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Love Jerry Carino but...

ColonelRutgers

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It really irks me that Jerry and other media attendance-tards ALWAYS post a photo of empty sections at or just before tipoff / kickoff to illustrate the crappy support and NEVER post a follow up photo or wait to people actually get there. That becomes the visual record and it's totally misleading for those that aren't there in person. No, there weren't a lot people in the student section but if he took the same photo 20 minutes later there would certainly be more than 25 people though. Not a lot but more than were there at 11:58 am. And ALL of the reporters do the same thing.

 
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They are all snarky jerks to a certain extent, even the relatively good ones like Jerry
 
Nothing unfair with his question at all. My problem is that the local media guys ALWAYS take one photo and slam fans for not showing up and it's at or prior to tipoff / kickoff when it's guaranteed that no one is there. That's the one photo record of the crowd for all to see and they NEVER take another one when the game is actually well underway. Again, not saying attendance was good - it wasn't but these photos are what people see and they don't reflect actual attendance.
 
A lot going on this weekend with wrestling and football. I wanted to go to basketball game but just too tired.
 
I actually saw Jerry take the picture with his cellphone and I was wondering what the picture was.....it's a combo of all 3 things Jerry mentioned......My opinion: If the PSU game wasn't last night, there's be more students - however not that materially more........
 
There is a reason why the game was free with a ticket stub. No PSU hangover because tickets weren't sold way before today. Chalk this up to 25 years of bad basketball combined with bad scheduling. It will take time to both change the culture of the brand of basketball as well as starting up a fanbase from scratch.
 
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What exactly is unfair about what he said, or rather...the question he asked?

Truthfully he could have taken the same picture of anywhere in the building...
BK...we all have the same thoughts that we wish there were better support and better attendance, and wish it would happen right away. But Jerry should know as well as anyone why we are where we are. It is just unnecessary type of comment at this point in time. Put the cellphone away and go buy yourself a pretzel.
 
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Can't wait for the photo of Wednesday night's pre-tipoff attendance on the biggest travel day of the year.
 
Agree, want to go to game but going to Boston for holiday and will be on road.
 
Its been a long time since the mens basketball program could sellout a 8000 seat arena in a state with over 8 million people.The bottom line is season ticket holders can't be more than 2500.it will take sustained winning against B1G opponents to maybe get the RAC back to its glory days.
 
either way there was under 3K there...we will not see a crowd of 5K plus until Penn State. Students have already proven in the past that they will not show up until conference play starts and the scheduling of this game at noon after a night football game was rough
 
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We've got some tough tip off times too. Saturday noon games, two 6:30pm weeknight games at the end of the year. Good luck getting to those games by tip off in New Jersey traffic. Oh, well. I'll be there anyway.
 
BK...we all have the same thoughts that we wish there were better support and better attendance, and wish it would happen right away. But Jerry should know as well as anyone why we are where we are. It is just unnecessary type of comment at this point in time. Put the cellphone away and go buy yourself a pretzel.

Unnecessary? I think pointing out the deficiencies of fan support for this program is quite valid...there's been almost no negative press around the basketball program since Pikiell got hired. Hard for me to blast Carino for pointing out the obvious. Perhaps it's an effort to raise awareness, as Carino is a friend of the program.

People always make excuses for why things the way they are. If Pikiell and his guys felt that way we'd be 2-2 tops right now.

Dont want pictures of empty stands up on Twitter? GO TELL SOMEBODY...make a difference...go to the games and bring a friend!
 
Why is Eddie Jordan's banner still hanging in the rafters if he was fired
 
Perhaps it's an effort to raise awareness, as Carino is a friend of the program.
Speaking as one media attendance-tard, who takes similar pics when I cover games, that is exactly why I take and Tweet those pics.

I have had coaches thank me.
 
Friday at 1PM is a great day to get to the RAC instead of clogging the mall parking lots.....and you can eat leftovers for dinner after you get home and watch more football or basketball....It's more winning and schedule that matters.....if you schedule more interesting home games consistently in the OOC, these schools around the country would have attendance way up.
 
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Speaking as one media attendance-tard, who takes similar pics when I cover games, that is exactly why I take and Tweet those pics.

