Laviano ranked #4 qb in Big Ten
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2015 Big Ten College Football Individual Statistics Leaders for Passing - ESPN
(9)Chris Laviano, QB
http://espn.go.com/college-football/conferences/statistics/player/_/id/5/big-ten-conference
2015 Big Ten College Football Individual Statistics Leaders for Passing - ESPN
(9)Chris Laviano, QB
http://espn.go.com/college-football/conferences/statistics/player/_/id/5/big-ten-conference
Not sure dinking and dunking and low risk low reward play is the goal. Outside of a worn down NSU team, it certainly isn't putting points on the board.
Guess Ohio State has a couple of QB's that suck then...
If the run game could get going, this is all you need. We don't need 20 yards every play, just pick up first downs, and short passes do that
Indeed, the run game needs to be better. But guess what helps the run game? Being able to make defenses pay for stacking the box. That falls on the oline and the qb. Neither has shown what it takes to put the defense on their heels.
The eye test is easy. When Laviano has time, watch his throws then compare them to other QB's. Forget Rettig for a second, even though it is obvious with him too.
There is a very clear, noticeable difference between the trajectory of Laviano's throws, even intermediate, and those of a number of other D1 qb's. The added time it takes to get passes cause for less chances for yac, and have the defense unafraid to press forward, which we saw Penn St. do all game. They were daring Laviano to go over the top. We didn't even try it once.
Speaking of, completion or not, let's see him take a drop and air one out to Agudosi. If nothing else, the D will at least have to think that we are looking at making them pay for being so aggressive. The question is, will that slow them down or give them even more confidence in stacking?
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Let's see where he rates after we play MSU/Michigan/OSU/Wiscy/Nebraska. I'm putting ZERO stock into his play against an FCS team and a putrid Wazzou D. His QB rating, vs PSU, was abysmal.
What was he in the Norfolk game? 4 for 4 with 3 tds? If you drop that game (I've been told we can't read anything into Rettig's stats, so let's throw them all out), he's 50 for for 71 with 1 TD, 3 ints, 455 yards. Still great completition %, but everything else sucks. If people want to support CL, I suggest they stick to the existing threads and stop creating new ones where they cherry pick a stat or two. Doing so just invites the other side to pile on with all the reasons why it doesn't hold up.
How many sacks would PSU have had if Rettig was in there?
Our OL was terrible against PSU see rushing yds and all the scramble by Laviano.
We started on the 1, 2, 10 ,10, 15 yd lines on 5 of the first 8 possessions. Horrible starting position.
Our DL did noting against PSU, no rush D and no pass D.
Improved OL, DL play and better starting field position would have helped Laviano. No QB could have won that game against PSU. See Oliver Luck and his play last week.
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If Laviano was putting points on the board in the first half of WSU or points on the board at all against Penn State, people would be fine with him even if he never attempted a pass longer than 10 yards. It would be nice to see some long passes in the gameplan, but points are what counts.
If it wasn't for Grant's special team scores, the offense would have a pitiful amount of points for a two-game stretch. Why people think it's ok to just let him learn on the job while the season goes down the drain is beyond me. We were told it was a close QB competition. Wouldn't that lend itself to seeing what the other guy could do if the starter struggles?
Against WSU -- 2 field goals in the first half, 1 passing td and 1 running td.
Against PSU -- 1 field goal
That is hardly the type of production to keep someone as the starter when you're talking about two games RU needed to win to have a realistic chance for a bowl game.
Posters have told you why he is in there time after time. You just don't pay any attention. You are too busy lamenting the fact that Rettig isn't playing.
As far as "cherry-picking" stats, this is a pretty good one. It impressed me.
I like Rettig just as good as Laviano, but fortunately the coaches do not make their decisions based on what I say. I say that not because I am a Laviano fan, but because any coach is going to have more experience and a larger data base to judge this type of thing than 98.6% of the posters on this board.
Cherry pick my balls.
I just went to the ESPN site and checked out their rankings after three games. Then I thought I'd share this info with people here. I've done it in previous seasons. It's not like I didn't expect some dumbass responses from the usual dopes. They did the same thing for Nova. It doesn't bother me.
That doesn't mean anything. Maybe Ohio State would be better with Laviano. Maybe not. Maybe if you put any of Ohio State's QB's on this current Rutgers team, they wouldn't look as good. We'll never know for sure.
If Rettig was playing he would not only be rated #1 in the B1G, he would be rated #1 in the entire world! And we are settling for the #4 QB. The coaches just want us to lose, that is why they won't put Rettig in.
Umm, pretty sure there isn't a person alive who thinks Ohio St would be better with Laviano at QB. If you honestly think that is even possible, I don't know what games you are watching.
Rettig would probably be #1 with a score so high they'd have to create a new scoring system.
