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Take 1 drive out of the Iowa game, and we were shut out there too.
Take 1 drive out of the Washington game, and we were shut out on offense there as well. (Grant scored on a punt)
Same with Illinois, which is the worst of all.
So take out only 3 drives, and our team would have been shut out by Iowa, Illinois, and Washington.
But hey, we scored points against Howard!!!
#pathetic
Take 1 drive out of the Washington game, and we were shut out on offense there as well. (Grant scored on a punt)
Same with Illinois, which is the worst of all.
So take out only 3 drives, and our team would have been shut out by Iowa, Illinois, and Washington.
But hey, we scored points against Howard!!!
#pathetic
if there was ANY signs of improvement as the season went on,I would say keep him,being the offense has gone backwards,time to look elsewhere for a PROVEN power 5 OC.
this Guy:
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this Guy:
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This will be the gem to land ..but will probably follow Tom Hermann wherever he goes..
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In Drews defense, All the players on the team were picked for the "pro style" offense. Also, he has no QB, 1 running back, and no receivers. We need to start seeing improvement next season.
That's not a defense, it's an indictment of a poor coach who is not working with the talent he has. He does not have one running back. Hicks and Martin are fine running backs, the fact that Mehringer has no idea how to use them effectively is an indictment, not a defense.
Still No Reliable QB, and No recievers. This was the first year for this crew. New head coach, New D coordinator, New OC, new system, etc. It takes awhile for the kids to digest all that. Lets see what next year brings.
In those four games, RU had 126 passing yards TOTAL. That's actually kind of hard to believe.
and take out one drive for Iowa, Minnesota, and Indiana and we would be playing for a bowl Saturday. See how dumb that sounds.
What I liked about Friedgen is that when asked what he would do on offense when he was hired he said he had to look at his talent first and then he would decide. Thinking your are helping your future offenses by sticking to a script which is having them get absolutely blown out again and again disqualifies you as a coach in my opinion. Coaches make adjustments. It's part of sport.
Now,that's scary. I had an exchange of greeting cards with Terry Shea when he first came on board.He used the phrase "Keep your eye on the scoreboard,we are going to light it up". De ja vous or what?
No QB, no receivers, and no O line make it pretty tough to run any offense. DM deserves 1 more year. No improvement then yes he should go.
Um, that's offense production vs defense. My point was in 7 games, we've had a grand total of 3 scoring drives. 7 games! And that's scoring drives, not even TD drives.
Iowa game would have been a Tie.
In Indiana game, we got 2 defensive TDs! Only put up a TD on 1 long play with broken coverage and 2 fgs.
In Minnesota game, we also got a defensive TD and defensive FG!
Look at Maryland:
OSU 3 points
Michigan 3 points
Nebraska 7 points
Minnesota 10 points
This is with better skill players. We are in the best conference in the country and played a top 5 team OOC. Cappy teams don't score against elite competition.
Dude, come on.
Maryland beat MSU 28-17. Same team that went 49-0 against us. They got a signature win.
Maryland beat Purdue 50-7. Sure a bad team, but still a B1G team. They also beat a 6-5 UCF team away.
They've had an awful stretch against 3 of the best teams in the country.
As we both know though, comparing teams like apples to apples is pointless.
But Maryland is a team we beat 2 years ago, and should have beaten last year but choked. They are not vastly more talented than us, and we only had a few senior starters move on.
Durkin's got his team playing for a bowl on Saturday and we are not. Likewise, they are roughly 30 places ahead of us in every offensive category.
The Maryland game is huge for this team and Drew. If we can best a team that has a similar rebuild but has performed better, it would mean a lot. If we get trounced, we're in trouble.
Did you consider that we are making adjustments but that no amount of adjustments was going to help at this point? Our staff lacks the experience of a Friedgen, but then again, Friedgen refused to come back a second year.
Love how our fans love to excuse other programs issues away. Here is the thing, every good team they've played has taken them to the woodshed just like us. They happened to catch MSU at the right time. Kudos for them. You think if they played Washignton it would have been different. Purdue? Didn't they fire their coach 4 weeks ago? Both teams are bad. Neither coach has shown a lick against top programs.
So it's ok to pick what drives you want to eliminate? Sounds like the if you eliminate those three long runs we did good crowd. Why is it ok to say it one way but not the other? Well it's not ok to say it for either which is my point.
Um, seems like you are making excuses.
I could care less about comparing Maryland, but fact stands that one team beat 2 big 10 teams and is vying for a bowl slot, while another program is not.
AND Maryland has had far more scoring drives than we have had this season.
Take the Howard game out, and we barely have a touchdown a game. Take the defensive scores (both literally and where our D gave it to us in redzone) and Grants special teams TD, and we're probably in the 3-5 pts per game average actually scored by our offense. AKA offensive production.
That's unreal.
When you're trying to evaluate offensive production, sure.
This is about pure math. Statistically, we are lucky to get 1 scoring drive a game. Per game! Instead of trying to excuse that, can you honestly say you have ever seen anything like that?
Not excuses. Math. If you take out marylands crap OOC, Purdue, and MSU( solid performance)
Maryland is averaging just over 7 points. That's assuming they have no defensive TD's or ST returns. So 2-3 points a game more. Yea, they are killing it
Our offense has been brutal. Heck the season as a whole has been terrible.