I have had coaches thank me.
And you totally missed the point too. The point is NOT taking pics of empty stadiums. It's WHEN they take them. This particular example and particular reporter are not the greatest examples of this practice which is why everyone seems to be falling all over themselves defending it. This is usually a Politi / Sargeant special - the football stadium empty bleacher shot 5 minutes before announced starting time. If they are actually reading this stupid post, I'm sure they'll circle the wagons and post a photo DURING Wednesday's game when there will really be no one there. And if that happens, my bad because I'm sure Coach Pikiell won't be thanking them.
 
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And you totally missed the point too. The point is NOT taking pics of empty stadiums. It's WHEN they take them. This particular example and particular reporter are not the greatest examples of this practice which is why everyone seems to be falling all over themselves defending it. This is usually a Politi / Sargeant special - the football stadium empty bleacher shot 5 minutes before announced starting time. If they are actually reading this stupid post, I'm sure they'll circle the wagons and post a photo DURING Wednesday's game when there will really be no one there. And if that happens, my bad because I'm sure Coach Pikiell won't be thanking them.

Not sure why this is a big deal.

Would you rather a picture have been taken 2 minutes before kickoff on Saturday, or two minutes before the final cannon? Why is it the reporter's job to wait until the "sweet spot" when there are the most fans in the building, which may only last for a short while anyway?

How many fans are there when the team comes out is a decent indicator of fan support. And to BK's point, if you don't like the pictures - try to change the reality of the situation, not the person taking the picture.
 
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Big deal? No. Said it "irked" me which to me indicates pet peeve. Others seem okay with the only photo document of attendance at every game being one that doesn't reflect actual attendance. Pat Hobbs can't give tickets away and I'm going to change the reality? Only wish I had that kind of influence.
 
No offense intended here Colonel, but could you be irked because there's a touch of shame that Rutgers students aren't supporting he team by their attendance? I feel the same way.

People need to stop making excuses. The students just don't care enough (or should I say there aren't enough students that care). How many THOUSANDS of students are on campus, yet can't take a bus ride, or their own car to a game at 6:30......but they will at 7:30????? Traffic????? A football game the night before...was that excitement enough to last the weekend? How many hours of sleep did you need to get? I particularly love the "studying for exams" one. As if for the previous week they were locked in their dorm rooms or the Library 16 hours a day, only taking a break for meals.

Believe it or not, I'm not knocking those students that don't go. Whether it's basketball, football, whatever they just don't care enough to go. Everybody has their priorities. I never went to wrestling matches, or crew meets, but I don't think that makes me a bad person.

The casual fan will show up when we start winning. Games will become a "happening," they'll be more of a "place to be" instead of what they would usually be doing. Been a season ticket holder since the RAC openned, missed maybe a dozen games. They were usually because I was sick or couldn't avoid being wayyyy out of town. Only during Littlepaige did I duck a couple out of disgust.

There are quite a few like me, but my feeling is few of the present students have that passion. And you can't inject them with it. But that's OK. Who am I to tell someone what to like? Their loss. I cherish my Rutgers Basketball fever, the great times I've shared, the memories it has given me and and my family.
 
The problem is that you have an entire student body (freshmen through seniors) that has known nothing but staggering losses and a dreary atmosphere at the RAC. I know it's the same old, same old, but they will need to win and be more competitive to get the atmosphere back before students come back.
 
And you totally missed the point too. The point is NOT taking pics of empty stadiums. It's WHEN they take them. This particular example and particular reporter are not the greatest examples of this practice which is why everyone seems to be falling all over themselves defending it. This is usually a Politi / Sargeant special - the football stadium empty bleacher shot 5 minutes before announced starting time. If they are actually reading this stupid post, I'm sure they'll circle the wagons and post a photo DURING Wednesday's game when there will really be no one there. And if that happens, my bad because I'm sure Coach Pikiell won't be thanking them.
Your point was taking a pic at, or just before, the beginning of the game and not posting a follow-up pic wasn't it?

If so then I got the point.

I post a pic about 5-10 minutes before tip off. I actually started doing it because someone Tweeted at me and asked what the crowd looked like, so I figured there was some fan interest in game time attendance.

I realized that large attendance increases happen at some arenas but I've never covered a game where the attendance changed much during the game.
 
Not really an important picture. There was nobody at DePaul and we were a Big 10 opponent. The fans will come when the word spreads. This team is so much better than the last number of years. It's great to watch them play.

12:00pm on Sunday is not a great game vs. a Niagra. And yes, the psu loss put a lot of people in a shitty mood. I was at the hoops game loving every minute of it. Also at the football game.
 
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