MLAX Final Ranking
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Any sport that has it's 13th best team outside of the National Tourney needs to be investigated. When is Hobbs going to start putting legal pressure on those assholes?
Its bullshit and becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. We haven’t won any tournament games in the past so we must not belong in the tournament so we are left out of the tournament, denying us the opportunity to prove we belong. But in the end we keep putting ourselves in this position by losing games we shouldn’t and coming up just short in big games where winning would make it all but impossible to keep us out. If we had beaten just one of OSU, JHU or UMD we’d have been a lock. Hell, probably just beating Army or Princeton may have been enough.
Frequently, Rutgers Men's Lacrosse ends up being the highest ranked team that wasn't given a chance to compete in the NCAA Championship playoffs.
Frequently, there are many teams who end up being ranked below Rutgers Men's Lacrosse who get a chance to compete in the NCAA Championship playoffs instead of Rutgers.
Do the bluebloods want to face sacrificial lambs instead of Rutgers ?
Why are these small committees allowed to perpetuate this injustice ?
How far could Rutgers Men's Lacrosse last in the NCAA Tournament ?
How many decision makers don't want to find out ?
Annual travesty...
There are so many problems with lacrosse.
The RPI is nonsense. The ACC owns the RPI and the outsiders (RU) just can’t get enough high quality RPI games on their schedule. We have games like RMU, Brown, Princeton, Lehigh, and Army on our schedule who unfortunately don’t do much to help our RPI. We have clearly tried to boost our RPI by playing Brown(2016 final four team) back to back years. Unfortunately they haven’t held up their end of the bargain. Then teams like Yale and Cornell pop up out of nowhere and it hurts us because our copetitors got lucky and scheduled them.
Margain of defeat does not matter. Syracuse went 4-5 out of conference. Sure they lost to good teams (Albany, Hopkins, RU, Navy, and Cornell), but they got absolutely destroyed by Albany and Hopkins. RU also had complete control in the second half of our game. Anyone who watched our game could see we were the better team. Doesn’t matter though, because Cuse has a solid RPI. It has actually gotten to the point where all an ACC team has to do is show up and play top teams and they are in the tournament. It makes no sense and frankly I don’t think anything can be done.
The RPI is nonsense. The ACC owns the RPI and the outsiders (RU) just can’t get enough high quality RPI games on their schedule. We have games like RMU, Brown, Princeton, Lehigh, and Army on our schedule who unfortunately don’t do much to help our RPI. We have clearly tried to boost our RPI by playing Brown(2016 final four team) back to back years. Unfortunately they haven’t held up their end of the bargain. Then teams like Yale and Cornell pop up out of nowhere and it hurts us because our copetitors got lucky and scheduled them.
Margain of defeat does not matter. Syracuse went 4-5 out of conference. Sure they lost to good teams (Albany, Hopkins, RU, Navy, and Cornell), but they got absolutely destroyed by Albany and Hopkins. RU also had complete control in the second half of our game. Anyone who watched our game could see we were the better team. Doesn’t matter though, because Cuse has a solid RPI. It has actually gotten to the point where all an ACC team has to do is show up and play top teams and they are in the tournament. It makes no sense and frankly I don’t think anything can be done.
Interesting. Any clues on which conference? Ivy? ACC? BE? I'd love to play Cornell or Yale.
We did not finish well. That's on us.
Anytime the real decisions are based on subjective reasoning, you are primed for things like this. Didn't the committee say something about not using "the eye test"? How can you not use what you are actually seeing? As fans, we are always using our eyes a lot more than raw stats when a game is in progress.
How about taking a hard look at the BIG itself? How much influence do they REALLY have? Does the ACC have more? Just how hard did they fight for RU to get in?
Until this program either wins the league/tournament outright and eliminates the subjective, it may well just be the prettiest girl not invited to the prom year after year.
Anytime the real decisions are based on subjective reasoning, you are primed for things like this. Didn't the committee say something about not using "the eye test"? How can you not use what you are actually seeing? As fans, we are always using our eyes a lot more than raw stats when a game is in progress.
How about taking a hard look at the BIG itself? How much influence do they REALLY have? Does the ACC have more? Just how hard did they fight for RU to get in?
Until this program either wins the league/tournament outright and eliminates the subjective, it may well just be the prettiest girl not invited to the prom year after year.
Duke makes perfect sense with their HC having ties to RU. I'd be happy with either team though. Wonder which team we dropped...was the Brown series only a home and home and that series expired?
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Uva is a bunch of soft cocks. We had a 4 game series agreed to and they backed out after 2. The team that went to the B1G finals would have been year 3 of the series. Think that game wouldn't of helped? Instead we got a late minute cancellation and had to schedule NJIT I believe.
So...F UVa.
You think it might be Duke instead? With Dobrowski I could see it and it would be a fun series. Also is the Brown series over? Was it just a home and home?
I'll find out. Duke would make more sense from the Acc. We have no relationship with Unc and after Uva grabbing their ankles, I can't see the administration being too excited to play them again. ND is possible, but I don't see it for a couple of reasons I'd rather not get into.
