Men’s lacrosse is 0-6 the last three seasons against UMD and Johns Hopkins. Major steps back this year. This Hopkins team isn’t even that good. I don’t see how we’re going to compete against Maryland or PSU if we looked so bad against Hopkins. Frankly it’s very concerning how we can’t even come close to finding a faceoff guy. This has been a major problem for years not. Not saying Brecht is on the hot seat. But a 7-7 campaign this year and a missing out of the B1G on our own field should make his seat warm going into next season. We have so much talent on offense. Totally wasted. We have one of the best goalies in the country and it doesn’t even matter.
Men’s lacrosse 0-6
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14-6 was last week. They came out this week looking like crap. Oh good, we’ll be hungry next week. That fixes our faceoff problems
No excuse WHATSOEVER for the Shitshow that was the first 35-minutes today. Phenomenal comeback, we’ve GOT the talent, but you just can NOT look lost in an almost must-win conference match.
At what point do we acknowledge the major issues with this team?? People have been sugarcoating bad results for 2-3 years now. This team has a penchant for not showing up when it counts. Lacrosse is a short season, and you don't get to have off weekends. Brecht has been unable to recruit the most important position, and we have been bailed out time and time again by very very good goaltending. Without Max Edleman, this team wouldn't even be in the conversation for post season play. Hungry....lol. They can be as hungry as they want, they aren't making the tournament.
Yes, it has, but he’s right: each of the last 3 (4?) seasons we have dug our own grave (regardless of arguably getting screwed twice by the selection committee) and that’s got to be part of the discussion IMHO.
How is this not fair? I’m not discrediting the wins we’ve had the past few seasons. We’ve had some good ones. But THAT is a huge stat and why we haven’t made the tournament. Beat Hopkins last year and we’re win. Beat Delaware two years ago or Maryland in OT and we’re in. Beat Hopkins this year and we’d be in the driver’s seat in conference. Hey, if we beat Maryland next week I will be the first to praise them. But that’s a very fair stat to bring up. Especially if you’re trying to take that next step up.
And some huge disappointing loses. When it counts the team underachieves.
As well of some massive loses (i.e Delaware after being #1, etc) if we are being fair.
I’m saying the same things I’ve been dating all year long:
Far too often we come out if the locker room, start or half, looking NOT ready to play. It’s glarubgly obvious IMHO and I’ve pointed it out neatly every game (wins as well) and yesterday was arguably the worst example yet. I think it’s safe to say the OSU match is the only game this year in which we’ve played 100% start-to-finish.
Coaching? Could be...but IMHO it’s purely a MENTAL thing and something that plagues MOST of our teams and which I honestly believe needs to be addressed in the off-season by Hobbs (along with several other “mental” team issues). I’ve been talking about it, ad nauseun, for 2 years now and truly believe we need to hire a sports psychologist for our athletic program. We also have this uncanny ability to not be able to step on other team’s throats as well as play down to the talent levels of inferior programs. ALL of these things are mental, and department-wide, but can be overcome.
Brotha I’m not trying to get you upset but let’s be real: we lost other games, ones we fully expecred to and should have won, which cost us dearly:
2016 - Stony Brook (crushed us when we were #16), OSU
2017 - Delaware
2018 - Army, Princeton
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Agreed. Those are games to discuss. Lamenting about dropping games to Maryland at Maryland is not sound discussion.
You watching the team we destroyed last week competing with the number 1 team in the nation on their home field?
We want OSU to lose.
Discussing the losses against Hopkins, and Maryland is fair game. I don’t expect us to win every other year against Maryland. I get AC was out for two seasons. I get “we’re young.” I get all of that. But we can’t talk about making strides and go 0-6 against those teams in three seasons. Not only that, we may have a losing record in the B1G this year for the third season in a row. It’s not a pretty picture, if we’re being honest. It really isn’t. Want to know why we miss the tournament? Because we don’t break through. Last year, we did an excellent job closing out OOC play, but then failed to close out Hopkins in our first conference game. We had control the whole game and Hopkins took it from us. We come so close to putting ourselves in a great position, but then we take a step back.
A moot point now but why would we have wanted OSU to lose? It’s RU’s one ranked win .. we should have wanted them to win to prop it up.
Because we want them to be at best 2-3 in conference so we make the conference tournament over them if we go 2-3 as well
I hear you, but if we're just writing off Maryland and State Penn as losses, why even bother?
To slip in the B1G tourney as the No. 4 seed and get bounced in the semis and avoid the embarassment of hosting the tourney but nor participating?
I know it's unlikely but I'm still holding out hope of going on a run to end the season and getting in the NCAAs.
I see your point. But if we’re being honest with ourselves we just want to get into the B1G tournament at this point and hope for a miracle
So can someone remind me what the compelling case was for extending Brecht this year? This is year 8 and while he has rebuilt the program to respectability and had us close, he still has not made the tournament. The likelihood of that changing this year grows bleaker by the week. Presumably he was rewarded for the initial build with his first extension. I assume we also bumped up the salaries of the assistant coaches given the credentials the new OC and DC had before coming here.
Anyone know how many years he had left on his contract? Was he thought to be underpaid or were we in jeopardy of losing him to another school? I don't recall hearing anything like that. I not advocating a change and believe he has built enough capital to warrant another season without making the tournament but I am wondering about the logic of the extension at this time.
I know this is relatively small potatoes for Hobbs given the football debacle, but I am looking at this mostly from his vantage point and trying to understand why he did not wait to make sure Brian can get us to the next step before adding years. Maybe it is as simple as he, like others on this board, has enough confidence in Brian as the leader of the program, regardless of how long it takes for him to get over the hump.