Total QBR:
2015 Big Ten Conference Leaders
RK PLAYER PASS EPA RUN EPA SACK EPA PEN EPA TOTAL EPA ACT PLAYS RAW QBR TOTAL QBR
1 Connor Cook, MSU 19.2 -0.0 -1.1 2.9 20.9 102 88.7 87.0
2 Joel Stave, WIS 10.5 1.5 -2.1 1.2 11.0 95 76.5 80.4
3 Tommy Armstrong Jr., NEB 14.4 0.8 -2.0 -0.4 12.8 88 79.6 78.4
4 Tommy Armstrong Jr., NEB 16.8 2.4 -3.4 -0.7 15.3 150 72.9 78.1
5 C.J. Beathard, IOWA 14.1 9.6 -3.2 -0.6 20.0 120 79.9 76.2
6 Cardale Jones, OSU 3.6 2.7 -1.3 1.4 6.4 79 60.8 72.0
7 Nate Sudfeld, IND 19.6 -0.5 -0.4 1.9 20.7 116 79.7 71.0
8 Wes Lunt, ILL 5.9 0.0 0.0 0.8 6.6 109 61.3 52.0
9 Clayton Thorson, NW -0.3 4.7 -2.0 0.1 2.6 90 45.8 48.8
10 Chris Laviano, RUTG 6.2 -2.3 -1.4 -0.8 2.0 100 44.7 46.0
RK PLAYER PASS EPA RUN EPA SACK EPA PEN EPA TOTAL EPA ACT PLAYS RAW QBR TOTAL QBR
11 Mitch Leidner, MINN 6.8 -2.9 -5.2 -0.4 -1.7 147 34.8 43.5
12 Austin Appleby, PUR 3.3 -0.5 -4.2 2.4 0.9 156 39.5 40.4
13 Perry Hills, MD 1.0 4.8 0.0 -0.1 5.8 63 62.3 39.2
14 Jake Rudock, MICH 2.0 -0.9 -1.8 -0.6 -1.3 113 34.3 36.9
15 Christian Hackenberg, PSU -1.6 0.1 -4.7 -0.2 -6.4 100 21.3 20.6
Glossary
That includes game against NSU, a glorified scrimmage. Without he is #12.
2015 Big Ten Conference Leaders
RK PLAYER PASS EPA RUN EPA SACK EPA PEN EPA TOTAL EPA ACT PLAYS RAW QBR TOTAL QBR
1 Connor Cook, MSU 19.2 -0.0 -1.1 2.9 20.9 102 88.7 87.0
2 Joel Stave, WIS 10.5 1.5 -2.1 1.2 11.0 95 76.5 80.4
3 Tommy Armstrong Jr., NEB 14.4 0.8 -2.0 -0.4 12.8 88 79.6 78.4
4 Tommy Armstrong Jr., NEB 16.8 2.4 -3.4 -0.7 15.3 150 72.9 78.1
5 C.J. Beathard, IOWA 14.1 9.6 -3.2 -0.6 20.0 120 79.9 76.2
6 Cardale Jones, OSU 3.6 2.7 -1.3 1.4 6.4 79 60.8 72.0
7 Nate Sudfeld, IND 19.6 -0.5 -0.4 1.9 20.7 116 79.7 71.0
8 Wes Lunt, ILL 5.9 0.0 0.0 0.8 6.6 109 61.3 52.0
9 Clayton Thorson, NW -0.3 4.7 -2.0 0.1 2.6 90 45.8 48.8
10 Chris Laviano, RUTG 6.2 -2.3 -1.4 -0.8 2.0 100 44.7 46.0
RK PLAYER PASS EPA RUN EPA SACK EPA PEN EPA TOTAL EPA ACT PLAYS RAW QBR TOTAL QBR
11 Mitch Leidner, MINN 6.8 -2.9 -5.2 -0.4 -1.7 147 34.8 43.5
12 Austin Appleby, PUR 3.3 -0.5 -4.2 2.4 0.9 156 39.5 40.4
13 Perry Hills, MD 1.0 4.8 0.0 -0.1 5.8 63 62.3 39.2
14 Jake Rudock, MICH 2.0 -0.9 -1.8 -0.6 -1.3 113 34.3 36.9
15 Christian Hackenberg, PSU -1.6 0.1 -4.7 -0.2 -6.4 100 21.3 20.6
Glossary
That includes game against NSU, a glorified scrimmage. Without he is #12.
Playing against 2 of the worst Defenses in the country : Norfolk in FCS and WSU in FBS is not a respectable barometer. Let's see how he does against MSU, OSU, Michigan, etc. hopefully a steady improvement as the season progresses. If not, any Coach with a shred of common sense would give Rettig a chance.
This whole conversation will change decidedly against CL when our record starts looking very ugly as the season progesses. Stats alone without wins are pointless. Show me the stats when we are 2-5. In order to have any measure of success this year we need way more than a game manager. We need a game changer. CL = game manager. HR = possible game changer. Stubborn Mr. Nice Guy will stick with whatever and next year at this time there will no more Mr. Nice Guy at Rutgers.
What helps the running game is not having unblocked DT's screaming into the backfield.
I watched OSU play Northern Illinois this year. In that game, both OSU QBs had performances that made Laviano look like Joe Montana. The Laviano haters here would've wanted to fire Meyer for his horrible recruiting skills at the QB position after that game.
Couldn't like this post because your percentage was off. It would've been more accurate to say 100% of posters on this board.
And I don't care which QB plays - either one is fine with me.
You don't know what you're talking about. Clearly you didn't watch OSU v. NIS. Laviano has yet to play as bad as both OSU QBs played in that game.
KBee it's points you put on the board and W's not statistics. Offense 20 pts WSU. 3 PTS PSU equals PU. Most of those stats are against a terrible 1AA PROGRAM. I really would not toot the horn on his rating in the B1G
His ESPN rating vs PSU was like 28.6. Has high average right now due to 1st 2 games against abysmal defenses.
This thread is hilarious. Let's just say I am very happy to be stuck with our two poor qb's. You are more than welcome to keep any of the qb's on the roster. I have no problem with anyone being a fan of their team but some of you need to get real.
Exactly. The level of stupidity in this thread with people attempting to argue that Laviano is better than the Ohio St. qb's is legendary stuff. We are talking about 2 guys who pushed a 2 time B1G player of the year to WR.
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