrant more public support than new football stadiums.

 

[BuckRU]

Can we please get a roof like that over HPS Stadium? Get some big donors on the horn!

 

[brgossRU90]

Arenas are probably much better than football stadiums at bringing people and economic activity. They are used frequently, especially if they have both a basketball and a hockey team, and they can host concerts. Football stadiums get used too infrequently and only for 4 months out of the year.

 

[SkilletHead2]

I heard it's going to have a Subway RIGHT IN THE STADIUM!

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

No one in LA is that stupid. Or anywhere else in the world for that matter.

You say that now, but pretty much this LA "much, much more than a stadium" is the same thing. Stadium plus shopping. So really, its nothing new. It looks really cool, granted, but its just a place to spend money, same thing they are doing everywhere else. And if the politicians are as corrupt as they are in New jersey, another Xanadu is certainly possible. People seem to forget that Xanadu worked out just fine for a lot of people.

I wonder what the involvement of the Olympic people are. I didn't read the article all the way through, but it seems like they have designs on using this facility to get the Olympics back to LA.

 

[RUinPAC10land]

You say that now, but pretty much this LA "much, much more than a stadium" is the same thing. Stadium plus shopping. So really, its nothing new. It looks really cool, granted, but its just a place to spend money, same thing they are doing everywhere else. And if the politicians are as corrupt as they are in New jersey, another Xanadu is certainly possible. People seem to forget that Xanadu worked out just fine for a lot of people.

I wonder what the involvement of the Olympic people are. I didn't read the article all the way through, but it seems like they have designs on using this facility to get the Olympics back to LA.

Oh please no Olympics! Traffic just can't get any worse! I actually wish that only the Rams were coming.

 

[bitnez]

St Louis was a losing proposition for the second the Rams went there. The lease guaranteed the Rams a top 25% stadium, i.e., one of the top 8. The dome was obsolete from the second it opened. Rams never would have gone there without favorable lease

 

[PatrickRU92]

Agree with that! BHA is the best airport in the world, at least public one. For one reason- ease.

Couldn't agree more. Burbank is 20 minutes from my house. Parking is cheap. Takes literally 3 minutes to get through security. The only problem is no non stops to EWR ugh.

 

[Caliknight]

You say that now, but pretty much this LA "much, much more than a stadium" is the same thing. Stadium plus shopping. So really, its nothing new. It looks really cool, granted, but its just a place to spend money, same thing they are doing everywhere else. And if the politicians are as corrupt as they are in New jersey, another Xanadu is certainly possible. People seem to forget that Xanadu worked out just fine for a lot of people.

I wonder what the involvement of the Olympic people are. I didn't read the article all the way through, but it seems like they have designs on using this facility to get the Olympics back to LA.

Not even close to Xanadu. Nothing is. What an eye sore in the middle of wasteland.

And you are forgetting the living space. And no, the corruption here pales in comparison to what you would find in NJ. It exists, but not at that level.

The best part? This is not being funded by the public, which meas two things. Much less chance for corruption. Much better chance of getting it right.

I hear a lot of misinformed opinions from naysayers who haven't even read about the project. Bizarre. This isn't NJ. Don't look at it through that lens.

 

[Caliknight]

Couldn't agree more. Burbank is 20 minutes from my house. Parking is cheap. Takes literally 3 minutes to get through security. The only problem is no non stops to EWR ugh.

Yea, the flights are somewhat limited. If it is an option, I'll do a quick layover in Phoenix or Vegas to avoid LAX. Lax was great when I lived in Manhattan, but no longer. I avoid it whenever possible.

 

[RUInsanity]

Actually they are planning for it. This ain't New Jersey.

http://www.losangelesfootballstadium.com/tailgating.html

Not sure what you mean about "New Jersey". Tailgating has never been outlawed for the Giants/Jets nor will it ever likely be outlawed. The conduct in the lots and at these games is pretty tame compared to many other venues around the country.

By contrast - Tailgating has been outlawed and enforced by the LAPD at Dodgers games. In spite of the nice little marketing tool web link you provided - good luck longer term with sustained legal tailgating once the stadium is in place.

 

[Caliknight]

Tailgating was outlawed at the Super Bowl I went to in NJ. So yea, it has been.

So now you are saying they are going to allow it then outlaw it. Ok...

 

[NotInRHouse]

The issue with Xanadu is that the infrastructure is just not there. Ask the people stuck after the Super Bowl.

 

[Caliknight]

I was one of those people. And I left at the end of the 3rd quarter. Xanadu should be knocked down. It's hideous and a blight on NJ.

As I overheard someone say walking into the game, "what the hell is that?"