May be stating the obvious but if Mathis & Harper improve their outside shooting by next year, look out, they will be really, really tough to defend. Both drive the hoop, are strong, & finish at the rim.
Mathis & Harper
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Harper will find his touch. Hopefully by the end of the season. Regardless, he will become a dependable shooter for RU soon enough.
Sometime in the next month, I firmly believe he'll have a game in which he nails at least four 3-pointers... and I think it'll be at Michigan State, at Iowa, or in the B1G tourney.
Sometime in the next month, I firmly believe he'll have a game in which he nails at least four 3-pointers... and I think it'll be at Michigan State, at Iowa, or in the B1G tourney.
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He was shooting it better recently and thought that breakout 3 game was about to happen before that 0-7 performance but I agree it is coming... Maybe Saturday
Both need to follow up their 3 point shots more. I Know you have to get back on D after a miss but a lot of their misses front rim or back iron and come right back towards them but their standing still admiring or heading back on D yet as a shooter you know by your shot if it’s coming back your way or not. These are opportunities both these guys are missing and will improve on along with their overall shooting. Both have tremendous upside for sure and this along with their foul shooting will improve and make these kids great to watch for a long time.
Harper has very good form on his 3's. A little flat but I do think he'll eventually be a very good 3 pt shooter. Mathis has almost zero rotation on his shot. He'll have to correct that to be more consistent. Love the way he goes to the hole though.
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If Harper hits an early three he seems to be the most likely player to keep hoisting them. I hope he finds the range and becomes a deadly threat
Mathis should put 90% of his shot practice efforts into becoming a better free throw shooter for now. Worry about the deep ball later.
Sorry but the follow your shot mantra is just bad advice. Outside of bad 3rd grade rec coaches and a few old school dinosaurs you don’t hear good coaches yelling the follow your shot nonsense. One of the keys to good shooting is the release and follow through (watch any great shooter like Curry or Reddick) they almost exaggerate their release and often hold it a split second longer. One the other hand when you push kids to shoot and then immediately chase their shot you’re inviting bad form and bad habits. Your yelling at them so they think that’s important and rush their shot. Yes there are times when you know you’re off and MAY have a chance at beating 9 other players to the ball but that happens much much much less then you think (how many O boards do you think a 3 pt shooter gets a game... 1 or 2 maybe)? Work on your shot and be in better D position is the way to go ... only follow the obvious miss if the situation is right.
His shots seem to always be on line, he just hits the back of the rim 40% of the time. I hope that's correctable.
Harper is a better shooter than he's shown. Mathis, on the other hand will always be an adventure from the outside. I'm actually surprised he shoots as well from the outside as he does. I haven't seen a jumper with so little rotation since Phil Ford.
You are what your stats say you are....until you improve them.
High School results are great, but B1G basketball is almost a different game.
I am not saying he will do better than his current stats say AND the sample size is small. Using data of what he did in HS or practice at some point needs to be taken with grain of salt.
Mike williams was one of my favorite players. hate to say anything bad about him. Is Mike a better shooter than he showed here?
+ you'll likely be subbed out or get an earful from coach for not getting back to stop the fast break layup the other team gets on the outlet.
Harper will improve on his threes. I have watched him over 10 times at Don Bosco in huge games in the TOC etc. I also have seen him in 11 practices this season. He will be much better as he moves along. I was so tired of guys saying he was out of shape and should have been red shirted this year. Those that said that never saw him in person. He is a very good player.
So what distance do you want him shooting at? Makes defending him a heck of a lot easier
Excellent point and something you rarely see in today’s game that was a cardinal rule growing up, “follow your shot”. I agree but Mathis and Harper would and should be doing it more and would likely be very successful doing it . Excellent way to increase our scoring output every game .
Couldn’t disagree with you more. Go watch the Nevada twins that follow their shots better than any current player I have seen. No one is suggesting to not follow through on your form release but you as a shooter are in the best position to know if your shot is off, and if off, whether it is off right or left or short. It was a critical part of basketball years ago and not the stupid stuff you cite about rec coaches but I think even more important today with the three point attempts increase and the long or strange rebounds those shots result in due to the strange caroms .
How ridiculous. Did you just try to compare Curry to Mathis and Harper?. They are presently bad 3 point shooters. Good has not yet entered the equation. Bad 3 point shooters miss a lot of shots that come off with weird angles. Both Mathis and Harper are excellent rebounders and I want both of them crashing the boards and they as the shooter of that bad shot are in the best position to know which way it is coming off the rim.
I guess the point that I'm making is that a reasonable interpretation of your post is that it says that, if two guys suddenly next year become good at this majorly important thing that they are right now bad at, then look out.