We've played Duke in the past, and Dino is a Loyal Son. With our ascension, it's a win/win. That game helps both of us, and Duke seems to recruit NJ a lot (like most schools). And we definitely recruit NC. So I'll say Duke if it's an Acc team.
From the Ivy, we've played Yale in the past. We scrimmaged Cornell every year for well over a decade.
I'll find out though when I get a chance.
We've played Duke in the past, and Dino is a Loyal Son. With our ascension, it's a win/win. That game helps both of us, and Duke seems to recruit NJ a lot (like most schools). And we definitely recruit NC. So I'll say Duke if it's an Acc team.
From the Ivy, we've played Yale in the past. We scrimmaged Cornell every year for well over a decade.
I'll find out though when I get a chance.
Yale would be intriguing. I haven't discussed schedules with anyone yet so no clue on this one, but another team I'd like to throw in is Albany.
Coach Brecht has ties to Yorktown High School, where Marr is from. And that is a close knit group. Wouldn't shock me if Albany was on the schedule.
I know Brian is always looking to upgrade the schedule. Unfortunately, it's a lot harder than people realize, though it is getting easier with our resurgence.
Coach Brecht has ties to Yorktown High School, where Marr is from. And that is a close knit group. Wouldn't shock me if Albany was on the schedule.
I know Brian is always looking to upgrade the schedule. Unfortunately, it's a lot harder than people realize, though it is getting easier with our resurgence.
I think it's better to send Vinnie and Tony to visit them with an offer they can't refuse. Jersey style.
Heard from a poster here who would know, but he wasn’t 100% positive. Sounds like the team. I won’t steal his thunder but we all missed it.
I don’t know who we have played in the past.... but process of elimination I’m going with Loyola, Bucknell, or Georgetown? You don’t have to answer, but I hope we find out soon
If/when I hear directly from the source, I will post. It's not really a national secret, or won't be. Just don't want to post info. I am getting 3rd hand, as the person who told me wasn't 100% sure himself, but it sounds like it. It's a great add if so. Wonder who we will drop in place.
Slowly but surely we are getting back to the schedules we had under Coach Hayes, which were always top 5 in the country I'd think. Very challenging.
Slowly but surely we are getting back to the schedules we had under Coach Hayes, which were always top 5 in the country I'd think. Very challenging.
I can confirm. It's Loyola. At HPS in 2019.
They will be very tough. A real contender early for the NC. Their whole attack is back, including Pat Spencer, who most would say is the best player in college lacrosse. He's a treat to watch. They are a run and gun team. Will be a fun game. Gotta think it's very early in the season, which will be interesting to see how the weather plays a role.
Gotta respect Coach Brecht's hustle. He will play anyone. With what he has built the program into, these other top tier programs now want to play us too.
They will be very tough. A real contender early for the NC. Their whole attack is back, including Pat Spencer, who most would say is the best player in college lacrosse. He's a treat to watch. They are a run and gun team. Will be a fun game. Gotta think it's very early in the season, which will be interesting to see how the weather plays a role.
Gotta respect Coach Brecht's hustle. He will play anyone. With what he has built the program into, these other top tier programs now want to play us too.
I wonder which team we dropped for them...Brown I guess? So next year's schedule probably looks like this:
Home: Loyola, Lehigh, Princeton, Army, Maryland, OSU
Road: RMU, Cuse, Fairfield?, Hopkins, Michigan, PSU, St. John's, Delaware?
Anyone know if the Brown, Delaware and Fairfield series are still going on? I think Fairfield for sure as we owe them a road game, not sure about the other 2.
That would've been a tough road game next year. A bit disappointed they were a one and done. So I guess UDel and Fairfield are still on the schedule (UDel likely will be ranked next year, and Fairfield is usually respectable for a mid major).
Max Edelmann granted extra year of eligibility will return to RU next season!!!
Honestly, it sucks. We were that team 4 years ago that was just dangerous to beat teams, but had no cache when you do so. It's just how the game is played now. It's better to lose to a highly ranked team than it is to beat a lower ranked team.
Robert Morris is a tough, dangerous team. They will be good next year. I said after we played them this year that they are very good team. They were better than some of the other, higher profile teams. I think we saw that play out over the year.
But we don't make the rules. Playing Loyola is a huge upgrade in RPI and perception. Loyola will be a top 5 team to start out the season with a world of expectation. Our schedule is going to be very, very tough.
I know. Hopefully the kids we brought in step their game up at the FO. If you ask me to build a lax team, I would get elite goalies and elite FO men and work my way up from there.
There are a number of good points brought up in this thread, margin of victory being ignored in calculating the RPI in particular IMHO, but what's missing is the elephant in the room. The AQ's to teams that are not even in the Top 25 do more to keep quality teams out of the tournament than any other single factor.
Since the NCAA is dead set on including these lesser conferences, perhaps the way to go would be to guarantee these conferences a spot in the tournament but not an AQ to the conference tourney winner.
Since the NCAA is dead set on including these lesser conferences, perhaps the way to go would be to guarantee these conferences a spot in the tournament but not an AQ to the conference tourney winner.
It did. Still, F them.
Ierlan leaving Albany is a massive blow. I am certain we will kick the tires, but I wouldn't expect to see him On the Banks. Every school wants that kid.
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