. . . the Seton Hall NCAA bid is slowly slipping away. They’ve lost 3 in a row and 5 of the last 7. Just takes a slight edge off my misery as an RU fan.
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Looking at their upcoming schedule, they don't have an easy path.
RPI and Opponent
2 @ Xavier (lost at home earlier in season)
161 DePaul
42 @ Providence
63 @ St. John's (suddenly much more competitive)
3 Villanova (lost badly at Nova)
32 Butler (close win on the road earlier in season)
If they come out of that stretch 3-3, do they make it in at 20-11 (9-9)?
RPI and Opponent
2 @ Xavier (lost at home earlier in season)
161 DePaul
42 @ Providence
63 @ St. John's (suddenly much more competitive)
3 Villanova (lost badly at Nova)
32 Butler (close win on the road earlier in season)
If they come out of that stretch 3-3, do they make it in at 20-11 (9-9)?
Without a doubt, but the question is can we go 3-3 in that stretch? It's looking like an uphill climb.
WIllard has proven to be a very good coach in February in March. So as much as I want to count them out, I won’t .
Deep. It's a great (and deep) league, and they understand that. If the season ended today, the Big East would have two No. 1 seeds (which probably won't be the case at season's end, but you see the point).
That's why I almost have a hard time seeing Seton Hall finish 3-3, especially with no wind at their backs.
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Be right on the bubble. Would probably have to also win at least big east game, 2 would be ideal. But as long as shu wins 1 big east tourney game and plays solid in the 2nd one, they should get in
It would be nice to see SHU just miss the tourney, say by 1 game in the L column.....:)
They are in unless total collapse. Providence is the one who has to worry. Marquette is done.
The curious thing is will St. John’s go crazy and win Big East tourney. If Nova or Xavier play each other are they really playing for anything?
The curious thing is will St. John’s go crazy and win Big East tourney. If Nova or Xavier play each other are they really playing for anything?
A total collapse would be to finish 2-5... which could very easily mean they are out.
Finishing 3-5 (2-4 reg, 1-1 tourney) or 3-4 (3-3 reg, 0-1 tourney) would be a coin toss on whether they're in, I think.
Finishing with 4 more wins across the regular season and/or tournament, and I think they're solidly in.
Finishing 3-5 (2-4 reg, 1-1 tourney) or 3-4 (3-3 reg, 0-1 tourney) would be a coin toss on whether they're in, I think.
Finishing with 4 more wins across the regular season and/or tournament, and I think they're solidly in.
To answer your question, if they go 3-3 I think yes they go. If however they go 2-4 I think they're out. And the bad trend would continue.
I think at 3-3 they are still iffy, unless one of those 3 wins is against X or Nova.
despite their struggles lately and their murky conference mark of 6-6....SHU has some great rpi numbers...26 overall...they have 2 top 25 wins...a very impressive 5-4 vs top 50 and very solid 6-6 vs top 100.
They would likely have to totally collapse..like going 1-5 in league play, I think 2-4 probably puts them right on the bubble and since the BE has so many bubble teams that its not a place they would want to be so that would mean they would likely need a quality win in league play
but do not discount the quality wins..obviously they have a really bad loss losing to 206 Rutgers...that is a nasty stain. Big big plus to them..wins at Louisville and over Texas Tech..plenty of bubble schools will not have these kind of wins.
They would likely have to totally collapse..like going 1-5 in league play, I think 2-4 probably puts them right on the bubble and since the BE has so many bubble teams that its not a place they would want to be so that would mean they would likely need a quality win in league play
but do not discount the quality wins..obviously they have a really bad loss losing to 206 Rutgers...that is a nasty stain. Big big plus to them..wins at Louisville and over Texas Tech..plenty of bubble schools will not have these kind of wins.
Good read on this. Exactly how I see it, anyway. A lot of metrics are in the Hall's favor, but they do have to win some games now down the stretch.
yes...you really shouldnt be worried. Lose to De Paul and then all bets off..but if you beat them and then beat a very good Butler that is another top 50 wins..has anyone school that has 6 top 50 wins been left out of the NCAA tourney..compare their resume to Nebraska who has no top 25 and just 1-5 vs top 50 and you see a wide gap.
also SHU SOS of 27 is another huge positive for them. Remember that how you finish actually isnt a criteria used, Ive seen teams lose 8 of 11 and still get in.
also SHU SOS of 27 is another huge positive for them. Remember that how you finish actually isnt a criteria used, Ive seen teams lose 8 of 11 and still get in.
Don't forget the big east tournament as well. Additional games and additional opportunities to increase rpi and get quality wins
If they go 3-3 and 1-1, at 21-12 yes, but a team that lost 9 of last 16? NCAA takes that into account too. Not just "body of work" like the dumb CFB committee.
I have more confidence of them going 3-3 and getting in the tourney then them actually going 3-3 to end the season.
DePaul and Providence are very obtainable. The other four are tough if St. John’s continues high level. Butler at home could be huge. Then the issue becomes does 2-4 and 1-1 in Big East Tourney get you in? Play in game?
DePaul and Providence are very obtainable. The other four are tough if St. John’s continues high level. Butler at home could be huge. Then the issue becomes does 2-4 and 1-1 in Big East Tourney get you in? Play in game?
no...actually its body of work, not how you finish. Those OOC wins and SOS are much more important than losing 7 of 11. Yes a poor finish and a poor overall conference mark could play into it especially with other BE bubbles around them but generally these are not two catagories the NCAA says they look at (even if I think they do at some point)
The fact that this is even a discussion point is really missed here...leagues have a way to expanding their fields by making sure a bubble team gets in with one last quality win...so while Xavier and Nova are 1 or 2 seeds, neither has any true incentive to beat SHU...I've seen this happen in the Pac 12 and other leagues where one more quality win suddenly happens to seal the deal.
1-5 would be playing themselves out of it...anything more and they are in...
2nd next question is whether this is as good as they actually are....it's not an awful loss to RU, if you are truly a bubble team trending towards the NIT........it's clear now that being ranked as high as 20 to start the season and #13 in December was not reality...probably around a #7 seed or just around the edges of the Top 25 as the ceiling, considering they don't have a PG....
1-5 would be playing themselves out of it...anything more and they are in...
2nd next question is whether this is as good as they actually are....it's not an awful loss to RU, if you are truly a bubble team trending towards the NIT........it's clear now that being ranked as high as 20 to start the season and #13 in December was not reality...probably around a #7 seed or just around the edges of the Top 25 as the ceiling, considering they don't have a PG....
For example: Oklahoma has lost 6 out of 8 and according to the NCAA is currently a four seed.
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