If you want to use talent as excuse to take heat off the coaches, OK. But there are zero on field positives to be taken from Mehringer, Ash, Parker, whomever.
That is not encouraging going into year 2.
If you want to use talent as excuse to take heat off the coaches, OK. But there are zero on field positives to be taken from Mehringer, Ash, Parker, whomever.
That is not encouraging going into year 2.
Welp, best part of the RU vs Md debate is, it will be settled on the field soon enough.
Get our butt's handed to us again, and I don't know where we look to for excuses after that.
Im not clear about Oden explanation..so he dosent get the play call to throw the ball because he cant make the read or its his mechanics?? Does not make too much sense to play him if he isnt allowed to have a pass play call at some points of game action.
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Other than the Minnesota game, the offense has been awful in league games. Not sure what some are seeing in Mehringer to actually defend his lack of production. Even Kent St scored 13 against PSU. Bowling Green scored 10 against OSU. RU has worst talent than MAC bottom feeders?
I was thinking same thing. Maybe they figure this season is dead, but they want to get him some reps before trying to cure his passing issues in the spring? I don't know.
Imo, him being on the field and never throwing it, does nothing for his development.
It's also a sign that he does not have much potential at the position. This could also just be bad coaching.
if we just throw out every game except Howard and New Mex we are undefeated and on our way to the playoff.
follow herman or get the houston head coaching job or head coaching job at a smaller school
Oh.. we understand the "not his players" thing. We just think these results are far worse than they should be even taking that into account.
How can the Drew defenders not understand that it is entirely possible that he is incompetent in calling plays and managing personnel?
We understand that if he had Michael Vick and Vince Young and Ohio State's OL and a couple backs from Bama along with a couple future NFL 1st round WRs his offense might not suck. But I expect a smart OC can make his players play ABOVE their expectations.. not far below it. I also expect there to be a few plays that this team can run to perfection by game 11 or 12. That is on the coaching staff that plays we have run all season still fail badly. Either they cannot train personnel to run the play or they keep calling a play that fails. Either way, it is on the OC and the staff.
I remember similar arguments about a Schiano early OC, Bill Cubit. The same arguments took place at the end of his first year. Same attacks, same defenses of his results (which were better than Drew's). Schiano gave him another year.. and it did not help. Cubit got replaced.
BTW.. it could be that this style of offense will not work here in jersey.. maybe we don't have the HS players playing this style. Maybe the weather here makes the passing game portion of this system highly suspect in late October and November.. as it was whenever we went into the wind last Saturday.
When the D can eliminate fear of the pass.. this offense does not work. Consider the Navy triple option. The D must account for everything.. the quick dive, the pitch, the pass, the QB run.. all of those threats are equally likely on any given play. Heck, that's a quadruple option... in the old days the pass was so rare that t wasn't even considered a threat. Navy QB Will Worth has over 100 pass attempts.. about 40% of his runs... and has completed 61% of them... for over 11 yards per attempt. A legitimate threat.
I will leave you with this thought.. how many completions have you seen on 3rd down passes where we were nowhere near a 1st down? How is that not insane? How can we not have pass routes for the required yardage that allow throwing to a spot on a timing route? No read necessary.. just look off the spot where you will throw it to freeze defenders then throw the damn ball. We don't even see such a play ATTEMPTED. You can complain that we don't have the personnel... but it is pathetic to see so few 1st downs on completed passes.
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My totally uninformed guess is that he must have a long slow delivery. He is tall and lanky.. if he has a long wind-up he will get eaten alive with INTs when defenders just sit back and read him. But still, I'd like to see it. I'd like to see what his run threat does to that read time... I suspect his feet will cause defenders to jump forward on stopping him and that will open up receivers and allow such a defect in throwing to be minimized. It is possible that, if he has such a problem, that 3rd and longs with him dropping back could be.. um.. bad. But handle that problem when it shows itself.
Bowling Green is 3-8 in their conference.. and they put up 10 on Ohio State. UCF, Kent State, Temple.. all put up points on the likes of Michigan or Penn State.
This offense is WORSE than it should be.. even if you take the system and talent gap into account. And here's the thing that was brought up again and again under the Flood regime. If you have a boring offense that looks pathetic, what offensive players will want to come here?
If you are a Houston.. and you can lean on HS programs throughout the region who play a variant of the option, you might do okay recruiting to that. As they have. If you are a top program, you can get the talent and force them to play your way. those players want to go to that school, that program, because of the history and the rep earned over decades. We don't have that here at Rutgers. We need to recruit to an offense and defense that excites those kids.
Maybe this system will work. Maybe we can recruit to it... get kids that know the system (possibly because the coaches cannot teach it).. we'll see what happens. Is Ash going to risk seeing another season like this one next year? He came in with a clean slate and could dream up anything he wanted for his vision. The slate is not clean anymore. His vision for the offense is murky at best. I wonder which way he will choose to go.
As far as Jersey having high school players that can play this offense, I went to about ten high school games this year. Most teams I saw this year ran some version of the spread. I think it may be easier for high school coaches to find an athlete to run that offense as opposed to finding an old style pocket passer?