Anyone know how many years he had left on his contract? Was he thought to be underpaid or were we in jeopardy of losing him to another school? I don't recall hearing anything like that. I not advocating a change and believe he has built enough capital to warrant another season without making the tournament but I am wondering about the logic of the extension at this time.
I know this is relatively small potatoes for Hobbs given the football debacle, but I am looking at this mostly from his vantage point and trying to understand why he did not wait to make sure Brian can get us to the next step before adding years. Maybe it is as simple as he, like others on this board, has enough confidence in Brian as the leader of the program, regardless of how long it takes for him to get over the hump.
^ keep in mind it helps recruiting when a coach gets extended. His buyout would be minimal if the you know what hit the fan. Smart move by Hobbs considering this one was of the few programs winning games. Not saying I’m pleased with the outcome, but this is something you do with Olympic sports
In short, he’s highly thought of and his contract was ending. Other schools were looking at him. And still will be. People would have flipped if he left because Hobbs didn’t sign him.
Of course the assistant coaches were upgraded salaries. They have bigger credentials. The DC in particular. He didn’t fall in our lap. We had to go get him.
Still holding out hope we can beat either Maryland or Penn State. We should, but no gimme, beat Michigan at home. If we do get into the B1G tournament, being at home is a big advantage. Coach needs to lay into them and let them know it was embarrassing first half and unacceptable. I thought it would have been the opposite with some confidence off OSU win to take shots and play a tough D. My perception has been we start out strong and then let the other team come back. Need a complete game against Maryland. Somehow, some way he needs to get these young men fired up.
I’ll be surprised if we don’t give a solid effort against Maryland at home.
Maryland is jeckyl and hyde. They look like easily the best team in the country one week, then pedestrian the next.
They have a lot talent. Their coach, even though he has a national championship, seems to me to keep it reigned in a little bit.
Their big guns are going to get theirs. To me, it’s their supporting cast. When those guys get going they are really tough.
People are scoring in them though, which is atypical of a Maryland team. Their fogo will be a huge challenge.
Maryland is jeckyl and hyde. They look like easily the best team in the country one week, then pedestrian the next.
They have a lot talent. Their coach, even though he has a national championship, seems to me to keep it reigned in a little bit.
Their big guns are going to get theirs. To me, it’s their supporting cast. When those guys get going they are really tough.
People are scoring in them though, which is atypical of a Maryland team. Their fogo will be a huge challenge.
I think we're simply looking at the "clear cut" path into the B1G's right now, that's all (we CAN beat anyone) and, YES, NOT making it - when it's on our home turf - would be quite embarrassing.
Making the tournament is goal 1 right now. Beating. Maryland would go a long way towards that.
Ironically, the D has been a disappointment. Granted Rexrode was a huge loss, but other than Ohio State looks like its been a tough season for them.
IMHO the defensive problems have revolved around the SSDM, due in large part to injuries. The close D has generally been good.
I think there was some early growing pains with the new system. Injuries at SSDM definitely hurt. Specifically Christiano. He missed two games and was limited in at least one more. That kid is invaluable.
Also, our lack of being able to win face offs. We play sooo much D. Really skilled teams, like Syracuse, are going to eventually wear them out, which is what we saw. Conversely, our O would do the same. We just don’t see the ball enough.
Any help on the horizon for Faceoff recruiting wise or is that something that has to be developed from what we have?
Speaking of Syracuse, did you see the box score for their win over Cornell last night? Two straight years they have solved the Jeff Teat problem. He only had 2 assists. I'm not sure everybody has a SSDM capable of replicating what they do, but I'll bet teams are looking at it. They also dominated faceoffs.
All about the fadeoffs. Oddly enough we had a verbal from Cornell’s main guy who flipped and their back was recruited after his performance in the world games where he stood toe to toe with the best guy in the world.
Faceoff recruiting is just hard to project at the college level.
Very good assessment on the SSDM situation...Also agree on the defense getting taxed do to possession challenges...All big factors that have had a major impact on performance (see the last 11 minutes v Syracuse)
However I'd also argue the offense hasn't been consistently good...very inconsistent and at times tough to watch...there have been flashes here and there...but also times when it's non existent and looks fractured IMO...Frustrating is my word for it...
Sunday night should be fun...I'm sitting this one out...I'll watch BTN from the comfort of my home...
Agree on the offense, though I think with Kieran out that really slowed development. Much like the D, I think we suffered a little bit from all the new faces and new system. Certainly more than anyone anticipated. The offense against OSU played their most complete game, and even in the Hopkins loss where we went awol to start, and didn't get the ball all that much, we still put up 14 goals.
Hopefully we get another full effort like we had against OSU and Maryland comes in with their C game. It's a huge opportunity and would be a big win, obviously.
Would love somehow to get another crack at Hopkins...on our own turf.
The offense was very bad in the first 1 1/2 qtrs vs Hop...bad execution, turnovers, bad shots, poor decisions...they share equal or more responsibility for us getting in a 6 goal hole...on multiple occasions...I know I'm being captain obvious here, but getting down 6 in any game generally leads to defeat...
We competed hard through the end so I'll give credit there, but it's also human nature for a team that's up big to fall asleep on focus and let teams creep back in games...I was there...that's what happened...and it almost bit Hopkins...
It's behind us now...see what happens on Sunday night...one thing's for sure, I won't rule out anything...