Well, yeah.
Eddie Jordan always used to tell the Court Club (there was one member who always would ask why the guys didn’t follow their shots) that he did not want them to do that.
How’s your 3rd grade team doing?
PS - Caleb has 19 offensive rebounds and Cody has 23 in 24 games. How many of those offensive rebounds are from their own missed shots? The number is inconsequential... and you offer these guys as the reason to chuck and chase. Shooters are better off concentrating on the SHOT ... chasing a rebound of their own errant 3 point shot should be opportunistic and not done as a cardinal rule.
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Part of what college coaches are doing is training their players for their future career. For many players at the collegiate level, a future career could be time playing basketball abroad. So yes, I want our coaches to prioritize learning good form while shooting and emphasizing a proper follow through on their shot to increase the chances of it going in rather than immediately running after a shot which could lead to players developing the bad habit of rushing through their shot. This may not help us as a team now, but it will help us later, and it will help these kids later on as they move on to their professional careers.
Who is saying they should not concentrate on Making the shot or following through with their release? I am saying they are missing a lot and are in the best position to see what angle the shot is coming off the rim so go get it. That is sound smart basketball when you have a lousy 3 point shooting team.
I get that you think chuck and chase is a good approach to shooting, but open your eyes. Your example of the Nevada twins as the best you have ever seen at following their shot get less than one offensive rebound a game (and odds are most of them are NOT rebounds of their own missed shot). The numbers alone prove you wrong.
Two additional points, first when your Nevada boys chase their shot and get that fractional rebound (again as good as they are at chasing their shot they average less than one per game) there is less than a 50% chance their team scores as a result of their offensive rebound (based on overall team FG%). You have to see the benefit is quite insignificant even in your best example.
Second, if instead of chuck and chase shooters concentrated on a consistent shooting form and made a few more shots over the season that would easily outweigh negligible benefit of a chuck and chase offensive rebound.
Oh yeah, and you don’t hear coaches at the D1 level yelling follow your shot. BECAUSE IT IS CYO LEAGUE NONSENSE. Square your shoulders, follow through, and get ready to play D OR react to a crazy carom IF THE OPPORTUNITY IS THERE is what these kids should be doing... not chuck and chase.
You are so wrong. 3 point shots have the highest % of offensive rebounds especially with their long caroms. There have been a number of shots our guards or wings have run back too quick and the ball is back to the foul line. Kiss has done this a number of times . Harper already squares and shoots his threes with good form but without enough arc, and is ready to rebound. You think it will hurt his shot anymore if he goes after another one of his misses. He was 0-7 against Illinois and I am not sure if we got any of his misses without
Rewatching them, but one more possession with an offensive rebound might have been the difference between a win or aloss. Stop being so thick , I never said chuck and chase, those are your words. We are a bad 3 point shooting team and it wouldn’t hurt to get some offensive rebounds off those misses and the shooter is in the best position to realize what angle the shot is coming off.
Yawn... keep shouting follow your shot from the stands. You’ll sound like the wanna be coaches at the kiddie games. Your own example to prove your point, the Nevada twins get less than one OR a game, and it’s probably not from their own shot. I tried to help but will agree to disagree at this point.
PS - do you still use 8 track tapes? Go RU
PS - do you still use 8 track tapes? Go RU
A LOT of the follow your shot argument depends upon where the shot is from. For instance, inside the arc, there’s a good chance two men are deeper than you, (a twelve-fifteen foot jumper you probably follow looking to clean up) not on a long three. On a corner shot, more often it’s the guy on the opposite wing who attacks the rebound.
For the time being, I prefer Mathis cut back on 3s and attack the rim. Harper is improving and I think a year of Pike and staffs coaching will make him a decent if not great shooter of 3s. More arc.
Mathis has made some pretty big 3's in crucial situations in Big 10 games. 30 percent in B1G games is not horrible for a freshmen.
IMO, I think you follow the shot if there is an opportunity after a miss. You should always shoot it, follow thru and look at while it approaches the rim. If it bounces off and you a chance, you go for it. If not, you get back on defense. You never shoot and automatically turn and run.
A team like Michigan shoots a lot of threes and they don't crush the boards....I heard an announcer mention that during the Rutgers game.
Precisely, the follow your shot approach should be opportunistic. But there is a big contingent that teach kids it’s a cardinal rule and they develop bad shooting habits early (it becomes chuck and chase). If it’s there, if you can beat 9 other guys to it, and if your defender isn’t leaking out for a fast break, then go for it! It just doesn’t happen very much.
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